Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 05:00 UTC. MP3: <http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI...> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-21sep16-en.mp3 The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/WxKsAw Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday 21 September 2016 Nathalie Peregrine:Dear All, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG Meeting on Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 05:00 UTC. Nathalie Peregrine:If you wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator the password RDS, OR click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your mics. Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not speaking. Nathalie Peregrine:Agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/XQK4Aw Nathalie Peregrine:A reminder to please sign into the AC room with your first and last names, as they will be taken for attendance purposes Chuck Gomes (RySG):Hello everyone. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All andrew sullivan:Apologies in advance that I will almost certainly have to drop early Nathalie Peregrine:Thank you Andrew, noted. Vaibhav Aggarwal:namaskar Vaibhav Aggarwal::-) Vaibhav Aggarwal:yes Michele Neylon:trying adobe connect via ipad - I might drop back to phone only ... Nathalie Peregrine:noted Michele Neylon:the irony of me not having an internet connection is not lost on me Lisa Phifer:I think the point is individual data elements versus all data elements (as a whole) Alex Deacon:I may be over thinking it.... Lisa Phifer:can you repeat the proposal Chuck? Fabricio Vayra:+1 Beth Allegretti:+1 Alex Lisa Phifer:example of a service related to data elements might be WhoWas or RWhoIs Michele Neylon:+1 andrew sullivan:I don't get why rwhois is an example. (Just a quibble -- we don't need to debate I don't think) Alex Deacon:Maybe we can put that phrase in square brackets and revisit it after we dive into the specific purposes ? Michele Neylon:they're not "core" Michele Neylon:i'd agree with Jim andrew sullivan:rwhois _is_ core in any thin registry. it's the RDS protocol in that case andrew sullivan:but anyway, not a critical point andrew sullivan:I don't care which kind of registries we're talking about andrew sullivan:we surely don't want this to be tightly wound around other policies Michele Neylon:I don't think the "type" of registry is relevant Michele Neylon:we are assuming they're all treated the same Jim Galvin (Afilias):[[and services related to them, if any. ] Holly Raiche:Why is the RDcollected by registrars under the RAA not covered - or haveI missed something Lisa Phifer:Note that proposed edits are listed in Notes Pod at right Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we assume that privacy proxy works the same way like now? Holly Raiche:okay - hanks - ys yes - this is about what is collected in the relationship beween registrars/registries Holly Raiche:And add - relationship between registrars/registries and ICANN andrew sullivan:@Maxim: why does that matter? The privacy proxy stuff all happens on registration side Fabricio Vayra:Suggest that Steve Metaltiz's points from last call be incorporated into "overall goals" Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the reason - in case of P&p registry see only generic words about most data Michele Neylon:Maxim - huh? No you don't Michele Neylon:the only data that is changed is in relation to the registrant Jim Galvin (Afilias):The issue with privacy/proxy is whether or not we write the policy to say that we have to know who the registrant is or whether it is an access point. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Jim +1 Fabricio Vayra:First, having a list of purposes / accommodating multiple purposes. Second something that can be communicated readily to registrants and others. And third, something that you can use to establish a relationship between the stated purpose and a proposed or actual use. andrew sullivan:@Jim: it seems to me that that policy is not possible, for the very reasons that proxies can't possibly be regulated away despite what people would like andrew sullivan:and there's been a complicated set of rules about that andrew sullivan:I think we're talking about access to registration data as in the registry Holly Raiche:@ Jom - Is that connected to your earlier question - are we asssuming that we are alking about access - to a tiny bit -to a lot - of data, but not no access a all? andrew sullivan:worrying about data that is _not_ in the registry is asking for scope creep of indeterminate size Holly Raiche:Sorry - @Jim Michele Neylon:We spent about 2 years on privacy / proxy policy - we shouldn't be trying to re-open that Jim Galvin (Afilias):@andrew - that's what I think and why I'm concerned about the phrase "services related to them". Holly Raiche:Agree with Michele - PLEASE don't reopen Michele Neylon:the IRT for PPSAI is kicking off now but the policy has been decided Fabricio Vayra:@Michele, since when is spending a bunch of time on something a bar to reopening it (just saying --- see present case). Michele Neylon:lol Fabricio :) Fabricio Vayra::) Michele Neylon:bloody lawyers :) Daniel K. Nanghaka:I agree with it Holly Raiche:Agree with it Vaibhav Aggarwal:+1 Michele Vaibhav Aggarwal::-) Fabricio Vayra:+1 Alex and Steve Lisa Phifer:See prerequisites v, vi Fabricio Vayra:good call, Lisa Alex Deacon:Yep - I see that now Holly Raiche:I'm happy with them where they are Fabricio Vayra:agree with Alex's initial thought as goals Lisa Phifer:To communicate purpose(s) of the RDS to registrants (and others) Lisa Phifer:yes, suggested tweak to move from prereq to overall goal Alex Deacon:I think that would do it. Alex Deacon:Thanks Lisa.... andrew sullivan:Apologies that I must drop now Lisa Phifer:Similarly, move vi. to e. To establish sufficient relationship between purpose(s) and use of the RDS Beth Allegretti:+1 Alex Fabricio Vayra:+1 alex Sara Bockey:Apologies but I need to drop as well. Great discussion and thanks all. Lisa Phifer:Proposed text is now: e. To establish sufficient relationship between the purpose(s) and the use(s) of the RDS Kal Feher:I'm ok with with the move. but I don't feel strongly one way or another Fabricio Vayra:I believe that wat Steve pointed out goes to the actual statement of purpose Fabricio Vayra:+1 Steve Fabricio Vayra:+1 Alex Lisa Phifer:How about "the system that may collect, maintain, and/or provide access to... Vaibhav Aggarwal:sale and purchase of Whois data is illegal right ? Michele Neylon:illegal where? Vaibhav Aggarwal:everywhere Fabricio Vayra:Illegal why? Michele Neylon:it's not "illegal" Michele Neylon:There are plenty of businesses who trade in it Vaibhav Aggarwal:then why registrars cannot solicit business for swomen Ng that data Fabricio Vayra:Michele buys and sells data all the time Vaibhav Aggarwal::-) Michele Neylon:Fabricio - I do? Vaibhav Aggarwal:this is an ICANN directive Michele Neylon:what is?? Vaibhav Aggarwal:oh Vaibhav Aggarwal:soliciting business using Whois data Vaibhav Aggarwal:chuck since u r verisign can assist me here please on this perception that I may have Michele Neylon:Verisign doesn't have whois data Vaibhav Aggarwal:chuck is Rysg so I asked Holly Raiche:It's a great time for Sydney Kal Feher:Vaibhav you appear to have your mic on Vaibhav Aggarwal:so if the data is open then where is the question of privacy? Fabricio Vayra:That woul be unfortunate, Michele Vaibhav Aggarwal:then the SOP needs to clearly state this that this pro is expecting a change in the policy Michele Neylon:Fabricio - it shouldn't be an issue Michele Neylon:Vaibhav - Fabricio was trolling a bit Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:somebody should mute Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Vibhav, please mute Fabricio Vayra:you heard it here first, Michele/blackknight sells PII Vaibhav Aggarwal:it is illegal worldwide Vaibhav Aggarwal:especially in the U.K. and USA Vaibhav Aggarwal:right Vaibhav Aggarwal::-) Holly Raiche:Maybe email the culprits? Vaibhav Aggarwal:ha ha ha Michele Neylon:we're criminals now I think Vaibhav Aggarwal:I am more than happy to actually partner up with them Vaibhav Aggarwal:partners in crime ;-) Fabricio Vayra:thanks! Vaibhav Aggarwal:the WG of a few naughty children I'm AKS Fabricio Vayra:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Vaibhav Aggarwal:ha ha ha GD bye Patrick Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Now coffee