We need to find balance and a
constructive way to propose solutions, not this endless
back and forth of edge cases.
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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 4:44 AM
To: Volker Greimann <
vgreimann@key-systems.net>
Cc:
gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
+1 to Volker
Spot on, we cant let the criminals endanger all
innocents life by default expose data as we do today
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Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med vennlig
hilsen
Benny Samuelsen
Registry Manager - Domainexpert
Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar
IANA-ID: 638
Phone: +46.42197080
Direct: +47.32260201
Mobile: +47.40410200
> On 10 Feb 2017, at 10:41, Volker Greimann <
vgreimann@key-systems.net>
wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Pivoting off domain whois is my #1 valued
resource in cybercrime investigations.
> Judging from the amount of abuse and spam out
there, it is also the #1 valued resource of spammers,
cyber criminals, nigerian princes, domain slammers ,etc
etc.
>
> And that leads to the question: Is it really worth
giving up the private data of all registrants to whoever
wants it just to catch a few bad guys?
> And to answer that: I'd rather see a few criminals
uncaught if that means the innocent majority will be
that much less at risk to be victimized.
>
> Best,
> Volker
>
>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 12:16 PM,
benny@nordreg.se
<
benny@nordreg.se>
wrote:
>> Dnsservers, domainstatus, various dates,
Registrar
>>
>> None of these data are personal data imo
>>
>> The only info you see in Whois are the contact
ID the user have at
>> the registrar/ registry
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 9 Feb 2017, at 18:10, nathalie coupet <
nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Benny,
>>>
>>> All personal info on personal domains are
hidden by default. What are the info that remain
available for public view - after personal information
have been hidden by default - which still enable
technical operability?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nathalie
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2017 11:46 AM, "
benny@nordreg.se"
<
benny@nordreg.se>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe not but there are nothing who prevent
us from trying to protect people from there mistakes and
stupidity and still be able to have certain level of
technical operability with whois data.
>>>
>>> A good example are .se which have a whois
policy where all personal info on personal domains are
hidden by default. The registrant need to opt out of the
privacy actively by making a decision. That might be the
way we should think instead of what to do to hide data.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med
vennlig hilsen
>>>
>>>
>>> Benny Samuelsen
>>> Registry Manager - Domainexpert
>>>
>>> Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar
>>> IANA-ID: 638
>>>
>>> Phone: +46.42197080
>>> Direct: +47.32260201
>>> Mobile: +47.40410200
>>>
>>> On 09/02/2017, 17:38, "
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org
on behalf of Greg Aaron" <
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org
on behalf of
gca@icginc.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Is ICANN (or anyone else) responsible
for protecting Spicer from himself? A lot of the
articles about this subject point out that Spicer was
neglectful and occasionally incompetent.
>>>
>>> Here are some facts to consider:
>>> * Privacy protection was available and
Spicer didn’t obtain it. That was his choice.
>>> * Spicer agreed to have his data
published in WHOIS. So that was either OK with him, or
he didn't read the terms of service in his domain
registration agreement. Either way, it was his choice.
>>> * Spicer tweeted out his own Twitter
password. He's responsible for that.
>>> * Spicer himself published his email
address in many, many public places over the years. A
simple Google search will tell you what his email
address was.
>>> * Those data breaches that Volker
mentions have nothing to do with domain registration
data. They did not reveal domain registration data.
Domain registration data didn't allow hackers to
penetrate Dropbox, LinkedIn, and MySpace, and the other
places where Spicer's credentials were lost over the
years. Bad corporate security allowed those breaches to
happen.
>>> * Spicer has a very different risk
profile than the average person. He's been a prominent
PR and political operative for many years (and is now
working for the most scrutinized entity in the world).
A key tenet of risk assessment is that exceptional cases
may not justify making rules that affect everyone.
>>>
>>> All best,
>>> --Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
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[mailto:
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 4:28 AM
>>> To:
gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org
>>> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of
public whois
>>>
>>> As we tend to get lost in the thick and
nitty gritty from time to time, this recent article
should remind us what we are working for:
>>>
>>>
mashable.com/2017/02/07/sean-spicer-who-is
>>>
>>> also here:
>>>
>>>
http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-brings-attention-wh
>>> ois-privacy/
>>>
>>> While it could not have hit a nicer guy,
he completely and accurately followed policy and look
where it lead. Hi private address and telephone number
as well as email address known to the world, other
domains he registered for himself and his family
published, etc. As his email address was compromised in
no less than three leaks (plus one honorable mention on
Wikileaks), and he recently tweeted his password, it may
even be possible to dig deeper.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps remind folks that
getting private data out of the public view is a good
thing.
>>>
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