Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] [Ext] RE: Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched
Hello Kristine, Thank you very much for letting us know. Yes, please be so kind to forward the link (GDD informed us that they would facilitate the communication about the survey directly with RySG/RrSG, but please forward the link if the communication hasn’t taken place yet; Analysis Group did not code the survey based on individual recipient and the link is the same/public). FYI - GDD investigated the issue that Maxim reported. They sent the survey to a different contact of Maxim’s registry, hence he did not receive the survey. It is likely a similar issue happened for Amazon, but we will confirm with GDD. Thank you! Ariel Ariel Xinyue Liang GNSO Policy Support Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) From: "Dorrain, Kristine" <dorraink@amazon.com> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 2:43 PM To: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba@gmail.com>, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched Ariel, As far as I can tell, only Amazon’s registrar got a survey. We actually fit all four categories. I’m replying on the list because I felt it was helpful for the group to know that the survey distribution might not be working properly. May I simply forward the link to the RySG or will that “break” any coding for Analysis Group? Thanks, Kristine From: gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Maxim Alzoba Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:30 AM To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched Dear Ariel, We have separate Primary contacts for each of 2 Registrars and another contact for 2 TLDs. (so 2 Registrar e-mail contacts and 1 TLD contact for 2 TLDs, so all of those 3 emails are different). Sincerely Yours, Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow) On 11 Sep 2018, at 18:38, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> wrote: Hello Maxim, GDD informed us that when they had the GSC send mass emails to both Registrars and Registries, they have them de-dup the list so that one person does not receive the same message numerous times. Yesterday, Analysis Group informed us that they have received close to a couple dozens of responses from Registries. Maxim – could you please confirm whether both of your Registry and Registrar use your email as the primary contact? If so, you would only get the announcement message once. If there are different emails used for your Registry and Registrar, we will ask GDD to investigate further. Please be so kind to let us know. Best Regards, Ariel Ariel Xinyue Liang GNSO Policy Support Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) From: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba@gmail.com<mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com>> Date: Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:54 PM To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched Dear Ariel, For some reason it seems to be that we have received the survey as Registrars but not as Registries (there were no e-mails from GDD for our TLDs) and it is strange. Could you check with GDD Team? Sincerely Yours, Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow) On 7 Sep 2018, at 03:59, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> wrote: Dear RPM Working Group members, Staff are happy to report that the Sunrise & Trademark Claims survey has been launched today and is scheduled to run until Friday, 28 September 2018. * Registry Operator: http://icannregistryoperators.cloudssi.com/login.html [icannregistryoperators.cloudssi.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icannregistryoperators.c...> * Registrar: http://icannregistrar.cloudssi.com/login.html [icannregistrar.cloudssi.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icannregistrar.cloudssi....> * Trademark Owner/Representative: http://icanntrademarkholders.cloudssi.com/login.html [icanntrademarkholders.cloudssi.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icanntrademarkholders.cl...> * Actual/Potential Registrant: https://online.ssisurveys.com/wix/p3964574.aspx?hSamp=1 [online.ssisurveys.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__online.ssisurveys.com_w...> The survey is being circulated according to the distribution plans jointly developed by the Data Sub Team, Analysis Group, and staff: https://community.icann.org/x/aQ9pBQ. In summary, the survey targeting actual/potential registrants would be promoted as widely as possible; the survey targeting registries, registrars, and trademark owners would be promoted using a targeted approach. According to the plans, the following activities were conducted today: * An announcement on GNSO website has been published: https://gnso.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-06sep18-en.htm [gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_annou...> * An ICANN.org [icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icann.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Fm...> announcement has been published (it features the actual/potential registrant survey, but makes reference to the others): https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2018-09-06-en [icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_anno...> * The GDD Team sent the survey announcement directly to their registry and registrar contacts, and circulated it with the CPH/RySG/RrSG. * The GNSO Secretariat Team, GSE Team, Analysis Group, and a few WG members (Brian Beckham, Lori Schulman, and Susan Payne) will help promote the survey inside and outside of ICANN. For instance, you should be able to see the survey announcement message being circulated on the mailing lists of various SOs/ACs/SGs/Cs shortly. External organizations would also be contacted to circulate the survey. * ICANN Comms Team will promote the survey on various social media channels tomorrow day time. Last, staff are sharing the Inception Report from Analysis Group. The Inception Report documents the work plan, proposed project schedule, survey targets, outreach plan, and final survey design and questions. Staff would like to thank the Data Sub Team members, especially Kristine Dorrain, Susan Payne, Michael Graham, and Rebecca Tushnet, who devoted tremendous amount of time and effort in developing and finalizing the survey in collaboration with Analysis Group. We also greatly appreciate the time and help from all the beta testers, who provided extensive and useful feedback! WG members are welcome to fill out the survey yourselves, if appropriate. Please also help promote the survey by sharing the web announcements, as well as social media posts from ICANN and GNSO’s channels. Analysis Group will monitor the response rates while the surveys are in the field. Again, big thanks to the members who have contributed to the Sunrise & Trademark Claims survey! Best Regards, Mary, Julie, Ariel & Berry
Hello Ariel, Just for clarity, The primary contact has not received it either. I think next time we might recommend to start communications with constituencies (most active participants of ICANN community usually read notices of their constituencies), and with individual contacts the same time. One of the issues of such surveys, sometimes they are not originated from ICANN. Sincerely Yours, Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow)
On 13 Sep 2018, at 21:50, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> wrote:
Hello Kristine,
Thank you very much for letting us know. Yes, please be so kind to forward the link (GDD informed us that they would facilitate the communication about the survey directly with RySG/RrSG, but please forward the link if the communication hasn’t taken place yet; Analysis Group did not code the survey based on individual recipient and the link is the same/public).
FYI - GDD investigated the issue that Maxim reported. They sent the survey to a different contact of Maxim’s registry, hence he did not receive the survey. It is likely a similar issue happened for Amazon, but we will confirm with GDD.
Thank you! Ariel
Ariel Xinyue Liang GNSO Policy Support Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
From: "Dorrain, Kristine" <dorraink@amazon.com <mailto:dorraink@amazon.com>> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 2:43 PM To: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba@gmail.com <mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com>>, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org <mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched
Ariel,
As far as I can tell, only Amazon’s registrar got a survey.
We actually fit all four categories. I’m replying on the list because I felt it was helpful for the group to know that the survey distribution might not be working properly.
May I simply forward the link to the RySG or will that “break” any coding for Analysis Group?
Thanks,
Kristine
From: gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Maxim Alzoba Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:30 AM To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org <mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched
Dear Ariel,
We have separate Primary contacts for each of 2 Registrars and another contact for 2 TLDs. (so 2 Registrar e-mail contacts and 1 TLD contact for 2 TLDs, so all of those 3 emails are different).
Sincerely Yours,
Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID
m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger
Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow)
On 11 Sep 2018, at 18:38, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org <mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> wrote:
Hello Maxim,
GDD informed us that when they had the GSC send mass emails to both Registrars and Registries, they have them de-dup the list so that one person does not receive the same message numerous times. Yesterday, Analysis Group informed us that they have received close to a couple dozens of responses from Registries.
Maxim – could you please confirm whether both of your Registry and Registrar use your email as the primary contact? If so, you would only get the announcement message once. If there are different emails used for your Registry and Registrar, we will ask GDD to investigate further. Please be so kind to let us know.
Best Regards, Ariel
Ariel Xinyue Liang GNSO Policy Support Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
From: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba@gmail.com <mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com>> Date: Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:54 PM To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org <mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched
Dear Ariel,
For some reason it seems to be that we have received the survey as Registrars but not as Registries (there were no e-mails from GDD for our TLDs) and it is strange.
Could you check with GDD Team?
Sincerely Yours,
Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID
m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger
Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow)
On 7 Sep 2018, at 03:59, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org <mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear RPM Working Group members,
Staff are happy to report that the Sunrise & Trademark Claims survey has been launched today and is scheduled to run until Friday, 28 September 2018. Registry Operator: http://icannregistryoperators.cloudssi.com/login.html [icannregistryoperators.cloudssi.com] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icannregistryoperators.c...> Registrar: http://icannregistrar.cloudssi.com/login.html [icannregistrar.cloudssi.com] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icannregistrar.cloudssi....> Trademark Owner/Representative: http://icanntrademarkholders.cloudssi.com/login.html [icanntrademarkholders.cloudssi.com] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icanntrademarkholders.cl...> Actual/Potential Registrant: https://online.ssisurveys.com/wix/p3964574.aspx?hSamp=1 [online.ssisurveys.com] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__online.ssisurveys.com_w...>
The survey is being circulated according to the distribution plans jointly developed by the Data Sub Team, Analysis Group, and staff: https://community.icann.org/x/aQ9pBQ <https://community.icann.org/x/aQ9pBQ>. In summary, the survey targeting actual/potential registrants would be promoted as widely as possible; the survey targeting registries, registrars, and trademark owners would be promoted using a targeted approach.
According to the plans, the following activities were conducted today: An announcement on GNSO website has been published: https://gnso.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-06sep18-en.htm [gnso.icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_annou...> An ICANN.org [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icann.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Fm...> announcement has been published (it features the actual/potential registrant survey, but makes reference to the others): https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2018-09-06-en [icann.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_anno...> The GDD Team sent the survey announcement directly to their registry and registrar contacts, and circulated it with the CPH/RySG/RrSG. The GNSO Secretariat Team, GSE Team, Analysis Group, and a few WG members (Brian Beckham, Lori Schulman, and Susan Payne) will help promote the survey inside and outside of ICANN. For instance, you should be able to see the survey announcement message being circulated on the mailing lists of various SOs/ACs/SGs/Cs shortly. External organizations would also be contacted to circulate the survey. ICANN Comms Team will promote the survey on various social media channels tomorrow day time.
Last, staff are sharing the Inception Report from Analysis Group. The Inception Report documents the work plan, proposed project schedule, survey targets, outreach plan, and final survey design and questions.
Staff would like to thank the Data Sub Team members, especially Kristine Dorrain, Susan Payne, Michael Graham, and Rebecca Tushnet, who devoted tremendous amount of time and effort in developing and finalizing the survey in collaboration with Analysis Group. We also greatly appreciate the time and help from all the beta testers, who provided extensive and useful feedback!
WG members are welcome to fill out the survey yourselves, if appropriate. Please also help promote the survey by sharing the web announcements, as well as social media posts from ICANN and GNSO’s channels.
Analysis Group will monitor the response rates while the surveys are in the field. Again, big thanks to the members who have contributed to the Sunrise & Trademark Claims survey!
Best Regards, Mary, Julie, Ariel & Berry
Hello Maxim, Thank you for the additional information/clarification. Analysis Group has been monitoring the response rate. We plan to reach out to RySG and RrSG Secretariat (also other SO/AC/SG/C groups) to send reminders of the survey and call for more responses. We hope this effort would be support by the WG members, and we would also appreciate WG members to encourage your fellow colleagues to fill out the survey. Thank you! Mary, Julie, Ariel & Berry From: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba@gmail.com> Date: Friday, September 14, 2018 at 9:08 AM To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org> Cc: "Dorrain, Kristine" <dorraink@amazon.com>, "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched Hello Ariel, Just for clarity, The primary contact has not received it either. I think next time we might recommend to start communications with constituencies (most active participants of ICANN community usually read notices of their constituencies), and with individual contacts the same time. One of the issues of such surveys, sometimes they are not originated from ICANN. Sincerely Yours, Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow) On 13 Sep 2018, at 21:50, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> wrote: Hello Kristine, Thank you very much for letting us know. Yes, please be so kind to forward the link (GDD informed us that they would facilitate the communication about the survey directly with RySG/RrSG, but please forward the link if the communication hasn’t taken place yet; Analysis Group did not code the survey based on individual recipient and the link is the same/public). FYI - GDD investigated the issue that Maxim reported. They sent the survey to a different contact of Maxim’s registry, hence he did not receive the survey. It is likely a similar issue happened for Amazon, but we will confirm with GDD. Thank you! Ariel Ariel Xinyue Liang GNSO Policy Support Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) From: "Dorrain, Kristine" <dorraink@amazon.com<mailto:dorraink@amazon.com>> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 2:43 PM To: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba@gmail.com<mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com>>, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched Ariel, As far as I can tell, only Amazon’s registrar got a survey. We actually fit all four categories. I’m replying on the list because I felt it was helpful for the group to know that the survey distribution might not be working properly. May I simply forward the link to the RySG or will that “break” any coding for Analysis Group? Thanks, Kristine From: gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Maxim Alzoba Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:30 AM To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched Dear Ariel, We have separate Primary contacts for each of 2 Registrars and another contact for 2 TLDs. (so 2 Registrar e-mail contacts and 1 TLD contact for 2 TLDs, so all of those 3 emails are different). Sincerely Yours, Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow) On 11 Sep 2018, at 18:38, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> wrote: Hello Maxim, GDD informed us that when they had the GSC send mass emails to both Registrars and Registries, they have them de-dup the list so that one person does not receive the same message numerous times. Yesterday, Analysis Group informed us that they have received close to a couple dozens of responses from Registries. Maxim – could you please confirm whether both of your Registry and Registrar use your email as the primary contact? If so, you would only get the announcement message once. If there are different emails used for your Registry and Registrar, we will ask GDD to investigate further. Please be so kind to let us know. Best Regards, Ariel Ariel Xinyue Liang GNSO Policy Support Specialist Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) From: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba@gmail.com<mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com>> Date: Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:54 PM To: Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Sunrise & Trademark Claims Survey Launched Dear Ariel, For some reason it seems to be that we have received the survey as Registrars but not as Registries (there were no e-mails from GDD for our TLDs) and it is strange. Could you check with GDD Team? Sincerely Yours, Maxim Alzoba Special projects manager, International Relations Department, FAITID m. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp) skype oldfrogger Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow) On 7 Sep 2018, at 03:59, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang@icann.org<mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org>> wrote: Dear RPM Working Group members, Staff are happy to report that the Sunrise & Trademark Claims survey has been launched today and is scheduled to run until Friday, 28 September 2018. * Registry Operator: http://icannregistryoperators.cloudssi.com/login.html [icannregistryoperators.cloudssi.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icannregistryoperators.c...> * Registrar: http://icannregistrar.cloudssi.com/login.html [icannregistrar.cloudssi.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icannregistrar.cloudssi....> * Trademark Owner/Representative: http://icanntrademarkholders.cloudssi.com/login.html [icanntrademarkholders.cloudssi.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icanntrademarkholders.cl...> * Actual/Potential Registrant: https://online.ssisurveys.com/wix/p3964574.aspx?hSamp=1 [online.ssisurveys.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__online.ssisurveys.com_w...> The survey is being circulated according to the distribution plans jointly developed by the Data Sub Team, Analysis Group, and staff: https://community.icann.org/x/aQ9pBQ. In summary, the survey targeting actual/potential registrants would be promoted as widely as possible; the survey targeting registries, registrars, and trademark owners would be promoted using a targeted approach. According to the plans, the following activities were conducted today: * An announcement on GNSO website has been published: https://gnso.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-06sep18-en.htm [gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_annou...> * An ICANN.org [icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__icann.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=Fm...> announcement has been published (it features the actual/potential registrant survey, but makes reference to the others): https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2018-09-06-en [icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_anno...> * The GDD Team sent the survey announcement directly to their registry and registrar contacts, and circulated it with the CPH/RySG/RrSG. * The GNSO Secretariat Team, GSE Team, Analysis Group, and a few WG members (Brian Beckham, Lori Schulman, and Susan Payne) will help promote the survey inside and outside of ICANN. For instance, you should be able to see the survey announcement message being circulated on the mailing lists of various SOs/ACs/SGs/Cs shortly. External organizations would also be contacted to circulate the survey. * ICANN Comms Team will promote the survey on various social media channels tomorrow day time. Last, staff are sharing the Inception Report from Analysis Group. The Inception Report documents the work plan, proposed project schedule, survey targets, outreach plan, and final survey design and questions. Staff would like to thank the Data Sub Team members, especially Kristine Dorrain, Susan Payne, Michael Graham, and Rebecca Tushnet, who devoted tremendous amount of time and effort in developing and finalizing the survey in collaboration with Analysis Group. We also greatly appreciate the time and help from all the beta testers, who provided extensive and useful feedback! WG members are welcome to fill out the survey yourselves, if appropriate. Please also help promote the survey by sharing the web announcements, as well as social media posts from ICANN and GNSO’s channels. Analysis Group will monitor the response rates while the surveys are in the field. Again, big thanks to the members who have contributed to the Sunrise & Trademark Claims survey! Best Regards, Mary, Julie, Ariel & Berry
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