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Hi Scott,
If there were greater safeguards to ensure that registrants were*actually* properly served with the complaint, and had ample time toretain counsel and prepare a response, that might be something toconsider.
i.e. the 3 biggest reasons for a respondent default are:
1. egregious cybersquatting, where the case is unwinnable (I'd callthis "active" default, since the respondent is making the activechoice to not defend the dispute),2. they never received actual notice of the complaint, and3. they received notice of the complaint, but couldn't prepare aresponse in time
If we can take care of #1, while properly protecting against"inadvertent" defaults in scenarios #2 and #3 (i.e. prevent those frombeing gamed by complainants), then my concerns would be reduced.
The panelists would still need to scrutinize the complaint's evidenceand arguments, though, and not simply accept it "blindly" (i.e.evidence and arguments sufficient to pass the minimum pleadingrequirements that would pass the UDRP's 3-part test; some complaintsare entirely deficient, so shouldn't be accepted if the other sidedoesn't show up).
Sincerely,
George Kirikos416-588-0269
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Scott Austin <SAustin@vlplawgroup.com> wrote:Thank you George, excellent points. You may also want to consider adding atrue default rule (as in the courts and TTAB ) to that list to avoidpanelists becoming public defenders or engaging in judicial activism tochampionv no-show respondents.
-------- Original Message --------From: George Kirikos <icann@leap.com>Date: Sat, Aug 20, 2016, 9:19 AMSubject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications
To participate in a new gTLD sunrise period, a TMCH markholder mustsubmit a proof of use, see question/answer 2.2 through 2.4 of:
The justification for that requirement was to prevent gaming. Thisrule was established before sunrise periods even came about for newgTLDs, as folks expected abuse if the proof of use requirement did notexist (and they saw what happened in the .EU sunrise).
The same principle should apply to the UDRP, given the *actual* abusewe're observing, as folks exploit gaping loopholes in the policy. Inthe 1990s, the drafters of the UDRP either did not contemplate thesekinds of attacks, or did not appreciate the potential severity of theproblem. To not eliminate those loopholes would invite further abuseof domain name registrants.
We're not at that disussion point yet, but when we get there I willsuggest going much further than simply using "proof of use" forstanding requirements of the UDRP. If there was an actual lawsuit,it's almost a certainty that revenues generated by the trademarkedgoods/services would need to be presented to the courts. If UDRPcomplainants had to file audited financials relating to actualrevenues generated from their mark, that would go a long way toeliminating abuse of the procedure by trademark trolls.
Sincerely,
George Kirikos416-588-0269
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Paul McGrady <policy@paulmcgrady.com>wrote:While I think this subject is several months premature, and I don’t wanttowade in on the substance at this time, we should note that what is beingsuggested here is that ICANN give preference to certain national trademarkregimes and disregard others. Tricky topic in ICANNland for sure,especially these days.
Best to all,
Paul
Paul D. McGrady, Jr.
On Behalf Of Edward MorrisSent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:53 PMTo: Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications
Excellent point, Phil.
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On 20 Aug 2016, at 00:49, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
This suggests to me that all trademarks are not created equal, and thatwhenwe reach our UDRP work we may wish to address the issue of whether acertainquality of trademark should be required for filing a UDRP.
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On Behalf Of EmilSent: Friday, August 19, 2016 5:44 PMTo: Paul KeatingSubject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications
Paul, thank you for appreciating my concern.
I am very pleased to see that I can bring value in this exclusivecommunityof professionals.
In the last 12 years I've seen a lot of cases where legitimate SMEs getbullied with the "we'll get your domain" threat based on abusive TMregistrations, mostly postdating the domain name registration dates. Insomecases I am very familiar with the patterns - as in how relativelyestablished website owners try to game the system - concrete ways.
This is a major problem in certain countries of Europe (eastern block) andoutside Europe (countries like Tunisia let's say) where you cantheoretically register any trademark even if it is not necessarilydistinctive, special nor recognizable.
On 20 Aug 2016 00:15, Paul Keating <Paul@law.es> wrote:
This and comments such as George's should not be lost. These commentsneedto be retained and specifically addressed during the UDRP portion of theWG.
From: <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Emil <emil@cv.ro>Date: Friday, August 19, 2016 4:30 PMTo: George Kirikos <icann@leap.com>Cc: <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications
George, often TM registrations are granted on bogus or strange claims. Forexample Christian Louboutin was granted a TM for red shoes outsole. Bythislogic BMW could be granted a TM for silver cars.
In the domain world:There is a car rental company called economycarrentals.com. They tried toobtain a TM at European level for "economy car rentals", a super genericterm used by thousands of rental agencies. Why? So that they can claimeconomyrentacar.com and economyrentalcars.com in WIPO - the EMD of theirmain competitor.
They were refused (now twice) an EM Europe Wide trademark for lack ofdistinctiveness but went on and tried at country level. A handfull ofcountries allowed them to register a word (not figurative) trademark on"economy car rentals" a dictionary super generic formulation. Now theywillthreaten & hussle with a WIPO arbitration all the local TLD owners forthoseparticular countries.
Emil
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