Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings
Dear Working Group members, We write to follow up about next steps concerning the thirty-one (31) individual proposals that we as a Working Group received, and initially and very briefly reviewed late last year, on the Uniform Rapid Suspension procedure (URS). We thank everyone who took the time to fill out the survey that was conducted recently, and that had been intended to allow the Working Group co-chairs to “take the temperature” of the membership as to which proposals ought to be included in the Phase One Initial Report for public comments and which might reach the level of a Working Group recommendation. Following the Working Group’s discussion of the survey outcomes at our last ICANN66 session in Montreal, the co-chairs met with the incoming and outgoing GNSO Council liaisons to try to determine a path forward. We have collectively developed the following proposal for handling the individual URS proposals and the URS Sub Teams’ recommendations, which we believe builds on the initial survey results and our discussions to date. 20 November 2019: Working Group meeting to complete discussions regarding the recommendations of the URS Sub Teams’ to go into the Initial Report. 4, 11 & 18 December 2019 (Note: no meeting on 27 November due to travel associated with the US Thanksgiving holiday the following day): Working Group meetings to review the individual URS proposals to determine which of them fall into the following categories: * Include in the Initial Report as Working Group recommendations (see below for proposed methodology); * Include in the Initial Report, not as Working Group recommendations, but as individual proposals for which the Working Group is seeking community input; or * Do not include in the Initial Report, even as individual proposals, due to inadequate support. 1. Procedure to determine whether an individual proposal has sufficiently wide support to become a Working Group recommendation at this stage: * All Working Group members are requested to review the survey results as well as the individual proposals prior to our December meetings (see https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-11-03+ICANN66+Montreal...). * If a member believes that a specific proposal merits inclusion in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation, that member will have a short time to make substantive, evidence-based arguments in favor of that position on a Working Group call – preferably provided to the full Working Group in writing in advance of the allotted call. Members wishing to propose that an individual URS proposal becomes a Working Group recommendation must inform the Working Group leadership team and ICANN support staff by Sunday, December 1, to allow for advance notice and planning. 1. Procedure for handling individual proposals at each of the December meetings: * The proposals will be reviewed in the following order - begin with a proposal that received the highest level of support for inclusion in the Initial Report, followed by a proposal that received the lowest level of support for inclusion, then a proposal that received the next-highest level of support for inclusion, followed by one that received the next-lowest level of support, and so forth, until all proposals have been reviewed. * For each proposal, where a Working Group member had indicated (by the December 1 deadline) that he/she wished to argue in favor of including the proposal as an actual Working Group recommendation, that member will be given no more than 3 minutes to make his/her case, with questions and answers (limited to 2 minutes per question or answer and two inputs per member). * Members are kindly requested not to rehash arguments/discussions and to keep their remarks, questions and answers very brief. * Subject to a determination by the Chairs, proposals with wide support and virtually no opposition will be considered as recommendations by the WG. * Proposals with wide support and limited opposition will be published for comment in the Initial Report as individual URS Proposals. * Proposals with virtually no support and significant opposition will not be published in the Initial Report. * Following the Working Group’s review of all individual URS proposals, and in accordance with role ascribed to Working Group chair(s) under the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, the Working Group leadership team will determine whether there is sufficient support from other Working Group members: (i) to “convert” any individual proposal (where one was so argued) to an initial recommendation for purposes of the Initial Report; (ii) to include specific individual proposals in the Initial Report as proposals only; and (iii) to exclude the remaining individual proposals from the Initial Report (although these will all be referenced in the report, with links provided to the actual text of the proposals and the Working Group’s deliberations). We believe that this approach is an efficient way to proceed and will provide Working Group members with an opportunity to seek support for those (likely, few) individual proposals that they believe should be included in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation. At the same time, this approach also takes into account the survey results by placing the onus on members to make the case for specific proposals and by allowing consideration of members’ general preferences (as expressed in the survey) in coming to a decision as to how to handle the individual proposals. Thank you. We look forward to closing out the URS review and to maintaining our timeline as best we can (and as reported to the GNSO Council) for production of the Initial report. Best regards, Kathy, Brian & Phil (Working Group Co-Chairs) Paul (GNSO Council liaison till 6 November 2019) John (GNSO Council liaison from 6 November 2019)
Wait a second. How are these now potential WG recommendations? Further, as many people of varying substantive positions stated, survey responses did not in any way indicate support for the substance of a proposal, only for its publication as an individual proposal. I object in the strongest possible terms to this framing. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> wrote: Dear Working Group members, We write to follow up about next steps concerning the thirty-one (31) individual proposals that we as a Working Group received, and initially and very briefly reviewed late last year, on the Uniform Rapid Suspension procedure (URS). We thank everyone who took the time to fill out the survey that was conducted recently, and that had been intended to allow the Working Group co-chairs to “take the temperature” of the membership as to which proposals ought to be included in the Phase One Initial Report for public comments and which might reach the level of a Working Group recommendation. Following the Working Group’s discussion of the survey outcomes at our last ICANN66 session in Montreal, the co-chairs met with the incoming and outgoing GNSO Council liaisons to try to determine a path forward. We have collectively developed the following proposal for handling the individual URS proposals and the URS Sub Teams’ recommendations, which we believe builds on the initial survey results and our discussions to date. 20 November 2019: Working Group meeting to complete discussions regarding the recommendations of the URS Sub Teams’ to go into the Initial Report. 4, 11 & 18 December 2019 (Note: no meeting on 27 November due to travel associated with the US Thanksgiving holiday the following day): Working Group meetings to review the individual URS proposals to determine which of them fall into the following categories: * Include in the Initial Report as Working Group recommendations (see below for proposed methodology); * Include in the Initial Report, not as Working Group recommendations, but as individual proposals for which the Working Group is seeking community input; or * Do not include in the Initial Report, even as individual proposals, due to inadequate support. 1. Procedure to determine whether an individual proposal has sufficiently wide support to become a Working Group recommendation at this stage: * All Working Group members are requested to review the survey results as well as the individual proposals prior to our December meetings (see https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-11-03+ICANN66+Montreal+-+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG?preview=/115641871/120819086/URS%20Individual%20Proposal%20Survey%20Result.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_RARPMRIAGPWG_2019-2D11-2D03-2BICANN66-2BMontreal-2B-2D-2BReview-2Bof-2Ball-2BRights-2BProtection-2BMechanisms-2B-2528RPMs-2529-2Bin-2Ball-2BgTLDs-2BPDP-2BWG-3Fpreview-3D_115641871_120819086_URS-2520Individual-2520Proposal-2520Survey-2520Result.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=12oZVXUG5sRSJxHEsvbG155rUldhbhLE3gtPzwAejIk&s=Jnsze0_2ReWg6Z4r1bAPSsOWd6lVDop8xficCkilYzk&e=>). * If a member believes that a specific proposal merits inclusion in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation, that member will have a short time to make substantive, evidence-based arguments in favor of that position on a Working Group call – preferably provided to the full Working Group in writing in advance of the allotted call. Members wishing to propose that an individual URS proposal becomes a Working Group recommendation must inform the Working Group leadership team and ICANN support staff by Sunday, December 1, to allow for advance notice and planning. 1. Procedure for handling individual proposals at each of the December meetings: * The proposals will be reviewed in the following order - begin with a proposal that received the highest level of support for inclusion in the Initial Report, followed by a proposal that received the lowest level of support for inclusion, then a proposal that received the next-highest level of support for inclusion, followed by one that received the next-lowest level of support, and so forth, until all proposals have been reviewed. * For each proposal, where a Working Group member had indicated (by the December 1 deadline) that he/she wished to argue in favor of including the proposal as an actual Working Group recommendation, that member will be given no more than 3 minutes to make his/her case, with questions and answers (limited to 2 minutes per question or answer and two inputs per member). * Members are kindly requested not to rehash arguments/discussions and to keep their remarks, questions and answers very brief. * Subject to a determination by the Chairs, proposals with wide support and virtually no opposition will be considered as recommendations by the WG. * Proposals with wide support and limited opposition will be published for comment in the Initial Report as individual URS Proposals. * Proposals with virtually no support and significant opposition will not be published in the Initial Report. * Following the Working Group’s review of all individual URS proposals, and in accordance with role ascribed to Working Group chair(s) under the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, the Working Group leadership team will determine whether there is sufficient support from other Working Group members: (i) to “convert” any individual proposal (where one was so argued) to an initial recommendation for purposes of the Initial Report; (ii) to include specific individual proposals in the Initial Report as proposals only; and (iii) to exclude the remaining individual proposals from the Initial Report (although these will all be referenced in the report, with links provided to the actual text of the proposals and the Working Group’s deliberations). We believe that this approach is an efficient way to proceed and will provide Working Group members with an opportunity to seek support for those (likely, few) individual proposals that they believe should be included in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation. At the same time, this approach also takes into account the survey results by placing the onus on members to make the case for specific proposals and by allowing consideration of members’ general preferences (as expressed in the survey) in coming to a decision as to how to handle the individual proposals. Thank you. We look forward to closing out the URS review and to maintaining our timeline as best we can (and as reported to the GNSO Council) for production of the Initial report. Best regards, Kathy, Brian & Phil (Working Group Co-Chairs) Paul (GNSO Council liaison till 6 November 2019) John (GNSO Council liaison from 6 November 2019) _______________________________________________ GNSO-RPM-WG mailing list GNSO-RPM-WG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Hi Rebecca, Help your fell WG members understand your concern. Weren’t the Individual Proposals always possible candidates for WG Recommendations? If not, what was their purpose? If so, we need a mechanism to determine which ones have sufficient support to become WG Recommendations. The email below sets forth a path for those. If an individual proposal faces significant resistance or no one speaking in its favor, it won’t make the list of WG Recommendations. It can still be published as an “Individual Proposal” and its proponent can submit a minority statement in favor of it when the final report goes ni. All of that said, I can tell from your reaction that you had a different view on how these would play out. What was it you were expecting? Perhaps there is a way to handle these in a way that accomplishes the necessary dwindling of those with little/no support and also deals with any process concerns you may have. Thanks! Best, Paul This message may contain information that is attorney-client privileged, attorney work product or otherwise confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, use and disclosure of this message are prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Tushnet, Rebecca Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:29 PM To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings Wait a second. How are these now potential WG recommendations? Further, as many people of varying substantive positions stated, survey responses did not in any way indicate support for the substance of a proposal, only for its publication as an individual proposal. I object in the strongest possible terms to this framing. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Working Group members, We write to follow up about next steps concerning the thirty-one (31) individual proposals that we as a Working Group received, and initially and very briefly reviewed late last year, on the Uniform Rapid Suspension procedure (URS). We thank everyone who took the time to fill out the survey that was conducted recently, and that had been intended to allow the Working Group co-chairs to “take the temperature” of the membership as to which proposals ought to be included in the Phase One Initial Report for public comments and which might reach the level of a Working Group recommendation. Following the Working Group’s discussion of the survey outcomes at our last ICANN66 session in Montreal, the co-chairs met with the incoming and outgoing GNSO Council liaisons to try to determine a path forward. We have collectively developed the following proposal for handling the individual URS proposals and the URS Sub Teams’ recommendations, which we believe builds on the initial survey results and our discussions to date. 20 November 2019: Working Group meeting to complete discussions regarding the recommendations of the URS Sub Teams’ to go into the Initial Report. 4, 11 & 18 December 2019 (Note: no meeting on 27 November due to travel associated with the US Thanksgiving holiday the following day): Working Group meetings to review the individual URS proposals to determine which of them fall into the following categories: * Include in the Initial Report as Working Group recommendations (see below for proposed methodology); * Include in the Initial Report, not as Working Group recommendations, but as individual proposals for which the Working Group is seeking community input; or * Do not include in the Initial Report, even as individual proposals, due to inadequate support. 1. Procedure to determine whether an individual proposal has sufficiently wide support to become a Working Group recommendation at this stage: * All Working Group members are requested to review the survey results as well as the individual proposals prior to our December meetings (see https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-11-03+ICANN66+Montreal+-+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG?preview=/115641871/120819086/URS%20Individual%20Proposal%20Survey%20Result.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_RARPMRIAGPWG_2019-2D11-2D03-2BICANN66-2BMontreal-2B-2D-2BReview-2Bof-2Ball-2BRights-2BProtection-2BMechanisms-2B-2528RPMs-2529-2Bin-2Ball-2BgTLDs-2BPDP-2BWG-3Fpreview-3D_115641871_120819086_URS-2520Individual-2520Proposal-2520Survey-2520Result.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=12oZVXUG5sRSJxHEsvbG155rUldhbhLE3gtPzwAejIk&s=Jnsze0_2ReWg6Z4r1bAPSsOWd6lVDop8xficCkilYzk&e=>). * If a member believes that a specific proposal merits inclusion in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation, that member will have a short time to make substantive, evidence-based arguments in favor of that position on a Working Group call – preferably provided to the full Working Group in writing in advance of the allotted call. Members wishing to propose that an individual URS proposal becomes a Working Group recommendation must inform the Working Group leadership team and ICANN support staff by Sunday, December 1, to allow for advance notice and planning. 1. Procedure for handling individual proposals at each of the December meetings: * The proposals will be reviewed in the following order - begin with a proposal that received the highest level of support for inclusion in the Initial Report, followed by a proposal that received the lowest level of support for inclusion, then a proposal that received the next-highest level of support for inclusion, followed by one that received the next-lowest level of support, and so forth, until all proposals have been reviewed. * For each proposal, where a Working Group member had indicated (by the December 1 deadline) that he/she wished to argue in favor of including the proposal as an actual Working Group recommendation, that member will be given no more than 3 minutes to make his/her case, with questions and answers (limited to 2 minutes per question or answer and two inputs per member). * Members are kindly requested not to rehash arguments/discussions and to keep their remarks, questions and answers very brief. * Subject to a determination by the Chairs, proposals with wide support and virtually no opposition will be considered as recommendations by the WG. * Proposals with wide support and limited opposition will be published for comment in the Initial Report as individual URS Proposals. * Proposals with virtually no support and significant opposition will not be published in the Initial Report. * Following the Working Group’s review of all individual URS proposals, and in accordance with role ascribed to Working Group chair(s) under the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, the Working Group leadership team will determine whether there is sufficient support from other Working Group members: (i) to “convert” any individual proposal (where one was so argued) to an initial recommendation for purposes of the Initial Report; (ii) to include specific individual proposals in the Initial Report as proposals only; and (iii) to exclude the remaining individual proposals from the Initial Report (although these will all be referenced in the report, with links provided to the actual text of the proposals and the Working Group’s deliberations). We believe that this approach is an efficient way to proceed and will provide Working Group members with an opportunity to seek support for those (likely, few) individual proposals that they believe should be included in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation. At the same time, this approach also takes into account the survey results by placing the onus on members to make the case for specific proposals and by allowing consideration of members’ general preferences (as expressed in the survey) in coming to a decision as to how to handle the individual proposals. Thank you. We look forward to closing out the URS review and to maintaining our timeline as best we can (and as reported to the GNSO Council) for production of the Initial report. Best regards, Kathy, Brian & Phil (Working Group Co-Chairs) Paul (GNSO Council liaison till 6 November 2019) John (GNSO Council liaison from 6 November 2019) _______________________________________________ GNSO-RPM-WG mailing list GNSO-RPM-WG@icann.org<mailto:GNSO-RPM-WG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
When we started the survey process, it was for whether these were all going to be published as individual proposals, or not all published. I can’t search archives because I am in transit, but we were not discussing these as WG proposals at all. What was then discussed at Montreal was some sorting by level of support, as with other individual proposals for the non URS topics. I can live with that! But none of these made the cut as WG proposals. And again: support for publishing something for comment is completely different from support for adopting it as a WG recommendation. We haven’t even “taken the temperature” on that latter, except insofar as we already did by not supporting these as URS WG recommendations. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 3:59 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Help your fell WG members understand your concern. Weren’t the Individual Proposals always possible candidates for WG Recommendations? If not, what was their purpose? If so, we need a mechanism to determine which ones have sufficient support to become WG Recommendations. The email below sets forth a path for those. If an individual proposal faces significant resistance or no one speaking in its favor, it won’t make the list of WG Recommendations. It can still be published as an “Individual Proposal” and its proponent can submit a minority statement in favor of it when the final report goes ni. All of that said, I can tell from your reaction that you had a different view on how these would play out. What was it you were expecting? Perhaps there is a way to handle these in a way that accomplishes the necessary dwindling of those with little/no support and also deals with any process concerns you may have. Thanks! Best, Paul This message may contain information that is attorney-client privileged, attorney work product or otherwise confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, use and disclosure of this message are prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Tushnet, Rebecca Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:29 PM To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings Wait a second. How are these now potential WG recommendations? Further, as many people of varying substantive positions stated, survey responses did not in any way indicate support for the substance of a proposal, only for its publication as an individual proposal. I object in the strongest possible terms to this framing. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Working Group members, We write to follow up about next steps concerning the thirty-one (31) individual proposals that we as a Working Group received, and initially and very briefly reviewed late last year, on the Uniform Rapid Suspension procedure (URS). We thank everyone who took the time to fill out the survey that was conducted recently, and that had been intended to allow the Working Group co-chairs to “take the temperature” of the membership as to which proposals ought to be included in the Phase One Initial Report for public comments and which might reach the level of a Working Group recommendation. Following the Working Group’s discussion of the survey outcomes at our last ICANN66 session in Montreal, the co-chairs met with the incoming and outgoing GNSO Council liaisons to try to determine a path forward. We have collectively developed the following proposal for handling the individual URS proposals and the URS Sub Teams’ recommendations, which we believe builds on the initial survey results and our discussions to date. 20 November 2019: Working Group meeting to complete discussions regarding the recommendations of the URS Sub Teams’ to go into the Initial Report. 4, 11 & 18 December 2019 (Note: no meeting on 27 November due to travel associated with the US Thanksgiving holiday the following day): Working Group meetings to review the individual URS proposals to determine which of them fall into the following categories: * Include in the Initial Report as Working Group recommendations (see below for proposed methodology); * Include in the Initial Report, not as Working Group recommendations, but as individual proposals for which the Working Group is seeking community input; or * Do not include in the Initial Report, even as individual proposals, due to inadequate support. 1. Procedure to determine whether an individual proposal has sufficiently wide support to become a Working Group recommendation at this stage: * All Working Group members are requested to review the survey results as well as the individual proposals prior to our December meetings (see https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-11-03+ICANN66+Montreal+-+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG?preview=/115641871/120819086/URS%20Individual%20Proposal%20Survey%20Result.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_RARPMRIAGPWG_2019-2D11-2D03-2BICANN66-2BMontreal-2B-2D-2BReview-2Bof-2Ball-2BRights-2BProtection-2BMechanisms-2B-2528RPMs-2529-2Bin-2Ball-2BgTLDs-2BPDP-2BWG-3Fpreview-3D_115641871_120819086_URS-2520Individual-2520Proposal-2520Survey-2520Result.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=12oZVXUG5sRSJxHEsvbG155rUldhbhLE3gtPzwAejIk&s=Jnsze0_2ReWg6Z4r1bAPSsOWd6lVDop8xficCkilYzk&e=>). * If a member believes that a specific proposal merits inclusion in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation, that member will have a short time to make substantive, evidence-based arguments in favor of that position on a Working Group call – preferably provided to the full Working Group in writing in advance of the allotted call. Members wishing to propose that an individual URS proposal becomes a Working Group recommendation must inform the Working Group leadership team and ICANN support staff by Sunday, December 1, to allow for advance notice and planning. 1. Procedure for handling individual proposals at each of the December meetings: * The proposals will be reviewed in the following order - begin with a proposal that received the highest level of support for inclusion in the Initial Report, followed by a proposal that received the lowest level of support for inclusion, then a proposal that received the next-highest level of support for inclusion, followed by one that received the next-lowest level of support, and so forth, until all proposals have been reviewed. * For each proposal, where a Working Group member had indicated (by the December 1 deadline) that he/she wished to argue in favor of including the proposal as an actual Working Group recommendation, that member will be given no more than 3 minutes to make his/her case, with questions and answers (limited to 2 minutes per question or answer and two inputs per member). * Members are kindly requested not to rehash arguments/discussions and to keep their remarks, questions and answers very brief. * Subject to a determination by the Chairs, proposals with wide support and virtually no opposition will be considered as recommendations by the WG. * Proposals with wide support and limited opposition will be published for comment in the Initial Report as individual URS Proposals. * Proposals with virtually no support and significant opposition will not be published in the Initial Report. * Following the Working Group’s review of all individual URS proposals, and in accordance with role ascribed to Working Group chair(s) under the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, the Working Group leadership team will determine whether there is sufficient support from other Working Group members: (i) to “convert” any individual proposal (where one was so argued) to an initial recommendation for purposes of the Initial Report; (ii) to include specific individual proposals in the Initial Report as proposals only; and (iii) to exclude the remaining individual proposals from the Initial Report (although these will all be referenced in the report, with links provided to the actual text of the proposals and the Working Group’s deliberations). We believe that this approach is an efficient way to proceed and will provide Working Group members with an opportunity to seek support for those (likely, few) individual proposals that they believe should be included in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation. At the same time, this approach also takes into account the survey results by placing the onus on members to make the case for specific proposals and by allowing consideration of members’ general preferences (as expressed in the survey) in coming to a decision as to how to handle the individual proposals. Thank you. We look forward to closing out the URS review and to maintaining our timeline as best we can (and as reported to the GNSO Council) for production of the Initial report. 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Thanks Rebecca. This is helpful. Is there any scenario that you can see in which the Individual Proposals could become WG Recommendations? If so, when would that be and what do you envision the process would look like. Noting that you are in transit, please don’t feel the need to respond right away so that you can get to your archives. I completely understand that there is an important process issue here and I think it is best that we all get on the same page so that we can focus any disagreements on substance rather than process. Safe travels! Best, Paul From: Tushnet, Rebecca <rtushnet@law.harvard.edu> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 4:28 PM To: McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings When we started the survey process, it was for whether these were all going to be published as individual proposals, or not all published. I can’t search archives because I am in transit, but we were not discussing these as WG proposals at all. What was then discussed at Montreal was some sorting by level of support, as with other individual proposals for the non URS topics. I can live with that! But none of these made the cut as WG proposals. And again: support for publishing something for comment is completely different from support for adopting it as a WG recommendation. We haven’t even “taken the temperature” on that latter, except insofar as we already did by not supporting these as URS WG recommendations. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 3:59 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com>> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Help your fell WG members understand your concern. Weren’t the Individual Proposals always possible candidates for WG Recommendations? If not, what was their purpose? If so, we need a mechanism to determine which ones have sufficient support to become WG Recommendations. The email below sets forth a path for those. If an individual proposal faces significant resistance or no one speaking in its favor, it won’t make the list of WG Recommendations. It can still be published as an “Individual Proposal” and its proponent can submit a minority statement in favor of it when the final report goes ni. All of that said, I can tell from your reaction that you had a different view on how these would play out. What was it you were expecting? Perhaps there is a way to handle these in a way that accomplishes the necessary dwindling of those with little/no support and also deals with any process concerns you may have. Thanks! Best, Paul This message may contain information that is attorney-client privileged, attorney work product or otherwise confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, use and disclosure of this message are prohibited. 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On Nov 15, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Working Group members, We write to follow up about next steps concerning the thirty-one (31) individual proposals that we as a Working Group received, and initially and very briefly reviewed late last year, on the Uniform Rapid Suspension procedure (URS). We thank everyone who took the time to fill out the survey that was conducted recently, and that had been intended to allow the Working Group co-chairs to “take the temperature” of the membership as to which proposals ought to be included in the Phase One Initial Report for public comments and which might reach the level of a Working Group recommendation. Following the Working Group’s discussion of the survey outcomes at our last ICANN66 session in Montreal, the co-chairs met with the incoming and outgoing GNSO Council liaisons to try to determine a path forward. 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Procedure for handling individual proposals at each of the December meetings: * The proposals will be reviewed in the following order - begin with a proposal that received the highest level of support for inclusion in the Initial Report, followed by a proposal that received the lowest level of support for inclusion, then a proposal that received the next-highest level of support for inclusion, followed by one that received the next-lowest level of support, and so forth, until all proposals have been reviewed. * For each proposal, where a Working Group member had indicated (by the December 1 deadline) that he/she wished to argue in favor of including the proposal as an actual Working Group recommendation, that member will be given no more than 3 minutes to make his/her case, with questions and answers (limited to 2 minutes per question or answer and two inputs per member). * Members are kindly requested not to rehash arguments/discussions and to keep their remarks, questions and answers very brief. * Subject to a determination by the Chairs, proposals with wide support and virtually no opposition will be considered as recommendations by the WG. * Proposals with wide support and limited opposition will be published for comment in the Initial Report as individual URS Proposals. * Proposals with virtually no support and significant opposition will not be published in the Initial Report. * Following the Working Group’s review of all individual URS proposals, and in accordance with role ascribed to Working Group chair(s) under the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, the Working Group leadership team will determine whether there is sufficient support from other Working Group members: (i) to “convert” any individual proposal (where one was so argued) to an initial recommendation for purposes of the Initial Report; (ii) to include specific individual proposals in the Initial Report as proposals only; and (iii) to exclude the remaining individual proposals from the Initial Report (although these will all be referenced in the report, with links provided to the actual text of the proposals and the Working Group’s deliberations). We believe that this approach is an efficient way to proceed and will provide Working Group members with an opportunity to seek support for those (likely, few) individual proposals that they believe should be included in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation. At the same time, this approach also takes into account the survey results by placing the onus on members to make the case for specific proposals and by allowing consideration of members’ general preferences (as expressed in the survey) in coming to a decision as to how to handle the individual proposals. Thank you. We look forward to closing out the URS review and to maintaining our timeline as best we can (and as reported to the GNSO Council) for production of the Initial report. 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I am struggling to see why we should reopen the process for WG recommendations. If we did, I would think it would be a fair complaint that nothing is ever truly settled if some group doesn’t like the results. Why shouldn’t we also go through all the other subgroup individual proposals to see if they too have gained support in the meantime since they were accepted as individual proposals but not as WG proposals? The relevant scenario for possible adoption by the WG is, I think, after we get feedback. That’s why the other individual proposals are going out, right? The theory is that they might get enough support/evidence in feedback. So too here. Or there’s no point to publishing individual proposals at all, is there? Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> wrote: Thanks Rebecca. This is helpful. Is there any scenario that you can see in which the Individual Proposals could become WG Recommendations? If so, when would that be and what do you envision the process would look like. Noting that you are in transit, please don’t feel the need to respond right away so that you can get to your archives. I completely understand that there is an important process issue here and I think it is best that we all get on the same page so that we can focus any disagreements on substance rather than process. Safe travels! Best, Paul From: Tushnet, Rebecca <rtushnet@law.harvard.edu> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 4:28 PM To: McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings When we started the survey process, it was for whether these were all going to be published as individual proposals, or not all published. I can’t search archives because I am in transit, but we were not discussing these as WG proposals at all. What was then discussed at Montreal was some sorting by level of support, as with other individual proposals for the non URS topics. I can live with that! But none of these made the cut as WG proposals. And again: support for publishing something for comment is completely different from support for adopting it as a WG recommendation. We haven’t even “taken the temperature” on that latter, except insofar as we already did by not supporting these as URS WG recommendations. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 3:59 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com>> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Help your fell WG members understand your concern. Weren’t the Individual Proposals always possible candidates for WG Recommendations? If not, what was their purpose? If so, we need a mechanism to determine which ones have sufficient support to become WG Recommendations. The email below sets forth a path for those. If an individual proposal faces significant resistance or no one speaking in its favor, it won’t make the list of WG Recommendations. It can still be published as an “Individual Proposal” and its proponent can submit a minority statement in favor of it when the final report goes ni. All of that said, I can tell from your reaction that you had a different view on how these would play out. What was it you were expecting? Perhaps there is a way to handle these in a way that accomplishes the necessary dwindling of those with little/no support and also deals with any process concerns you may have. Thanks! Best, Paul This message may contain information that is attorney-client privileged, attorney work product or otherwise confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, use and disclosure of this message are prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Tushnet, Rebecca Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:29 PM To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings Wait a second. How are these now potential WG recommendations? Further, as many people of varying substantive positions stated, survey responses did not in any way indicate support for the substance of a proposal, only for its publication as an individual proposal. I object in the strongest possible terms to this framing. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Working Group members, We write to follow up about next steps concerning the thirty-one (31) individual proposals that we as a Working Group received, and initially and very briefly reviewed late last year, on the Uniform Rapid Suspension procedure (URS). We thank everyone who took the time to fill out the survey that was conducted recently, and that had been intended to allow the Working Group co-chairs to “take the temperature” of the membership as to which proposals ought to be included in the Phase One Initial Report for public comments and which might reach the level of a Working Group recommendation. Following the Working Group’s discussion of the survey outcomes at our last ICANN66 session in Montreal, the co-chairs met with the incoming and outgoing GNSO Council liaisons to try to determine a path forward. We have collectively developed the following proposal for handling the individual URS proposals and the URS Sub Teams’ recommendations, which we believe builds on the initial survey results and our discussions to date. 20 November 2019: Working Group meeting to complete discussions regarding the recommendations of the URS Sub Teams’ to go into the Initial Report. 4, 11 & 18 December 2019 (Note: no meeting on 27 November due to travel associated with the US Thanksgiving holiday the following day): Working Group meetings to review the individual URS proposals to determine which of them fall into the following categories: * Include in the Initial Report as Working Group recommendations (see below for proposed methodology); * Include in the Initial Report, not as Working Group recommendations, but as individual proposals for which the Working Group is seeking community input; or * Do not include in the Initial Report, even as individual proposals, due to inadequate support. 1. Procedure to determine whether an individual proposal has sufficiently wide support to become a Working Group recommendation at this stage: * All Working Group members are requested to review the survey results as well as the individual proposals prior to our December meetings (see https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-11-03+ICANN66+Montreal+-+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG?preview=/115641871/120819086/URS%20Individual%20Proposal%20Survey%20Result.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_RARPMRIAGPWG_2019-2D11-2D03-2BICANN66-2BMontreal-2B-2D-2BReview-2Bof-2Ball-2BRights-2BProtection-2BMechanisms-2B-2528RPMs-2529-2Bin-2Ball-2BgTLDs-2BPDP-2BWG-3Fpreview-3D_115641871_120819086_URS-2520Individual-2520Proposal-2520Survey-2520Result.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=12oZVXUG5sRSJxHEsvbG155rUldhbhLE3gtPzwAejIk&s=Jnsze0_2ReWg6Z4r1bAPSsOWd6lVDop8xficCkilYzk&e=>). * If a member believes that a specific proposal merits inclusion in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation, that member will have a short time to make substantive, evidence-based arguments in favor of that position on a Working Group call – preferably provided to the full Working Group in writing in advance of the allotted call. Members wishing to propose that an individual URS proposal becomes a Working Group recommendation must inform the Working Group leadership team and ICANN support staff by Sunday, December 1, to allow for advance notice and planning. 1. Procedure for handling individual proposals at each of the December meetings: * The proposals will be reviewed in the following order - begin with a proposal that received the highest level of support for inclusion in the Initial Report, followed by a proposal that received the lowest level of support for inclusion, then a proposal that received the next-highest level of support for inclusion, followed by one that received the next-lowest level of support, and so forth, until all proposals have been reviewed. * For each proposal, where a Working Group member had indicated (by the December 1 deadline) that he/she wished to argue in favor of including the proposal as an actual Working Group recommendation, that member will be given no more than 3 minutes to make his/her case, with questions and answers (limited to 2 minutes per question or answer and two inputs per member). * Members are kindly requested not to rehash arguments/discussions and to keep their remarks, questions and answers very brief. * Subject to a determination by the Chairs, proposals with wide support and virtually no opposition will be considered as recommendations by the WG. * Proposals with wide support and limited opposition will be published for comment in the Initial Report as individual URS Proposals. * Proposals with virtually no support and significant opposition will not be published in the Initial Report. * Following the Working Group’s review of all individual URS proposals, and in accordance with role ascribed to Working Group chair(s) under the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, the Working Group leadership team will determine whether there is sufficient support from other Working Group members: (i) to “convert” any individual proposal (where one was so argued) to an initial recommendation for purposes of the Initial Report; (ii) to include specific individual proposals in the Initial Report as proposals only; and (iii) to exclude the remaining individual proposals from the Initial Report (although these will all be referenced in the report, with links provided to the actual text of the proposals and the Working Group’s deliberations). We believe that this approach is an efficient way to proceed and will provide Working Group members with an opportunity to seek support for those (likely, few) individual proposals that they believe should be included in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation. At the same time, this approach also takes into account the survey results by placing the onus on members to make the case for specific proposals and by allowing consideration of members’ general preferences (as expressed in the survey) in coming to a decision as to how to handle the individual proposals. Thank you. We look forward to closing out the URS review and to maintaining our timeline as best we can (and as reported to the GNSO Council) for production of the Initial report. 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Thank you Rebecca and Paul K. for responding. Your comments have been very helpful to me to understand where your concerns are coming from. Much appreciated. Best, Paul From: Tushnet, Rebecca <rtushnet@law.harvard.edu> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 4:49 PM To: McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings I am struggling to see why we should reopen the process for WG recommendations. If we did, I would think it would be a fair complaint that nothing is ever truly settled if some group doesn’t like the results. Why shouldn’t we also go through all the other subgroup individual proposals to see if they too have gained support in the meantime since they were accepted as individual proposals but not as WG proposals? The relevant scenario for possible adoption by the WG is, I think, after we get feedback. That’s why the other individual proposals are going out, right? The theory is that they might get enough support/evidence in feedback. So too here. Or there’s no point to publishing individual proposals at all, is there? Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com>> wrote: Thanks Rebecca. This is helpful. Is there any scenario that you can see in which the Individual Proposals could become WG Recommendations? If so, when would that be and what do you envision the process would look like. Noting that you are in transit, please don’t feel the need to respond right away so that you can get to your archives. I completely understand that there is an important process issue here and I think it is best that we all get on the same page so that we can focus any disagreements on substance rather than process. Safe travels! Best, Paul From: Tushnet, Rebecca <rtushnet@law.harvard.edu<mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu>> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 4:28 PM To: McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com>> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings When we started the survey process, it was for whether these were all going to be published as individual proposals, or not all published. I can’t search archives because I am in transit, but we were not discussing these as WG proposals at all. What was then discussed at Montreal was some sorting by level of support, as with other individual proposals for the non URS topics. I can live with that! But none of these made the cut as WG proposals. And again: support for publishing something for comment is completely different from support for adopting it as a WG recommendation. We haven’t even “taken the temperature” on that latter, except insofar as we already did by not supporting these as URS WG recommendations. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 3:59 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com<mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com>> wrote: Hi Rebecca, Help your fell WG members understand your concern. Weren’t the Individual Proposals always possible candidates for WG Recommendations? If not, what was their purpose? If so, we need a mechanism to determine which ones have sufficient support to become WG Recommendations. The email below sets forth a path for those. If an individual proposal faces significant resistance or no one speaking in its favor, it won’t make the list of WG Recommendations. It can still be published as an “Individual Proposal” and its proponent can submit a minority statement in favor of it when the final report goes ni. All of that said, I can tell from your reaction that you had a different view on how these would play out. What was it you were expecting? Perhaps there is a way to handle these in a way that accomplishes the necessary dwindling of those with little/no support and also deals with any process concerns you may have. Thanks! Best, Paul This message may contain information that is attorney-client privileged, attorney work product or otherwise confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, use and disclosure of this message are prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. From: GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Tushnet, Rebecca Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:29 PM To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings Wait a second. How are these now potential WG recommendations? Further, as many people of varying substantive positions stated, survey responses did not in any way indicate support for the substance of a proposal, only for its publication as an individual proposal. I object in the strongest possible terms to this framing. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. On Nov 15, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Working Group members, We write to follow up about next steps concerning the thirty-one (31) individual proposals that we as a Working Group received, and initially and very briefly reviewed late last year, on the Uniform Rapid Suspension procedure (URS). We thank everyone who took the time to fill out the survey that was conducted recently, and that had been intended to allow the Working Group co-chairs to “take the temperature” of the membership as to which proposals ought to be included in the Phase One Initial Report for public comments and which might reach the level of a Working Group recommendation. Following the Working Group’s discussion of the survey outcomes at our last ICANN66 session in Montreal, the co-chairs met with the incoming and outgoing GNSO Council liaisons to try to determine a path forward. We have collectively developed the following proposal for handling the individual URS proposals and the URS Sub Teams’ recommendations, which we believe builds on the initial survey results and our discussions to date. 20 November 2019: Working Group meeting to complete discussions regarding the recommendations of the URS Sub Teams’ to go into the Initial Report. 4, 11 & 18 December 2019 (Note: no meeting on 27 November due to travel associated with the US Thanksgiving holiday the following day): Working Group meetings to review the individual URS proposals to determine which of them fall into the following categories: * Include in the Initial Report as Working Group recommendations (see below for proposed methodology); * Include in the Initial Report, not as Working Group recommendations, but as individual proposals for which the Working Group is seeking community input; or * Do not include in the Initial Report, even as individual proposals, due to inadequate support. 1. Procedure to determine whether an individual proposal has sufficiently wide support to become a Working Group recommendation at this stage: * All Working Group members are requested to review the survey results as well as the individual proposals prior to our December meetings (see https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-11-03+ICANN66+Montreal+-+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG?preview=/115641871/120819086/URS%20Individual%20Proposal%20Survey%20Result.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_RARPMRIAGPWG_2019-2D11-2D03-2BICANN66-2BMontreal-2B-2D-2BReview-2Bof-2Ball-2BRights-2BProtection-2BMechanisms-2B-2528RPMs-2529-2Bin-2Ball-2BgTLDs-2BPDP-2BWG-3Fpreview-3D_115641871_120819086_URS-2520Individual-2520Proposal-2520Survey-2520Result.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=12oZVXUG5sRSJxHEsvbG155rUldhbhLE3gtPzwAejIk&s=Jnsze0_2ReWg6Z4r1bAPSsOWd6lVDop8xficCkilYzk&e=>). * If a member believes that a specific proposal merits inclusion in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation, that member will have a short time to make substantive, evidence-based arguments in favor of that position on a Working Group call – preferably provided to the full Working Group in writing in advance of the allotted call. 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Procedure for handling individual proposals at each of the December meetings: * The proposals will be reviewed in the following order - begin with a proposal that received the highest level of support for inclusion in the Initial Report, followed by a proposal that received the lowest level of support for inclusion, then a proposal that received the next-highest level of support for inclusion, followed by one that received the next-lowest level of support, and so forth, until all proposals have been reviewed. * For each proposal, where a Working Group member had indicated (by the December 1 deadline) that he/she wished to argue in favor of including the proposal as an actual Working Group recommendation, that member will be given no more than 3 minutes to make his/her case, with questions and answers (limited to 2 minutes per question or answer and two inputs per member). * Members are kindly requested not to rehash arguments/discussions and to keep their remarks, questions and answers very brief. * Subject to a determination by the Chairs, proposals with wide support and virtually no opposition will be considered as recommendations by the WG. * Proposals with wide support and limited opposition will be published for comment in the Initial Report as individual URS Proposals. * Proposals with virtually no support and significant opposition will not be published in the Initial Report. * Following the Working Group’s review of all individual URS proposals, and in accordance with role ascribed to Working Group chair(s) under the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, the Working Group leadership team will determine whether there is sufficient support from other Working Group members: (i) to “convert” any individual proposal (where one was so argued) to an initial recommendation for purposes of the Initial Report; (ii) to include specific individual proposals in the Initial Report as proposals only; and (iii) to exclude the remaining individual proposals from the Initial Report (although these will all be referenced in the report, with links provided to the actual text of the proposals and the Working Group’s deliberations). We believe that this approach is an efficient way to proceed and will provide Working Group members with an opportunity to seek support for those (likely, few) individual proposals that they believe should be included in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation. At the same time, this approach also takes into account the survey results by placing the onus on members to make the case for specific proposals and by allowing consideration of members’ general preferences (as expressed in the survey) in coming to a decision as to how to handle the individual proposals. Thank you. We look forward to closing out the URS review and to maintaining our timeline as best we can (and as reported to the GNSO Council) for production of the Initial report. 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Paul I Agree with Rebecca here. The deal was to create and publish the individual proposals and open them to public comment. Only then can we move forward. Attempting to label some or any of them at this stage as anything but proposals would be imprudent and create bias during the comment process. Paul. Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Nov 2019, at 23:28, Tushnet, Rebecca <rtushnet@law.harvard.edu> wrote:
When we started the survey process, it was for whether these were all going to be published as individual proposals, or not all published. I can’t search archives because I am in transit, but we were not discussing these as WG proposals at all.
What was then discussed at Montreal was some sorting by level of support, as with other individual proposals for the non URS topics. I can live with that! But none of these made the cut as WG proposals.
And again: support for publishing something for comment is completely different from support for adopting it as a WG recommendation. We haven’t even “taken the temperature” on that latter, except insofar as we already did by not supporting these as URS WG recommendations.
Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School
Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos.
On Nov 15, 2019, at 3:59 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady@taftlaw.com> wrote:
Hi Rebecca,
Help your fell WG members understand your concern. Weren’t the Individual Proposals always possible candidates for WG Recommendations? If not, what was their purpose? If so, we need a mechanism to determine which ones have sufficient support to become WG Recommendations. The email below sets forth a path for those. If an individual proposal faces significant resistance or no one speaking in its favor, it won’t make the list of WG Recommendations. It can still be published as an “Individual Proposal” and its proponent can submit a minority statement in favor of it when the final report goes ni. All of that said, I can tell from your reaction that you had a different view on how these would play out. What was it you were expecting? Perhaps there is a way to handle these in a way that accomplishes the necessary dwindling of those with little/no support and also deals with any process concerns you may have. Thanks!
Best, Paul
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From: GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Tushnet, Rebecca Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:29 PM To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Next Steps re: URS Individual Proposals and Upcoming Meetings
Wait a second. How are these now potential WG recommendations? Further, as many people of varying substantive positions stated, survey responses did not in any way indicate support for the substance of a proposal, only for its publication as an individual proposal. I object in the strongest possible terms to this framing.
Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School
Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos.
On Nov 15, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Working Group members,
We write to follow up about next steps concerning the thirty-one (31) individual proposals that we as a Working Group received, and initially and very briefly reviewed late last year, on the Uniform Rapid Suspension procedure (URS).
We thank everyone who took the time to fill out the survey that was conducted recently, and that had been intended to allow the Working Group co-chairs to “take the temperature” of the membership as to which proposals ought to be included in the Phase One Initial Report for public comments and which might reach the level of a Working Group recommendation. Following the Working Group’s discussion of the survey outcomes at our last ICANN66 session in Montreal, the co-chairs met with the incoming and outgoing GNSO Council liaisons to try to determine a path forward.
We have collectively developed the following proposal for handling the individual URS proposals and the URS Sub Teams’ recommendations, which we believe builds on the initial survey results and our discussions to date.
20 November 2019: Working Group meeting to complete discussions regarding the recommendations of the URS Sub Teams’ to go into the Initial Report.
4, 11 & 18 December 2019 (Note: no meeting on 27 November due to travel associated with the US Thanksgiving holiday the following day): Working Group meetings to review the individual URS proposals to determine which of them fall into the following categories: Include in the Initial Report as Working Group recommendations (see below for proposed methodology); Include in the Initial Report, not as Working Group recommendations, but as individual proposals for which the Working Group is seeking community input; or Do not include in the Initial Report, even as individual proposals, due to inadequate support.
Procedure to determine whether an individual proposal has sufficiently wide support to become a Working Group recommendation at this stage: All Working Group members are requested to review the survey results as well as the individual proposals prior to our December meetings (see https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-11-03+ICANN66+Montreal...). If a member believes that a specific proposal merits inclusion in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation, that member will have a short time to make substantive, evidence-based arguments in favor of that position on a Working Group call – preferably provided to the full Working Group in writing in advance of the allotted call. Members wishing to propose that an individual URS proposal becomes a Working Group recommendation must inform the Working Group leadership team and ICANN support staff by Sunday, December 1, to allow for advance notice and planning.
Procedure for handling individual proposals at each of the December meetings: The proposals will be reviewed in the following order - begin with a proposal that received the highest level of support for inclusion in the Initial Report, followed by a proposal that received the lowest level of support for inclusion, then a proposal that received the next-highest level of support for inclusion, followed by one that received the next-lowest level of support, and so forth, until all proposals have been reviewed. For each proposal, where a Working Group member had indicated (by the December 1 deadline) that he/she wished to argue in favor of including the proposal as an actual Working Group recommendation, that member will be given no more than 3 minutes to make his/her case, with questions and answers (limited to 2 minutes per question or answer and two inputs per member). Members are kindly requested not to rehash arguments/discussions and to keep their remarks, questions and answers very brief. Subject to a determination by the Chairs, proposals with wide support and virtually no opposition will be considered as recommendations by the WG. Proposals with wide support and limited opposition will be published for comment in the Initial Report as individual URS Proposals. Proposals with virtually no support and significant opposition will not be published in the Initial Report. Following the Working Group’s review of all individual URS proposals, and in accordance with role ascribed to Working Group chair(s) under the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, the Working Group leadership team will determine whether there is sufficient support from other Working Group members: (i) to “convert” any individual proposal (where one was so argued) to an initial recommendation for purposes of the Initial Report; (ii) to include specific individual proposals in the Initial Report as proposals only; and (iii) to exclude the remaining individual proposals from the Initial Report (although these will all be referenced in the report, with links provided to the actual text of the proposals and the Working Group’s deliberations).
We believe that this approach is an efficient way to proceed and will provide Working Group members with an opportunity to seek support for those (likely, few) individual proposals that they believe should be included in the Initial Report as a Working Group recommendation. At the same time, this approach also takes into account the survey results by placing the onus on members to make the case for specific proposals and by allowing consideration of members’ general preferences (as expressed in the survey) in coming to a decision as to how to handle the individual proposals.
Thank you. We look forward to closing out the URS review and to maintaining our timeline as best we can (and as reported to the GNSO Council) for production of the Initial report.
Best regards, Kathy, Brian & Phil (Working Group Co-Chairs) Paul (GNSO Council liaison till 6 November 2019) John (GNSO Council liaison from 6 November 2019) _______________________________________________ GNSO-RPM-WG mailing list GNSO-RPM-WG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
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