Well, If that is true, then we have a terminology problem, and the document should define what entity or data portion is referred to for each of
the contact types...
Alex
Von: Michele Neylon - Blacknight [mailto:michele@blacknight.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 14:04
An: Alexander Mayrhofer; Gustavo Lozano; gtld-tech@icann.org
Cc: Fabien Betremieux
Betreff: RE: [gtld-tech] Draft Updated WHOIS Clarification Advisory v.20141209
Alex
Registrant contact and administrative contact have different meanings and powers under the ICANN policies, so I’m not sure
which one it should be, but it cannot be changed arbitrarily
Regards
Michele
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From:
gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org]
On Behalf Of Alexander Mayrhofer
Sent: 11 December 2014 12:54
To: Gustavo Lozano; gtld-tech@icann.org
Cc: Fabien Betremieux
Subject: Re: [gtld-tech] Draft Updated WHOIS Clarification Advisory v.20141209
Gustavo, Fabien,
thanks for the update, and for addressing some of the issues that we discussed. I have reviewed the current draft version, and my feedback is as
follows:
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MINOR: I.1 could still be improved regarding the seperation between registries and registrars. Since the Section title says that the clarification applies to
both registries and registrars, and the clarification mentions both Agreements, this could be misinterpreted as that both parties have to show all fields from both agreements – which is not intended, as i understood. Adding something like “section 1.4.2 of
the RDDS spec of the 2013 RAA (applicable to Registrars only) ..” would make it clear with minimal text impact.
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MINOR: Furthermore, I.1 just mentions section 1.5 of the Registry Agreement (which contains the domain object example), but does not mention 1.6 and 1.7 of the
Agreement (which contains examples of the registrar and nameserver objecT). Is that intentional? Clarification I.13 for example mentions all three sections...
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MAJOR: I.27 “Domain Name registrations MUST have one and only one administrative contact” is either badly written, or goes beyond the ICANN-defined purpose of
the document, because “Domain Name Registrations” in my opinion would also concern the input side (EPP), so that would be beyond scope of the WHOIS clarifications. I don’t see that requirement in the Registry agreement, and also EPP allows several “admin-c”
contact – furthermore, as discussed in Honolulu, several Registry operator do allow more than one admin-c. Therefore, my assumption is that this should read either:
o
“_WHOIS output of_ Domain Name Registrations MUST have one and only one administrative contact” (in case it was really intended to limit the admin-c output
to one instance, as discussed in HNL), or
o
“Domain Name registrations MUST have one and only one _registrant_ contact” (which would be in-line with the EPP input side, but seems like a redundant
requirement then)
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MEDIUM: I.28/I.30/I.32 – i’m confused by the reference to I.28, because there doesn’t seem to be much of a choice in whether or not to implement I.28 (“MUST
NOT”)? So, given that there is no choice in I.28, that means that any registry has to implement I.30 (and no registry can implement I.32). That means that I.30 seems to be a new requirement? Given that Gustavo and Francisco said that there is no intention
to add new requirements via the clarifications, this should probably be changed/clarified.
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MEDIUM: I.34 seems to be a new requirement as well. I do understand, however, that since this is just a SHOULD, registries can elect to not support that new
type of query? Particularly, since (as described below), the authoritative source for any information about an IANA-registered registrar should be IANA / ICANN itself, rather than the individual registries...
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More on a general note, i’m confused why registries are required to supply such rich information for Registrars (including several contacts). Essentially, information
in the registry WHOIS could be reduced to displaying the IANA ID (and maybe the name, WHOIS server and registrar URL for convenience), because the set of registrars in all registries is defined to be a subset of the IANA registrar registry anyways, and hence
authoritative data can be fetched from the Registrar’s own WHOIS, or even IANA and/or ICANN itself..
tia,
Alex
Von:
gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org]
Im Auftrag von Gustavo Lozano
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2014 01:41
An: gtld-tech@icann.org
Cc: Fabien Betremieux
Betreff: [gtld-tech] Draft Updated WHOIS Clarification Advisory v.20141209
Hello colleagues,
Attached you will find the Draft Updated WHOIS Clarification Advisory. Two versions are provided for your reference: clean version and redline against the original
advisory (v 1.0) as published on 12 September 2014 (https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/registry-agreement-spec4-raa-rdds-2014-09-12-en).
This draft version incorporates feedback gathered from various contracted parties, cases/emails sent to ICANN, the WHOIS Clarification Advisory meeting held at
IETF 91 in November, and feedback sent to the gtld-tech mailing list.
A conference call, with the objective of gathering feedback on this draft version, will take place on Tuesday 16 December 2014. If you want to participate in
the conference call, please send me an email to
fabien.betremieux@icann.org.
Please send any feedback or questions you have on this version of the advisory to the mailing list as soon as possible, in order for ICANN Staff to discuss internally
and provide an answer during the conference call.
It's important to remember:
* This advisory is not meant to create new requirements for contracted parties.
* This advisory is not meant to redefine the WHOIS protocol.
* This advisory resulted from questions sent by contracted and third parties seeking clarification on the Whois (RDDS) requirements in the New gTLD base RA and
2013 RAA.
Regards,
Gustavo
ICANN