Marika Konings:Welcome to the PI Principles Sub-Team meeting of 19 December 2013

  Julia Charvolen:Dear all, please note that the Adobe Connect is has no audio connected, in order to participate in the meeting please be so kind to dial int the phone bridge

  Julia Charvolen:Passcode: PI

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:ok  but why not??  and I assume I have dialout?

  Mary Wong:Cheryl, we are dialing out to you very shortly.

  Greg Shatan:I am now on the phone bridge.

  Julia Charvolen:Thomas Barett is on the call

  Julia Charvolen:Avri Doria joined the adobe connect

  Julia Charvolen:Avri has not yet joined the phone bridge

  Avri Doria:oh, we dont have voice.  very welll, will find the phone.

  Julia Charvolen:Thank you Avri

  Julia Charvolen:Passcode : PI

  Julia Charvolen:Avri Doria joined the phone bridge

  Michael R. Graham:Is there a reason for specifying "PRIMARY stakeholders" ?

  Greg Shatan:Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our four...no... amongst our weapons.... amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

  Nic Steinbach:"all" as opposed to "the primary"?

  Michael R. Graham:I would also remove the "such as" perhaps?

  Greg Shatan:Easy for you to say.

  Michael R. Graham:@Greg . . . Agreed!

  Jonathan Frost:I might say "among others" at the end of the list

  Jonathan Frost:do make it clear that the list is nto intended to be exhaustive

  Nic Steinbach:unfortunately I am going to have to jump off this call. good luck with the rest of this call. i look forward to catching up on the recording.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agree with you Jonathan

  Michael R. Graham:@Gregory Perhaps, but cutlery can help define the experience.

  Greg Shatan:@Michael ; agreed, but the restaurant has to be open for anyone to have any kind of experience....

  Marika Konings:I've put the whole first paragraph now there

  Michael R. Graham:Could we change "A stakeholder refers" to read: "'Stakeholder' refers to"?

  Michael R. Graham:I know the Definitions sub-team has a good amount on its plate without doing so, but would it be useful for it to consider refining a definition of "Multi-Stakeholder Model" if it has time?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:guess so Michael as long as it is limted  to an ICANN context

  Avri Doria:of course now we also speak of administrtion, wtch more and more things get grouped under administration.

  Jonathan Frost:I agree with strengthening the must.

  Michael R. Graham:Agree -- tough "are" means they must or they are not proper GNSO processes.

  Michael R. Graham:Sorry, meant "Although" not "tough"

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Seasons Greetings to you all talk next year :-)