Dear All,
Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Data call held Wednesday, 18 October 2017at 17:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/fZREB
MP3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-18oct17-en.mp3
Adobe Connect recording: https://participate.icann.org/p1ck9gxntzv/
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Kind regards,
Terri
Adobe Connect chat transcript for 18 October 2017:
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Data on Wednesday, 18 October at 17:00 UTC for 90 minute duration
Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_fZREB&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=GpYeFynHuNV9kWoU0NtOVWAdAgKFgZljjw8kkcSB51E&e=
Kathy Kleiman:Great, tx Terri!
George Kirikos:Hi folks.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All
Kathy Kleiman:Terri, we may want to delay by our usual two minutes to allow more people to join.
Terri Agnew:thank you Kathy
Paul Tattersfield:Hi everyone
Cyntia King:Hello beautiful people!
Philip Corwin:hello all
claudio:greetings!
Griffin Barnett:I have an SOI update, which you can view here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_gnsosoi_Griffin-2BBarnett-2BSOI&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=80KhOJa5buiMfJ7gXjQZTejJqMhx3iWCnlA2BW075Ag&e=
David McAuley:I am now on adobe as well
Phil Marano:I owe an SOI update, and will make it now, then send a link to the list.
J. Scott:i am here
Terri Agnew:if assistance is needed logging into your GNSO SOI - send an email to gnso-secs@icann.org for assistance
Jon Nevett (Donuts):Congrats Griffin and Phil!
Griffin Barnett:Thanks Jon
claudio:Is there value in also meeting with the Sub-Pro WG leadership, since our charters are interrelated?
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we expect URS reps during the meeting?
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):3 providers already
Jeff Neuman:I am not sure how many attendees will actually have epxeriences with the URS (other than perhaps contracted parties implementing it)
Philip Corwin:@Maixim--by URS reps do you mean from the three providers?
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Philip, yes
Jeff Neuman:Are there 3 providers of the URS?
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_urs-2D2014-2D01-2D09-2Den&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=ggjo0vLMQrB79T-XCpAb4s2367K1KX20pLcEMBfE8Rc&e=
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the first is the most popular
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):but all three are fully qualified
Philip Corwin:Yes--NAF, ADNDRC, and a provider in Italy name of which escapes me at moment -- but NAF has handled about 90%
claudio:can also consider inviting WIPO (even though they aren't a current provider)
George Kirikos:3rd is MFSD
Mary Wong:@Jeff, at the moment, yes, three (ADNDRC, MFSD, FORUM)
George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__newgtlds.icann.org_en_applicants_urs&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=WC_Ikju691j9YNB-9IFyK4RpxPX_TT39a4N7RyPQxMY&e=
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):MFSD srl, Italy
Mary Wong:2 of the 3 URS providers have reps who are members of this Working Group.
claudio:thanks, Kathy!
Jeff Neuman:The first one has 30 cases or so (Asian Dispute Resolution Centre)
Phil Marano:Here is a link to my updated SOI: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_gnsosoi_Phillip-2BVincent-2BMarano-2BSOI&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=_XRhq0ycVmM_UMGh9jSPadgS2l-V1qJpaCt6plORtco&e=
Berry Cobb:ADNDRC 31 ADR Forum 709 MFSD 12
Berry Cobb:as of June 2017
Jeff Neuman:The second one (MFSD) has 10 cases? https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__urs.mfsd.it_urs-2Ddisputes&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=OVV_CVIMtA7zs9aNZyuI3fLku-S8pev9IZM04_SqDdU&e=
Jeff Neuman:Thanks Berry
George Kirikos:14, Jeff.
Jeff Neuman:What is the link to the NAF decisions?
George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.adrforum.com_SearchDecisions&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=HFNZ9kqMAJj9yCQbspF6D3xkiL_FKNvcdqjk6nbJDxs&e= --- select URS as the Ruleset
Philip Corwin:To clarify, are the times noted in item 1 of the Notes for ICANN 60 meetings local time in Abu Dhabi or UTC?
Paul Tattersfield:Are the GNSO leadership currently generally pushing all working groups to be more timely?
George Kirikos:766 cases there, as of now.
Berry Cobb:@Phil - Local time to AD.
claudio:one URS case had over 400 domains suspended: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.circleid.com_posts_20161223-5Fheres-5Fthe-5Flargest-5Furs-5Fcomplaint-5Fever-5Ffiled_&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=mjXnXJRhqLMxoe99yVGUdhle3k1PF6sk17EI2QU4YFE&e=
Jeff Neuman:Thanks George. Not too user friendly
Philip Corwin:Thx Berry
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):not many people know that there could be more than 1 domain per URS case
Terri Agnew:next meeting: Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Data Friday, 20 October at 16:00 UTC for 60 minute duration.
Jeff Neuman:So 7666 cases right, not names
George Kirikos:@Jeff: if you use UDRPSearch.com, and search for "URS" as the text, it'll capture the URS cases (along with some false positives)
Jeff Neuman:766 not 76666
George Kirikos:Right.
Berry Cobb:The Monday session will provide these types of details similar to how we review the Sunrise data at last week's meeting.
Michael R Graham:SubTeam -- Although I do want actively participate, because of work pressures and the fact I will not be attending the Abu Dhabi meeting, I cannot volunteer to help chair.
Michael R Graham:@Mary: Who are the members of the team again?
Ariel Liang:Members of the Sub Team: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_fY1EB&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=PYgokmd5u7O093INT-yo6kkYVt5zN0WjfjezfLnRYBs&e=
Berry Cobb:Kurt Pritz 2 Kiran Malanchandruvil 3 Kristine Dorrain 4 Lori Schulman 5 Michael Graham 6 Rebecca Tushnet7 Susan Payne
George Kirikos:Bye folks (just came for the first part of the call). Have a great day.
Cyntia King:Staff is capable - let's do it.
Jeff Neuman:Technically ICANN staff should not be chairing (even as interim)
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):flip the coin method?
Terri Agnew:everyone can scroll themselves
Mary Wong:Document is unsync'ed
Jeff Neuman:yep
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I see the document
Paul McGrady:Straw Horse was formally adopted by 100% of the community in JoBurg. :)
Mary Wong:Thanks, Paul - I remember now!
Jeff Neuman:SOme still use Straw Bunny
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):desiging the RFP with the particular provider does not look very transparent
Mary Wong:@Maxim, that's not what I was saying, apologies for not being clear.
Mary Wong:I was just saying that if people have suggestions for likely providers, we can make them aware of the RFP.
Susan Payne:Maxim, I don't think the RFP would be defined with the provider - the survey would be
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Mary, I understand that, I hoped for discussion with set of providers and not limit to the only one
Jeff Neuman: am confused....what happened to the original questions we did?
Mary Wong:@Jeff, the Charter questions are in Attachment 1
claudio:I don't think i can see the document for some reason
Mary Wong:@Claudio, try logging out and in again
Jeff Neuman:Not the charter questions, the questions submitted to the Council?
claudio:ok, thxs!
Mary Wong:@Jeff, can you clarify? The document is what was submitted to the Council (including Attachments 1 & 2).
Ariel Liang:@Claudio, you can also access the data request document online directly here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_rpm-2Dsunrise-2Dtrademark-2Dclaims-2D07sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=K251j_PKD0zo679Udc81yCwCXvgjkzGfwZAZvupVlAE&e=
Mary Wong:@Kristine, that is exactly what the Council had in mind, I believe.
claudio:that worked, thanks Mary
Jeff Neuman:So the "Purpose and Scope" comes from the previous attachments?
Mary Wong:@Jeff, if you mean the description of this item on the agenda, then, yes - based on the Council's discussion and directions.
Susan Payne:sounds good
Kiran Malancharuvil:I printed it out too Michael! :)
Mary Wong:@Jeff, I stand corrected - you're probably referring to Attachment 2 headings. Yes, that is right - based on the Charter questions.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Q14 needs to contain recent clarifications from Nielsen, including breakdown of costs
Jeff Neuman:I agree with Michael....this is too difficult with lots of references
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Good point, Michael, I see now that the questions themselves, in Attachment 1 aren't actually sorted in Attachment 2.
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I support actually sorting the Questions in Attachment 1 by recipient.
Mary Wong:Thanks, Michael and Kristine - staff can add that third column as requested.
claudio:agree on need to sort
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Willing to give it a go while we await a chart. We don't need to lose time.
Mary Wong:Keep 'em coming Susan :)
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1 to the actual question column
Cyntia King:+ Susan
Mary Wong:What Susan is suggesting is basically what the staff suggestion of a "straw [insert thing of choice]" was - it will really be useful, at the end of this Sub Team exercise, to have a starting set of questions for the professional to work with.
Susan Payne:ah thanks Mary - and apologies, I missed the straw bit!
Susan Payne:isn't that what we'r4e doing Kathy?
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes, that's what we're doing.
Susan Payne:if we don't give guidance to the survey providers what we get back risks being not as relevant as possible and so costing more/being a waste of money
Cyntia King:From experience, professional pollsters requst clients to provide lots of solid context. In this way questions generate the most meaningful responses.
Mary Wong:@Cyntia, yes and thanks - that is what we are hoping the Sub Team can provide.
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:yes, some questions are a little squishy.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think the most important bit is to make the questions to be clear enough so non-members of this group can understand those.
Paul Tattersfield:+1 Maxim
Cyntia King:+1 Maxim
Michael R Graham:@JScott -- Agree totally. Thanks for clarifying what I was trying to say.
Mary Wong:OK, thanks J Scott
Cyntia King:Pollster will want context - they won't need (or even want) us to write out the Qs ourselves.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 @J Scott , I think the people who can properly translate those questions to human language are members of our PDP WG
Cyntia King:I must 'duck out'for about 15 mins. Will return afterward.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Q 8 is better to work with Computer Science students & Law stundents (programming knowledge and knwoledge of intellectual property law )
Berry Cobb:and GDD, and Compliance, and existing RPM vendors like IBM/Deloitte where we need a data refresh (not just Berry).. ;-)
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):going to IBM with request with Q8, part 1 will double the budget
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I reffer to page 9 of the shared document
claudio:that was helpful mary
Berry Cobb:@Maxim - The arrangement between IBM,Deloitte/ICANN allow for that and thus far we do not forsee additional costs unless there is something extraordinary that the WG seeks.
Steve Levy:Sorry folks, need to jump off. Thanks for letting me sit in.
Berry Cobb:@Maxim, but you are right, in that specific ask could be extraordinary. We need to perform additional due diligence and requirements.
Michael R Graham:@Mary and Subteam -- I agree we focus on 1-6. Staff to create column 3 and Subteam members to review Qs and whether they require clarification for Survey Org and/or draft Column 4 suggested/possible questions tailored to survey target.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Berry, it is a programming idea, quite outside of the current TMCH design and I am sure that it will be seen as a separate item with "additional development costs", when all you need is a bunch of CS students
Mary Wong:@Michael, yes, Column 4 (when done) will be what the vendor will be given as guidance (along, of course, with consultation, calls etc.)
claudio:@maxim, you may be right, but no harm in asking IBM to confirm , right?
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@claudio., the most important thing will be to remember that it is going to be "IBM costs" , and might not be relevant to others :)
Mary Wong:Got it, J Scott
Susan Payne:I'm happy with that approach
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes
Mary Wong:We will have the updated table ready for the Sub Team call this Friday. The task division can then be discussed on the call.
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Can I get a clarification on the time of the call on Friday? The last email I have says 1400, but Mary mentioned 1600 earlier.
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I ask because I think I have a conflict at 1600 this week.
Philip Corwin:Just one pre-departure
Berry Cobb:@Kristine - I have 16UTC on Friday
Mary Wong:1600 UTC
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:OK, I clearly missed something.
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I will see what I can do.
Susan Payne:yes
Kiran Malancharuvil:I'm okay with this way forward
Mary Wong:Will do, J Scott.
Cyntia King:Go Team!
Mary Wong:That's exactly what we were going to do, Michael :)
Mary Wong:Great minds etc. :)
David McAuley:great minds indeed
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:thanks everyone.
Michael R Graham:@Mary -- Twins from different mothers -- at least in thinking.
Philip Corwin:Excellent work running this call, J Scott
claudio:thanks!
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:thanks for stepping up J Scott!
David McAuley:good bye all
Susan Payne:excellent, thanks J Scott
Ariel Liang:thanks everyone