I have no insights as to why this trademark owner chose the URS instead of

the UDRP, but certainly the filing fee for this URS case (as I noted in my

blog post) was much less than a UDRP complaint would have cost. At the

Forum (where this URS complaint was filed -- and where the same trademark

owner has filed previous UDRP cases), the filing fee for a URS case with

more than 50 domain names is only $500; by comparison, the Forum doesn't

even publish a fee schedule for UDRP cases with more than 16 domain names

(and the UDRP filing fee for a complaint with 15 domain names is $2,250).

Clearly, the UDRP filing fee would have been many times more expensive than

for the URS case. Since trademark owners often consider costs when

evaluating enforcement options, I suspect this may have been a factor.

Doug

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From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org]

On Behalf Of Jon Nevett

Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 2:31 PM

To: Marc Trachtenberg <trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>

Cc: gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>

Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History

Thanks for sharing Phil and Doug.

This case is an interesting data point of a brand holder deciding to use the

URS over the UDRP. We developed the RPMs with the hope that brand holders

would utilize the RPMs that made the most sense to them to protect their

brands. The URS was developed for slam-dunk cases of infringement. We

wanted to create a quicker and less costly way to take down infringing

domain names. There was a deliberate distinction between the standard of

proof and remedies with the URS and the UDRP. If these distinctions didn't

exist, there would not have been a purpose for the URS. It would be

interesting to understand why a brand holder like this one selected to use

the URS over the UDRP -- and especially whether they understood the risk

that Kiran mentioned.

Look forward to the discussion at the appropriate time.

Best,

Jon

On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:13 PM, <trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>

<trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com> wrote:

How does one decision signify whether a particular RPM is under, over, or

appropriately utilized? I think this can only be determined / analyzed in

the aggregate.

Best Regards,

Marc H.Trachtenberg
Shareholder
Greenberg Traurig, LLP
77 West Wacker Drive
Chicago, IL 60601
Office (312) 456-1020
Mobile (773) 677-3305

On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Jonathan Frost

<jonathan@get.club<mailto:jonathan@get.club>> wrote:

I have to agree with Reg here. One argument I've heard against URS

working is that it is underutilized, and cases like this seem to undermine

that argument (although no single case or outcome should be considered

dispositive).

Jonathan

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From:
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[mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Reg Levy
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:35 PM
To: Kiran Malancharuvil
<Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com<mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmo
nitor.com>>
Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History

My point was that a matter was successfully brought under the RPMs (my

point would stand for matters unsuccessfully brought under the RPMs). That

cybersquatting exists is not in dispute. Nor is it our-or ICANN's-job to

cause cybersquatting to no longer exist. The matter was a URS, which was a

new-to-new-gTLDs RPM and (supposedly) cheaper than the UDRP.

If this does not signify that RPMs work, does it signify that they do not?

Reg Levy
VP Compliance + Policy | Minds + Machines Group Limited
C: +1-310-963-7135
S: RegLevy2

Current UTC offset: -8

On 3 Jan 2017, at 10:30, Kiran Malancharuvil via gnso-rpm-wg

<gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> wrote:

Agree with Doug and Marc, I would be curious to understand the thinking

further.

Also, it will be interesting to see what happens to all of these names

when the suspension period is over.

K

Kiran Malancharuvil
Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)

Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.

On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:27 AM,

"trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>"

<trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>> wrote:

Agreed. How does one large URS filling indicate that the RPMs are working?

Best Regards,

Marc H.Trachtenberg
Shareholder
Greenberg Traurig, LLP
77 West Wacker Drive
Chicago, IL 60601
Office (312) 456-1020
Mobile (773) 677-3305

On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Doug Isenberg

<disenberg@gigalawfirm.com<mailto:disenberg@gigalawfirm.com><mailto:disenber

g@gigalawfirm.com>> wrote:

As the author of the blog post that Phil shared, I disagree with Reg's

conclusion below (and am quite unsure how that conclusion was reached).

This URS case is interesting because its size makes it unusual (and, indeed,

unprecedented). It is not indicative of any trend about RPMs in general or

the URS in particular. If anything, it is a reminder that there are many

domain name registrants - even in the new gTLDs - who continue to engage in

cybersquatting on a large-scale, despite the RPMs such as the URS.

Sincerely yours,

Douglas M. Isenberg
Attorney at Law

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From:
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ilto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>
[mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Reg Levy
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:56 PM
To: Philip S. Corwin
<psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com><mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>>
Cc:
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rpm-wg
@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History

Which seems to indicate that the current RPMs are working.

Reg Levy
VP Compliance + Policy | Minds + Machines Group Limited
C: +1-310-963-7135
S: RegLevy2

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On 3 Jan 2017, at 09:34, Phil Corwin

<psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com><mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>> wrote:

FYI, on December 21, 2016 NAF suspended 474 DN variants of Ashley

Furniture in a single URS filing.

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