My apologies for missing today’s call. Putting out post New Years fires. Will listed to the recording and pick up again with next week’s call. Regards, Steve Levy From: <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Terri Agnew <terri.agnew@icann.org<mailto:terri.agnew@icann.org>> Date: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:40 PM To: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>" <gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-rpm-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group call held on Wednesday, 04 January 2017 at 17:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/EZ3DAw MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-04jan17-en.mp3 The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/wCWAAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Connect chat transcript for 04 January 2017: Terri Agnew:Happy New Year! Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group call on Wednesday, 04 January 2017. Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_E... George Kirikos:Hi folks. Happy New Year. Philip Corwin:Hello all and happy new year. I'll be stepping away until the call commences Paul Tattersfield:Hello everyone George Kirikos:Hey Paul. How's it going? Paul Tattersfield:Great Goerge and you? I see you had some snow https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3... George Kirikos:I'm doing fine, thanks. I'm cheering for global warning, to make our winters milder here. :-) Elizabeth Featherman:Happy new year! Sorry I have a client call coming up the same time. I hope to rejoin the meeting as soon as possible. GraceM:can hear you loud and clear Mary Wong:We will be starting shortly. J. Scott Evans:I can not dial in. Is 866.692.5726 the correct number? Mary Wong:J. Scott, yes George Kirikos:Be sure to have a 1 up front. J. Scott Evans:I only get a fast busy signal. George Kirikos:1-866-692-5726 George Kirikos:Have there been any new responses since December 13th? Mary Wong:@George, no George Kirikos:Only 3 respondents, and PIR/AFNIC are relatively small registry operators. Terri Agnew:documents are also attached on agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_E... George Kirikos:Mary has her hand up. Brian Cimbolic:well at PIR we do opreate .org, but fair point in the new TLD arena :) George Kirikos:@Brian: yes, that's what I meant, i.e. in relation to TMCH for new gTLDs. Brian Cimbolic:@george - yep absolutely George Kirikos:More than 3 registries have participants in this PDP, I believe. Kathy Kleiman:Agree with J. Scott that direct communication with New gTLD Registries may be more effective. Jeff Neuman (Valideus):I believe answers from the registrars for this question is going to be more dispositive. Registries only get access to the list of strings, but they do not get the full list of marks in the TMCH or the other data associated with the trademarks Robin Gross:Direct communication could be very helpful. Vinzenz Heussler:I agree with Kathy Brian Cimbolic:I think direct communication is a good idea - but also, perhaps asking the other Registries that are part of the PDP to respond George Kirikos:Sure, direct communication is fine, if the RySG isn't doing a good job getting the participation. GraceM:I wonder how many of the new gTLD registries responded...... Kathy Kleiman:GDD may be able to assist us - with emails or by sending the email for us (Global Domains Division) Petter Rindforth:Is there any admin / policy problems to reach out to both groups? Mary Wong:@Petter, policy staff can contact those WG members that are also registries for assistance. As Kathy noted, we will likely ask GDD staff for help in sending the email to all New gTLD Registires (although they will already have received the request and reminder from the RySG chair). Petter Rindforth:Thanks, Mary - just a quick 2nd q: What time do we have? (As we cannot spend too long time on this topic before we proceed) Kurt Pritz:We developed questions with each group in mind. There are two alternatives for improving participation. One is for ICANN to use its bully pulpit and strongly encourage participation. This is a vital part of the ICANN support role. If registries and registrars want a vote in the adjustments to policy, they must participate. A second approach that this group censures registries in further discussion if they haven't participated in this questionaire. Kurt Pritz:I would have Akram or the CEO write the letter. Mathieu Weill:as one of the registries who responded (AFNIC) I express strong reservations against direct outreach. the questions are tailored to registry service providers rather than the 1000 gtld. all these request will go straight to the back end Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Converting it to a survey format might help too... a mult-page word doc doesn't rise to the top of a busy person's to do list as quickly as a short survey. Robin Gross:Agree that we might get more responses if we send it as a survey. Mathieu Weill:maybe the limited number of responses is an information is itself Brian Cimbolic:+1 Jeff - good point Jon Nevett:Agree with Jeff Lillian Fosteris:I agree with Kristine that a survey may lead to an increase in responses Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:If many registries simply need to check "no" or "NA", they can speed through it. Beth Bacon:+1 Jeff George Kirikos:Is this PDP considered an "Economic Study"?? See Section 2.15 of the new gTLDs standard agreeement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_sites_def... George Kirikos:2.15 Cooperation with Economic Studies. If ICANN initiates or commissions an economic study on the impact or functioning of new generic top-level domains on the Internet, the DNS or related matters, Registry Operator shall reasonably cooperate with such study, including..... Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@George no Robin Gross:staff couldn't develop a survey quickly? Jeff Neuman (Valideus):And I wouldnt go there Petter Rindforth:Definitely - make it simple but clear. We need no novels just a reply to a Q&A George Kirikos:I think it's open to interpretation....it's a policy study, and has economic impacts..... Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@George - Again, I would take the friendly approach and talk directly to them. More likely to respond as opposed to fighting whether this is the economic study or not George Kirikos:Agree that friendly approach is best. Kurt Pritz:I agree with Mary: the division of labor as I see it is the working group prepares the data regquired and fashions questions; ICANN staff formats them in a way to engender participation - whether that is a survey or some other form Jay Chapman:sorry - check :) Mary Wong:Note also that the questions encompass also Sunrise and Claims topics Terri Agnew:Next call: Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group is scheduled for Wednesday, 11 January 2017 at 18:00 UTC for 60 minutes. Paul Tattersfield:Whats the reason for moving calls between 18:00 and 17:00 wouldn't a single time be more memorable? J. Scott Evans:Paul: We have people from all over the world. We move the time in order to accommodate our non-North American members. George Kirikos:Bye folks. Paul Tattersfield:I appreciate that JS but 1 hr! Philip Corwin:@Paul -- ,also I think there is a conflict with a regular RySG call Greg Shatan:First Wake Up Call of the New Year. :-) Greg Shatan:Bye all! Robin Gross:Thanks J. Scott and all. Bye. susan payne (valideus):bye Paul Tattersfield:thanks Phil Paul Tattersfield:Bye all

Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group call held on Wednesday, 11 January 2017 at 18:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/G53DAw MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-11jan17-en.mp3 The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/wCWAAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew Adobe Connect chat transcript for 11 January 2017: Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group call on Wednesday, 11 January 2017 at 18:00 UTC Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_G... Mary Wong:Hello George and Terri! George Kirikos:Hi Mary. Ivett Paulovics:Hi everyone Marie Pattullo:Happy New Year all! George Kirikos:Welcome Ivett and Marie. David McAuley (RySG):Hello all Yuri Chumak:greetings from Toronto Philip Corwin:Helo all. Awaiting the operator Terri Agnew:@Phil alertign op Steve Levy:Hi all! Philip Corwin:On the audio now Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All Philip Corwin:Sharing is caring ;-) Mary Wong:This is the clean, updated version - we circulated the redline as well via email. Mary Wong:I'll upload it to the wiki Mary Wong:Yes Terri Agnew:everyone can scroll themselves Mary Wong:Follow up on the Registry Survey questions: the link is now on the WG wiki, under the Data Gathering Sub Team tab here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_V... George Kirikos:Looks fine to me. David McAuley (RySG):+1 @ George Beth Allegretti:+1 George Jonathan Matkowsky:+1 @ George Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1 Geroge Vinzenz Heussler:+ 1 George Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:sorry, George Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I prefer longer calls to more calls. Mary Wong:Yup, not necessarily 90 minutes every week, but as needed Steve Levy:I'm fine with longer calls but only when absolutely needed Susan Payne:support 90 mins Vinzenz Heussler:I'm fine with 90 min calls George Kirikos:+1 Kristine. I wouldn't want multiple calls per week. George Kirikos:Plus, there's also the mailing list, which can obviously handle a lot of volume, as we've seen from time to time. :-) Susan Payne:But I think we can make better use of the email list to progress discussion Steve Levy:Still need to be efficient and not fall into the habit of doing longer calls Laurie Anderson:I too, prefer longer calls to more calls. Mary Wong:@Susan, agree (and Steve too); staff will do what we can to see if/how more email discussions can be faciliated. George Kirikos:If we started 15 mins earlier than normal, and ended 15 mins later than usual, that might work best, sometimes. George Kirikos:We might want to save the 'intensive' session(s) for when we get to the UDRP, if we're not allowed to do it more than once per PDP. George Kirikos:2 earpieces, Phil. :-) Greg Shatan:I thought the F2F WG meetings would be on Sunday, while the full day GNSO meeting was on Saturday. Susan Payne:Is George correct that we can only do this once per PDP? Why is that? Seems unreasonable if we have concluded it would be beneficial to progress our work? Mary Wong:@Greg, the difficulty is that there are joint meetings with the Board and the GAC that need to be scheduled; Day 2 is better for that. Mary Wong:@Susan, @George, no that's not the case, there is no "one F2F meeting" limit per PDP. George Kirikos:I don't know if we can use it more than once....was just hypothesizing that some WGs might not get more than one shot. Philip Corwin:@george--Multitasking is an urban myth. The human brain can only really focus on one task at a time. Those who try to text and drive have discovered that to their detriment Mary Wong:@George, well, it's true that may be the case, but AFAIK the Council really wants to make sure our three big PDPs get enough work time during ICANN meetings. Mary Wong:@Phil, that's odd - we will look into it Terri Agnew:@Phil, checking on this George Kirikos:I sent Phil a test. George Kirikos:lol George Kirikos:You just need to click on the bottom tab, below this button, to access them. George Kirikos:(below this text, rather) Terri Agnew:@Phil, also, trying to change browsers sometime helps. As always, you can check your plug in's to make sure they don't need updated. I will resend this link to you Mary Wong:QUESTION/NOTE - for the extension of the Claims period beyond the mandatory minimum 90 days, that is just for Notices of Registered Name (NORN) from a registry to rights-holders, yes? Since it is registrars who provide the Claims Notice service to potential registrants. Jon Nevett:Phil, happy to answer questions about DPML on a subsequent call George Kirikos:If registry operators don't allow zone file access to others who might offer similar notification services (since they'd compete with the registry's offering), then one can see that there might be issues present.... George Kirikos:Greg has his hand up. Jeff Neuman:WE also need to understand the IP rights asserted by the owners of each of these services. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):all new gTLDs obliged to grant access to their zone files (when the requestor adds proper info to CZDS) Jeff Neuman:@Greg - Not sure I fully understand George Kirikos:There have been complaints from time to time, Maxim, that all registry operators aren't granting the access in a timely manner. Steve Levy:Wouldn't private RPMs only fall under the remit of the RAA? Mary Wong:@Greg, as I understand it, this WG will not be reviewing the merits of such individual additional RPMs George Kirikos:(e.g. DomainIncite has noted that from time to time) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@George , the timeframe is going to be limited in the next version of RA Kathy Kleiman:@Jeff - could you expand your question a bit? Steve Levy:Thanks for the correction! Mary Wong:The consideration will more likely be on the fact that they exist, although not consistently - so how does that affect our WG's review of the overall effectiveness of the RPMs. Greg Shatan:@Mary, I would hope that's the case, but the middle of page 2 has language that seems to indicate otherwise. Happy to be wrong on this one! Edward Morris:Without reviewing private uses of the TMCH we really can't fully review the TMCH itself. It certainly is under sope for our review. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@George , and some registries just auto approve all CZDS requests ... it is up to a particular registry - how to process the CZDS requests Greg Shatan:I'm all for "understanding" them. Just not for "reviewing" them the way we are mandated to "review" PDDRP, URS, TMCH, etc. Jon Nevett:any sunrise registration does that Phil Edward Morris:Correct, Geg, we are chartered to review the TMCH. his is a proper part of the review. Greg Shatan:@Mary, I'm referring to the sentence beginning "In addition to..." Edward Morris:Fully support Phil. Susan Payne:agree Phil Mary Wong:Note that it's beyond the scope of our Charter to review these additional services; however, it is within scope for us to review the overall effectiveness of the ICANN-mandated RPMs, and it seems incomplete without acknowledging and understanding the existence and use of these additional services (now that we know, versus when the TMCH was developed, that they do exist). Jeff Neuman:Ok, so we CAN review their implementations, but just not make recommendations to the existing providers of these services....it could impact future providers, just not the current ones? Marie Pattullo:Given that they exist, and given their cost, and given that some brand holders have chosen to use them, I think we can safely assume that some brand holders do like RPMs beyond the mandatory. So let's look at them. Greg Shatan:If we could using the word "review" to mean different things, that would be quite helpful. Greg Shatan:STOP using.... sorry. George Kirikos:If these are services that go through the RSEP process, it makes sense to review whether that RSEP review is thorough, balancing interests of all stakeholders, and not just rubber-stamping a wishlist by registry operators (many of which are grasping at straws to generate revenues, after pivoting from unsuccessful original business models). Edward Morris:@Marie. Which is not to say Registrants like them. WE are not here to pursue the unbalanced views of brand owners. George Kirikos:(which is hinted at on page 3 of the above document, last paragraph) Denise Michel:@Phil - I agree Mary Wong:@Greg, I would say "review" in our Charter context means "evaluate, with a view toward developing Consensus Policy recommendations". Greg Shatan:Brand owners are a significant part of the Registrant population. And I haven't heard any unbalanced views here. Jon Nevett:is this group going to look at the RSEP process now? Jon Nevett:that seems out of scope Mary Wong:Not within scope to evaluate RSEP Jon Nevett:relevance? Jeff Neuman:If a registry proposed doing this service in their initial application I am not sure that they needed to go through the RSEP to launch it. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):any new service offered by new gTLD registry most probably have to go through the RSEP process Denise Michel:@Phil - FYI RSEP evaluations only address security, stability, competition issues Jeff Neuman:@Denise - that is what it is supposed to be limited to. I will note for the record that through public comment many other services have had much more scrutiny. Mary Wong:@Kathy, I don't want to rephrase the transcript :) I will strike the note. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Denise, unfortunately the initial intent of RSEP ... is not in use anymore George Kirikos:Are we back to noon (Eastern) next week? Or 5 pm (Eastern)? Mary Wong:1700 UTC (noon Eastern) George Kirikos:Thanks Mary. Terri Agnew:The next Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group is scheduled for Wednesday, 18 January 2017 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes. Jon Nevett:I'll be in the air as well George Kirikos:Wifi on the plane? :-) Terri Agnew:FYI, Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group is scheduled for Wednesday, 25 January 2017 at 04:00 UTC for 60 minutes. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):until RSP PDP WG members are going to have a separate room at NamesCon ... it might be a good idea to shift the dare Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):date Mark Carvell UK GAC rep:I want to let you know that i have joined this important PDP WG as GAC member - very pleased to join and very mpressed with the focus on this call. Look forward to working with you all. David McAuley (RySG):bye all George Kirikos:We can shift to Asian prime time next week! :-) Marie Pattullo:Hi Mark! Mary Wong:Welcome, Mark! Susan Payne:thanks for joining us Mark Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@George , midnight calls are ...something Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Bye all Vinzenz Heussler:bye Mary Wong:Thanks Phil, Kathy, all Steve Levy:Bye! George Kirikos:I know, Maxim...the 4 am ones are brutal. George Kirikos:Bye folks. Jonathan Matkowsky:Bye folks!