George,

It appears you have concluded that the "success" of Sunrise is measured on the number of registrations on a per TLD basis, irrespective of the total number of Sunrise-eligible TLDs or the cost per Sunrise registration. 

At the same time, you cite to the 1 cent give-away domains in new gTLDs as evidence that cost does matter (along with usage, and other factors). 

I admit, I'm not clear on why you think cost matters in one context, but not the other.

Hopefully, I've established that there are other ways of analyzing this topic that are not unreasonable. I suggest we continue the discussion on the Sunrise subteam, where these issues are being examined in closer detail.

Thank you for your input and feedback.

Best,
Claudio



On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 PM George Kirikos <icann@leap.com> wrote:
Claudio:

Costs of a sunrise also scale as you increase the number of gTLDs. Are
new gTLD registries paying on a per domain name (variable cost per
domain name) only? Or are there fixed costs too? Are sunrise periods
(which delay launch of GA) shorter, if there are more TLDs? Or are
they fixed in length? Are there equal amounts of "good" domain names
in those new gTLDs, or are the gamed sunrise domains representing a
higher proportion of the "good" ones, as one scales?

If 1,000,000 new gTLDs are launched, clearly any sunrise period is
*pointless*, as TM holders are going to focus nearly entirely on
*curative rights.* That was my point --- they're *already* doing that,
shifting to curative rights, by decreasing their usage of sunrise
periods. Thus, the costs of eliminating sunrise period are lower,
because of that reduced usage (or, in other words, the benefits of
retaining that sunrise period are low).

That's why it's time to sunset/eliminate the sunrise period mandate --
it outlived its usefulness as a tool, as the numbers show. It's only
there to "shear the sheep", so to speak (i.e. soak TM holders who are
highly risk averse, and don't know any better; i.e. bad insurance,
like the folks who buy those electronics "Extended Warranties").

As for those 1,000,000 new gTLDs, realize that if sunrise was
eliminated, there'd also be 1,000,000 landrushes --- any brandholder
that had coveted a name could still get it, on an equal playing field
with everyone else, instead of jumping ahead of the line.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
416-588-0269
http://www.leap.com/



On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:24 PM, claudio di gangi <ipcdigangi@gmail.com> wrote:
> George,
>
> I'm going to use an extreme example to illustrate my point.
>
> If 1,000,000 new gTLDs are launched in the next round, how many Sunrise
> registrations do think there should be order to reach the "success"
> threshold?
>
> Best,
> Claudio
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:50 PM George Kirikos <icann@leap.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:44 PM, George Kirikos <icann@leap.com> wrote:
>> >with stats propped up with high counts of sub-$1
>> > registrations, or even domains that are stuffed into the accounts of
>> > registrants of other TLDs (e.g. .xxx with NSI, or .kiwi).
>>
>> Sorry, that was a typo. It should have been .XYZ with NSI, of course,
>> not .XXX, e.g.
>>
>> http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/lowdown/2014/dailyposts/20140605.htm
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> George Kirikos
>> 416-588-0269
>> http://www.leap.com/
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