Dear All, The next Policy and Implementation Principles Sub-Team is scheduled for Thursday 23 January 2014 at 2100 UTC for 90 minutes. Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working Principles Sub-Team call held on Thursday 16 January 2014 at 21:00 UTC: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/db48tii1okzvod3htaby.mp3 Attendees: Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Chuck Gomes- RySG Nic Steinbach- RrSG Michael Graham - IPC Alan Greenberg - At-Large Avri Doria - NCSG Tom Barrett - RrSG Apology: J.Scott Evans - BC ICANN staff: Mary Wong Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine For GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 16 January 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Policy & Implementation Principles (0B) Sub-Team meeting on the 16th January 2014 at 21:00 UTC Cheryl Langdon-Orr:understood Nic Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes Michael we could expand text toclarify Cheryl Langdon-Orr:add it elsewhere Cheryl Langdon-Orr:either works but prefer - Nic Steinbach:if you ordered it that way you could get rid of "the process" Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup Nathalie Peregrine:Alan Greenberg has joined the AC room Alan Greenberg:Listening but on in a moment Michael Graham -- Gnosis IP:Policy Development Processes must function in a bottom-up manner, and the process must not be conducted in a top-down manner and then imposed on stakeholders, although an exceptio may be made in emergency cases . . . Alan Greenberg:Will be on in a moment. Will have a comment Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup itcomes out of matters identified in Imp this goes to Michaels earlier point Michael Graham -- Gnosis IP:Trying to pull it into a single sentence and relate all three elements. ("exception") Nathalie Peregrine:Alan is on the birdge Cheryl Langdon-Orr:ergh Cheryl Langdon-Orr:to what Alan lssharing Cheryl Langdon-Orr:footnote works but deffinition needs to go back to deffinitios list/st at least for ratification Nathalie Peregrine:Avri Doria has joined the room Avri Doria:Apologies. I forgot. Cheryl Langdon-Orr:exactly Michael Cheryl Langdon-Orr:~could we use thetermChartering Organisation? Avri Doria:i cant read the screen at all Avri Doria:i can when i do full screen. Avri Doria:for any policy we don't have. i think this answer must be imposed. Avri Doria:any policy we dont have we will create. Avri Doria:nd the general principle is it comes back to the group that made the policy Avri Doria:otherwise. they could decide tthat it only related to some other group and the gnso never even gets notified. it MUST come back to the GNSO Alan Greenberg:Mary, I think that we need to take the "In all cases..." phrase and make it s single bullt. Avri Doria:CLO, if this was a general policy, i would agree. Mary Wong 2:Alan, are you referring to the new third bullet I just created? Alan Greenberg:No, the in all cases one. That is the simple part that none of us are debating. Avri Doria:that is why it comes back to the council Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Nathalie switching to mobile now dial out in say 2 mins Nathalie Peregrine:ok thanks Cheryl Nathalie Peregrine:We're trying to dial out to Cheryl's mobile and getting voicemail, I will let you know when she is back on the bridge Michael Graham -- Gnosis IP:I'm going to have to sign off -- will check the MP3. Nathalie Peregrine:Cheryl is back on Michael Graham -- Gnosis IP:I believe the Principle should be generally that the Implementation Process should not address Policy issues that may arise during their work. Sorry I have to go -- Avri Doria:i think it is a fantasy that issue werren't discussed. the understanidng is usually missing. Nathalie Peregrine:Tom Barrett has joined the AC room Nic Steinbach:I am going to have to step away for 10 minutes, but will remain in the room. Avri Doria:anything that is not derivative may mean it needs to be added to the chapeau Avri Doria:assuming i dont forget and get there late enough to only have an hour