Hi,

From my perspective, these objections are unfounded. 

Both subteams were open to anyone who was interested in joining and participating. I think it's fairly safe to say that nobody is completely satisfied with the final language (I know I am not...). But the wording was nonetheless the result of exhaustive debate among the different stakeholders around the table. It's not that the suggested amendments are being "reflexively" rejected, so much as there is an understandable resistance among the participants who showed up to hammer out these contentious issues against restarting the same discussion all over again. If we continue to re-litigate every sentence to try and chisel out a slightly better position for our own interests, the work will never move forward. 

I reiterate - I am not happy with where we ended up. But I support the current approach, and I support moving forward.

Best,

Michael Karanicolas
WIII Fellow 
Information Society Project - Yale Law School

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 2:52 PM Michael Graham (ELCA) via GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> wrote:

I apparently share Brian’s misunderstanding:  I was under the impression that the Sub Teams were formed to deep dive the two topics, draft answers to the Charter Questions and propose Questions for the Community based on these discussions, and present their drafts to the full Working Group for discussion, approval, or revision.  I concede that the wording proposals I put forward should not be adopted insofar as I saw no (much less “wide”) support on the Chat or in the Discussion.  However, some members’ criticism that the Sub Team wording was the result of substantial discussion and  the Agenda reminder discouraging “recreating or relitigating the Sub Teams’ work” contradicts my understanding of both the Sub Teams’ and the Full Working Group’s roles.  I think members of the Full group – whether they participated in the Sub Team work or not – should have the ability to and responsibility of questioning the basis for statements suggested by the Sub Teams, and proposing clarifying language.  In any event, I would have liked to have seen the participants polled on whether they supported particular proposals rather than relying on whether members wanted to comment.

 

Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but in light of Brian’s comment and my own frustration with the process I thought it best to provide this comment.  Thanks, and I look forward to our coming calls.

 

Michael R. Graham

 

From: GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of BECKHAM, Brian
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:21 AM
To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org
Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda & Materials re: 10 July RPM Working Group Meeting 17:00 UTC

 

Hi Julie, all,

 

On our last call I mentioned that I had one or two clarifying text suggestions that I would send over email.

 

Perhaps I misunderstood the intended role of the full Working Group vis-à-vis approving the work of the Sub Teams, and given that every single suggestion on this past Wednesday’s call was reflexively rejected, I am writing here to let you know that I will not be making any further suggestions and have no comments on the Claims Sub Team report.

 

Brian

 

From: GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 7:01 PM
To: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org
Subject: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda & Materials re: 10 July RPM Working Group Meeting 17:00 UTC

 

Dear RPM PDP Working Group members,

 

On behalf of the WG Co-Chairs, please see the proposed agenda below for the Working Group meeting on Wednesday, 10 July at 1700 UTC for 90 minutes.

 

Proposed Agenda:

  1. Welcome and Updates to Statements of Interest
  2. Brief Update on ICANN65 
  3. Review and Discussion of TM Claims Sub Team Recommendations (see attached document): Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4, & Q5, Proposals 1, 5, 6, 11, & 12.
  4. AOB

 

Please note that per the attached work plan/timeline this is the first of four meetings in July for the WG to consider the TM Claims and Sunrise Sub Team recommendations.  As you may recall, Martin Silva provided an update on the TM Claims recommendations at ICANN65 and those recommendations are unchanged in the attached document, which also was provided as the Sub Team’s report to the WG yesterday. 

 

As a reminder, per the agreed-upon process for the WG’s consideration of the Sub Teams’ recommendations, the full WG is not expected to be recreating or relitigating the Sub Teams’ work.  Clarifications and fine-tuning are in order, but unless there is very broad support for rejecting a Sub Team recommendation or reviving a proposal that failed to receive wide support the Sub Team decisions stand and will be reflected in the Initial Report.

 

Please also note that if there are suggestions for minor edits to the text of the TM Claims Sub Team’s recommendations in the attached document it would be very helpful if the text with edits indicated could be circulated to this list prior to the meeting this Wednesday.  Moreover, to the extent that minor edits might be suggested on Wednesday’s call, WG members are requested to provide the text with edits indicated to this list within 48 hours of the end of Wednesday’s meeting.

 

With best regards,

Mary, Ariel, Berry, and Julie on behalf of the WG Co-Chairs

 

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