To continue the conversation:

@ Lisa:  Per your note that “all RDDS requirements for ccTLDs are Unstandardized/Unenforceable”, I think I might be missing your point, and hope to clarify ~

i. Speaking to “Unenforceable”, we seem to be in consensus that all RDRS participation is strictly voluntary, and that any ccTLD participation would also be voluntary.  

ii. As for “Unstandardized”, is this to suggest that the lack of standardization is preventing ICANN from determining whether/not a ccTLD request is associated with a participating registrar?  It was my understanding that the initial lookup done at the start of a RDRS request is always capable to determining the registrar, regardless of whether it’s gTLD or ccTLD.  Is that incorrect?  

iii. What LOE would it be to run the initial domain query as you already are, but only “error out for ccTLD” reasons if the query does not successfully identify a participating registrar?

@ all:   Having heard from a small # of ccTLD operators a desire to participate in RDRS,

i. Would voluntary ccTLD participation in RDRS help provide us lessons that might be factored into consideration of whether/how ccTLD voluntary mechanisms might be employed in a SSAD/ successor systems?

/ps - added below an edit to the initial email, w the critical clarification “ccTLD”

From: Andrews, Gabriel F. (STB) (FBI)
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 10:51 AM
To: gnso-rdrs-sc@icann.org
Subject: Email thread for discussing voluntary inclusion of ccTLDs

Hi all –

Noting the desire to “clean up” the impressions document, I hoped to shift from a margin comment conversation to an email conversation for the specific issue of whether/not RDRS can pass requests to participating registrars regardless of whether/not the domain is a ccTLD.

Below are pasted the original feedback topic, and the subsequent margin comments. 

I will next respond to my own email (this) to continue the discussion, but wanted to make a clean break before adding anything new.

Cheers,

G

Gabriel Andrews

11:33 AM May 22

Pinned for further discussion.  Existing RDS/WHOIS queries provide this information a non-zero % of time - is this intended to say technical staff can't guarantee to have the info 100% of the time?  Clarity sought.

Anonymous

8:38 AM May 30

In other words:  what other info does ICANN tech staff think is needed in order to route the request to the registrar as is done in gTLD contexts?

Anonymous

8:39 AM May 30

Additionally:  PSWG is hearing from some ccTLD operators their desire to voluntarily participate in RDRS, which may assist in solving any challenges.

Lisa Carter

9:03 AM Today

Just an FYI that RDDS requirements for ccTLDs are Unstandardized/Unenforceable as there is no contract for ccTLDs with ICANN.