Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches
Dear all: In response to a comment made on our call today suggesting that the attached, well drafted, proposal is a “comprehensive” representation of cybersquatting through non-exact matches, we offer a few additional examples: 1. Telescoped Terms: These variations leverage TLD extensions as part of an identical or non-exact match trademark. For example, COCA-CO.LA, SIE.MEN and NES.CAFE. 2. Related Brand Names: These variations either improperly attempt to use trademarks in a generic sense, or create consumer confusion concerning the relationship between two or more otherwise unrelated trademarks. For example, GOOGLELINKEDIN.COM. We are no longer surprised by the new and inventive ways cybersquatters develop each day to create consumer confusion online, and would strongly caution against any characterization as truly comprehensive. Thank you, Brian Brian J. Winterfeldt Co-Head of Global Brand Management and Internet Practice Mayer Brown LLP From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:12 PM To: gnso-rpm-wg Subject: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches All, As I've mentioned earlier, I think that a proposal to use non-exact matches other than "mark contained" matches ("dumb matches") makes sense to pursue. Various types of matches have been discussed; however, there has been no actual proposal for "smarter" matches that can be used by the group. The attached proposal seek to fill that gap. It is more in the nature of an addendum to the initial proposal on non-exact matches. However, it does provide a more formal proposal on the types of non-exact matches to be considered. The intent is to provide a sufficient framework to discuss these types of non-exact matches and to add these non-exact matches to the proposal. I hope that this helpful to the work of the group. Greg __________________________________________________________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Hi Brian, why should such "telescoped terms" be protected at all? To take but two of your examples: sie.men - Siemen is a Dutch name. Sie also means "You" formally in German. NES.cafe - So if I wanted to open a retro-style gaming cafe for the Nintendo Entertainment System, that would trigger your proposed protections? It seems to be assumed that if a string matches or is similar to a trademarked term, its registration equates to cybersquatting, but that is not the case. Such protections are overreaching and infringing on the ability of legitimate users of such strings. A trademark is only violated if the domain is used in a violating way or if the intent of the registration is to deprive or to extort from the trademark holder. ANY other use of the term is likely to be legitimate and should not in any way be made more difficult than any other domain registration. Best, Volker Am 31.05.2017 um 20:28 schrieb Winterfeldt, Brian J.:
Dear all:
In response to a comment made on our call today suggesting that the attached, well drafted, proposal is a “comprehensive” representation of cybersquatting through non-exact matches, we offer a few additional examples:
1.Telescoped Terms: These variations leverage TLD extensions as part of an identical or non-exact match trademark. For example, COCA-CO.LA, SIE.MEN and NES.CAFE.
2.Related Brand Names: These variations either improperly attempt to use trademarks in a generic sense, or create consumer confusion concerning the relationship between two or more otherwise unrelated trademarks. For example, GOOGLELINKEDIN.COM.
We are no longer surprised by the new and inventive ways cybersquatters develop each day to create consumer confusion online, and would strongly caution against any characterization as truly comprehensive.
Thank you,
Brian
*Brian J. Winterfeldt*
Co-Head of Global Brand Management and Internet Practice
Mayer Brown LLP
*From:*gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 10:12 PM *To:* gnso-rpm-wg *Subject:* [gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches
All,
As I've mentioned earlier, I think that a proposal to use non-exact matches other than "mark contained" matches ("dumb matches") makes sense to pursue. Various types of matches have been discussed; however, there has been no actual proposal for "smarter" matches that can be used by the group.
The attached proposal seek to fill that gap. It is more in the nature of an addendum to the initial proposal on non-exact matches. However, it does provide a more formal proposal on the types of non-exact matches to be considered. The intent is to provide a sufficient framework to discuss these types of non-exact matches and to add these non-exact matches to the proposal.
I hope that this helpful to the work of the group.
Greg
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Agreed, Volker. Brian W – were you suggesting that the two categories of additional inexact “matches” be included in the TMCH in addition to the categories Greg provided? On the second category (Related Brand Names) how would that play out in practice? Would we include every possible permutation of existing marks already contained in the TMCH? That would be quite the expansion of the TMCH. Would it just for somehow related fields/services and if so, who would make the determination for “related” marks? Thanks, Brian Brian Cimbolic Deputy General Counsel, Public Interest Registry Office: +1 703 889-5752| Mobile: + 1 571 385-7871| www.pir.org<http://www.pir.org/> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/PIRegistry> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/PIRegistry> | Instagram<http://instagram.com/PIRegistry> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/PIRegistry> Confidentiality Note: Proprietary and confidential to Public Interest Registry. If received in error, please inform sender and then delete. From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:04 AM To: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches Hi Brian, why should such "telescoped terms" be protected at all? To take but two of your examples: sie.men - Siemen is a Dutch name. Sie also means "You" formally in German. NES.cafe - So if I wanted to open a retro-style gaming cafe for the Nintendo Entertainment System, that would trigger your proposed protections? It seems to be assumed that if a string matches or is similar to a trademarked term, its registration equates to cybersquatting, but that is not the case. Such protections are overreaching and infringing on the ability of legitimate users of such strings. A trademark is only violated if the domain is used in a violating way or if the intent of the registration is to deprive or to extort from the trademark holder. ANY other use of the term is likely to be legitimate and should not in any way be made more difficult than any other domain registration. Best, Volker Am 31.05.2017 um 20:28 schrieb Winterfeldt, Brian J.: Dear all: In response to a comment made on our call today suggesting that the attached, well drafted, proposal is a “comprehensive” representation of cybersquatting through non-exact matches, we offer a few additional examples: 1. Telescoped Terms: These variations leverage TLD extensions as part of an identical or non-exact match trademark. For example, COCA-CO.LA, SIE.MEN and NES.CAFE. 1. Related Brand Names: These variations either improperly attempt to use trademarks in a generic sense, or create consumer confusion concerning the relationship between two or more otherwise unrelated trademarks. For example, GOOGLELINKEDIN.COM. We are no longer surprised by the new and inventive ways cybersquatters develop each day to create consumer confusion online, and would strongly caution against any characterization as truly comprehensive. Thank you, Brian Brian J. Winterfeldt Co-Head of Global Brand Management and Internet Practice Mayer Brown LLP From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:12 PM To: gnso-rpm-wg Subject: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches All, As I've mentioned earlier, I think that a proposal to use non-exact matches other than "mark contained" matches ("dumb matches") makes sense to pursue. Various types of matches have been discussed; however, there has been no actual proposal for "smarter" matches that can be used by the group. The attached proposal seek to fill that gap. It is more in the nature of an addendum to the initial proposal on non-exact matches. However, it does provide a more formal proposal on the types of non-exact matches to be considered. The intent is to provide a sufficient framework to discuss these types of non-exact matches and to add these non-exact matches to the proposal. I hope that this helpful to the work of the group. Greg __________________________________________________________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. _______________________________________________ gnso-rpm-wg mailing list gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. 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