Pardon me for failing to send regrets. I went to bed early and missed the meeting. Thanks to all for the wordsmithing of the problem statement and new redline.
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Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP WG
Dear All,
Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call
held on Wednesday 17 August 2016 at 05:00 UTC.
Mp3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-17aug16-en.mp3
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
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Kind regards,
Nathalie
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday 17 August
2016
Nathalie Peregrine:Dear All, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group call on Wednesday 17 August 2017 2016 at 05:00 UTC.
Nathalie Peregrine:If you wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator the password RDS, OR click on the
telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your AC mics. Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not speaking.
Nathalie Peregrine:Agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/ZgisAw
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All
Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Maxim and Stuart!
Chuck Gomes:Hi all.
Alex Deacon:hello everyone...
Iliya Bazlyankov:Hello all
Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome everybody!
Fabricio Vayra:Hello
andrew sullivan:I sent regrets for this meeting, and I bet I won't last
Chuck Gomes:1 more minute
Susan Kawaguchi:Good evening!
andrew sullivan:I've a meeting at 10:00 my time (it's 1:00 here) that I chair
andrew sullivan:so I will probably drop early. So more regrets :)
Nathalie Peregrine:Thank you Andrew for bringing this to my attention, we will mark you as present regardless of the duration of your attendance :)
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):8am
andrew sullivan:@Nathalie: it's good to know that even if I flake out I am some sort of participant ;-)
Fabricio Vayra:We hear you, Alex.
andrew sullivan:The only worry I have about this is the suggestion that those who are outside the enumerated list are still part of the "some entities" who
have the anonymity and privacy requirements. Who are these others? But I don't care to much about this
Fabricio Vayra:Looks good, Alex. Thanks for all the hard work (you and the drafting team)
Beth Allegretti:+1
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):are they secret stakeholders?
andrew sullivan:Jim is asking basically the worry I have
Lisa Phifer:the WG is tasked with defining the purpose of the RDS, not just reviewing it
andrew sullivan:ok, now he's really hitting what I'm worried about it :)
Fabricio Vayra:valid point, Alan.
Fabricio Vayra:and good points, Andrew
Stephanie Perrin:I think we all worry that each document we come up with becomes super important in that adjudication process. I would agree with the concern
about this one in particular.
Marina Lewis:Based on our discussions in Helsinki, I believe this problem statement was meant as a tool to aid in our discussions, not a constraint.
Fabricio Vayra:+1 Marina
Alex Deacon:in the sub group we called it an executive summary of the charter. its not meant to change/modify the charter.
andrew sullivan:Very helpful, Chuck, thanks. It might be useful to say something about working goal, like what Rod just said. Thanks
andrew sullivan:And again what Alan is saying: rough principles of operation, not rules
Lisa Phifer:suggested text: Note that this problem statement is meant as a tool to aid in discussion, consistent with but not a constraint on the Working
Group and its Charter.
andrew sullivan:+1 Lisa
andrew sullivan:also +1 s/us/wg/
Jim Galvin (Afilias):Ok Chuck.
Jim Galvin (Afilias):The changes that Lisa (apologies if it was someone else) made address my first concern. Specifically, changing "the aforementioned"
to "other" does it for me.
Jim Galvin (Afilias):"meet the needs" -> "meet the needs, as described further below,"
andrew sullivan:Key thing for me: the "meet the needs" part has working priority to the tech choice
David Cake:'better meet the needs'?
andrew sullivan:I believe this is consistent with charter
Marina Lewis:@Stephanie - I think this was meant as just colorful intro language. I don't read so much into this. Again, this is a tool and we are constrained
by our charter.
Alex Deacon:We must not however set policy that will limit future and now unknown users/innovation/etc.
Alan Greenberg:We are going to have to balance a lot of competing needs. We will NOT meet all the needs by definition.
Stephanie Perrin:Exactly Alan.
Alex Deacon:s/users/uses/
andrew sullivan:I expect Jim's approach will work
Stephanie Perrin:Ditto
Alan Greenberg:We are taking a clean concise statement and not adding bumps on to it to make sure that no one will misunderstand. THAT is why I wanted confirmation
that it would not be used as a hammer later on.
andrew sullivan:And we don't need to hammer out text real time -- could be a list edit
Stephanie Perrin:+1 andrew
Stephanie Perrin:No, looks good
Lisa Phifer:the requirements determine the need for a new policy framework - technology decisions then follow policy
Stephanie Perrin:At the risk of sounding like a former bureaucrat, I would like to add "to the extent possible" at the end of the third paragraph.
Stephanie Perrin:Rhetorical flourish which is giving me heartburn....
andrew sullivan:agree with delete the "existing and &c"
Marina Lewis:We can lose the "excision and ever evolving Internet" if that's too problematic.
Lisa Phifer:posslble alt text for first sentence: tasked with defining the requirements for and (if appropriate) policies associated with...
Marina Lewis:"existing..."
Stephanie Perrin:+1 to DNS
Jim Galvin (Afilias):Yes
Marina Lewis:I'm happy with that first red-line comment as is.
andrew sullivan:yeah, sorry, couldn't edit in vox well on demand :)
andrew sullivan:something like what I see. Thnaks
Fabricio Vayra:+1 Lisa and Alex
andrew sullivan:+11 (a lot in geek terms!) for great work
Alex Deacon:Many thanks to the other members of the sub-group who all contributed to this proposed version.
andrew sullivan:completely agree this is happpening now, and the right thing is to make that better
andrew sullivan:FSVO "better"
andrew sullivan:for the transcript: I'm very sorry I've been careless about stating my name. It's andrew sullivan.
andrew sullivan:when Chuck calls on "andrew"
Nathalie Peregrine:Thank you Andrew
andrew sullivan:I agree completely with Rod here that it's already a use case, but this offers a plan.
Kal Feher:Under data elements the data is @registration. if an update has been made since registration, should that information also be collected?
Lisa Phifer:admin contact is often the party you need to reach for domain name renewal, transfer, purchase, etc
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):on the investigation to be done before asking LE to look into the case
Stephanie Perrin:exactly
Alan Greenberg:We are not regulating web hosters, but we are providing core Internet infrastructure that will impact all parts of the Internet...
Fabricio Vayra:+1 Alan
andrew sullivan:I think that Rod is making the fine distinctions I think would help
Tjabbe Bos (European Commission):+1 for the excellent use case
Lisa Phifer:@Andrew - this is where the EWG's purpose-based contacts came from, to unpack the overloaded tech/admin contacts in today's WHOIS
andrew sullivan:not inconsistent with what Alan and Stephanie said earlier (incl in chat)
andrew sullivan:and completely agree with Lisa
Fabricio Vayra:Thanks, Rod
Kal Feher:the data here combines a mix of things a Registrant will explicitly tell a Registrar about and data that will be derived from their behaviour (IP
addresses, their system creds)
andrew sullivan:if you are to have a website, who your hosting provider is is not PII
Fabricio Vayra:+1 Andrew
Kal Feher:your creds at that hosting provider should be tho
andrew sullivan:@kal: I should hope so.
andrew sullivan:keep in mind that any reputation service automatically means that those with _good_ reoutation win
Marika Konings:further details on visa requirements are expected to be posted shortly.
Fabricio Vayra:thanks ... zzzzz
andrew sullivan:bye!
Kal Feher:perfect time
Fabricio Vayra::)
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all
Marina Lewis:good night/morning everyone!