Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 and Adobe Connect recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on Tuesday, 14 February 2017 at 17:00 UTC. MP3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-14feb17-en.mp3 Adobe Connect Recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p8cl9zjxi06/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=35164ca55b0b4325 1de3126b2595278b4418e8a455ee85906e150b73fd5ffb72> https://participate.icann.org/p8cl9zjxi06/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/ Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/dpDRAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri --------------- AC Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG Tuesday, 14 February 2017 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Tuesday, 14 February 2017 at 17:00 UTC Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_d pDRAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ dpDRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpC IgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=b0ktG-GEwIrfdrUG1D_fMJTiWmtf5U6zzyBrGhpHfD k&s=sUxQiclqRj4G2R92kF5p7PJTDp7QHMqCZn1FPoQG0ds&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=b0ktG-GEwIrfdrUG1D_fMJTiWmtf5U6zzyBrGhpHfDk&s=sU xQiclqRj4G2R92kF5p7PJTDp7QHMqCZn1FPoQG0ds&e= Maryan Rizinski:Hello Terri Chuck Gomes:It is taking a long time for an operator to join me on the call. Do we need to initiate that process earlier so that we sound check speakers on the agenda? Terri Agnew:Hi Chuck, I will alert the op Theo Geurts:Thanks Terri Marika Konings:Hope all is fine Chuck!! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All Theo Geurts:'lo Benny / Nordreg AB:sorry for being late Stephanie Perrin:Sorry for being late, we had a conflict with our Intercessional meeting. Farell FOLLY (Africa 2.0):BTW Stephanie, we need to find out a way next time...( I totally missed that Intercessional meeting) Theo Geurts:oops Terri Agnew:finding the line Stephanie Perrin:Let's talk offline Farell....remote participation has been a struggle. Terri Agnew:muting the line Stephanie Perrin:In many ways the COnvention 108 shares similar problems with the COE Cybercrime Treaty. Hard to get people to sign, hard to get implementation, but both are truly needed right now Terri Agnew:@Stephanie, we are unable to hear you, please check your mic on your side Terri Agnew:let me know if a dial out on the telehone would be helpful Stephanie Perrin:Did someone mute me cen trally when that loud noise happened? Alex Deacon:thanks Chuck. Terri Agnew:@Stephanie, no, your mic was unmuted but we were unable to hear you. Terri Agnew:Stephanie is now on the telephone audio. Lisa Phifer:Marc, that is still a question that must be addressed in our charter - draft statement is included in our working document for when we get back to it Andrew Sullivan:the problem with "_the_" purpose of RDS is that different people have different needs Theo Geurts:Agreed Andrew, that makes it complex Stephanie Perrin:The purpose has to relate to ICANN, not the needs of every stakeholder who shows up at ICANN. Andrew Sullivan:perhaps we could start, as I think Jim Galvin has suggested, by whittling down what purposes we're going to embrace at all Fabricio Vayra:Counter balance: Article 29 WP 217 Opinion 4/2014 Article 7 requires that personal data shall only be processed if at least one of six legal grounds listed in that Article apply. In particular, personal data shall only be processed (a) based on the data subject's unambiguous consent; or if -briefly put -processing is necessary for ... (e) performance of a task carried out in the public interest; or (f) legitimate interests pursued by the controller, subject to an additional balancing test against the data subject's rights and interests. Andrew Sullivan:if it's just to support registration and technical operations, the scope is way smaller Michele Neylon:yup Theo Geurts:yes Andrew Sullivan:So, if we started at that layer (call it "minimal operational requirement"), we could make progress Fabricio Vayra:or if we started at a task carried out for public interest (safety, security, etc) maybe a different result. Fabricio Vayra:point being, this isn't one sided Andrew Sullivan:but such a task is not actually required to make Internet go, whereas the min op req is Alex Deacon:...or we start with the purpose defined by the EWG. I find it easier to start with something concrete and progress from there vs. starting from a clean slate. Andrew Sullivan:@Alex: except we haven't moved from this baseline yet, and my inner engineer gets itchy Fabricio Vayra:+1 Alex, which is what we all agreed in Helsinki. And, recognizing there are nuiances in the purpose requirement (exceptions and balancing tests) Lisa Phifer:Refer to draft working document, sections 2.2 and 2.3 for list of proposed purposes for collection and the draft statement of purpose for the RDS. These are still our working documents to progress. Marika Konings:See also https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_t iW4Aw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ tiW4Aw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpC IgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=b0ktG-GEwIrfdrUG1D_fMJTiWmtf5U6zzyBrGhpHfD k&s=3-PBl9VpsdQX7BfN2C-WMg1Ubz65z9c2_mjT1kMZHK0&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=b0ktG-GEwIrfdrUG1D_fMJTiWmtf5U6zzyBrGhpHfDk&s=3- PBl9VpsdQX7BfN2C-WMg1Ubz65z9c2_mjT1kMZHK0&e= for latest draft of statement of purpose. Alex Deacon:Thanks Stephanie - that is helpful. Lisa Phifer:See https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_p 4xlAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ p4xlAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpC IgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=b0ktG-GEwIrfdrUG1D_fMJTiWmtf5U6zzyBrGhpHfD k&s=8NhI1Wz15t0jstjfdweeoZaAU9LLdxSBRjU5fZzTY7I&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=b0ktG-GEwIrfdrUG1D_fMJTiWmtf5U6zzyBrGhpHfDk&s=8N hI1Wz15t0jstjfdweeoZaAU9LLdxSBRjU5fZzTY7I&e= for the current working document, which contains in it the draft statement of purpose for the RDS in section 2.3 Alex Deacon:Thanks for the reminder Lisa :) Jim Galvin (Afilias):I will continue to state my preference for a minimalist statement of purpose, i.e., +1 to @andrew. I am open to discussion and evidence that are other purposes are necessary, at which point I may change my mind. Jim Galvin (Afilias):I do not believe that legacy existence of a purpose is a reason to continue to support it. Andrew Sullivan:agree w/ Jim, but also the TM case seems to me to conflate access and collection Jim Galvin (Afilias):I believe that Copyright and Trademark conflate access (secondary usage of data) with collection based on the primary purpose. Andrew Sullivan:for TM, there is no greater collection req than that needed to make registration at all. for registration requires a registrant. Michele Neylon:I need to drop off Jim Galvin (Afilias):If there is more data that copyright and TM need that is not already collected, then it would help me if someone could explain why ICANN has a central role of any sort in copyright and TM enforcement. Alex Deacon:@jim - its not clear to me we have defined a primary purpose yet...have we? Andrew Sullivan:+eleventy to Jim Stephanie Perrin:we have not, in my view, but we have started Jim Galvin (Afilias):@alex - we have not made a decision as a WG, correct. We have a draft statement, linked by Lisa above, and we are still discussing boundaries. Fabricio Vayra:agreed Farell FOLLY (Africa 2.0):agreed Alex Deacon:It seems we can't make much (any?) progress until we agree on a purpose. Theo Geurts:yep Andrew Sullivan:It is almost always true that one doesn't know what to do if one knows not why :-) Peter Kimpian:UN Special Rapporteur on right to privacy also accepted our invitation Jim Galvin (Afilias):@alex - I agree. I believe that a statement of purpose will drive if not define all other questions that need to be answered. Stephanie Perrin:I would like to volunteer, and I have 8 pretty good questions already. Terri Agnew:Next week: GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group teleconference will take place on Wednesday, 22 February at 06:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Alex Deacon:are these questions to be asked during the session? Or submitted to the planning committee for this session? Stephanie Perrin:It would only be decent (and more productive) to provide the questions in advance. They are not experts in this area Andrew Sullivan:obv better to submit in advance without that being a restriction Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all Nathalie Coupet:bye Andrew Sullivan:bye bye Theo Geurts:Thanks useful