Update to reserved names list for new gTLDs
Colleagues, This is a heads up that we have updated the list of reserved names for new gTLDs at http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reserved Formal notifications to contracted parties will go out shortly. Regards, -- Francisco Arias gTLD Registry Technical Liaison ICANN PGP: 1FDE 819F 7BEC 1CB2 127E EE54 9A4D 337B D510 E397
Hi Francisco, can/do you provide this list in the proposed csv-like format too: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lozano-tmch-func-spec-07#page-30 so we can use it as input for registry tests? Thank you Andreas On 09/18/2013 07:02 PM, Francisco Arias wrote:
Colleagues,
This is a heads up that we have updated the list of reserved names for new gTLDs at http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reserved
Formal notifications to contracted parties will go out shortly.
Regards,
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Hi Francisco, I note that Specification 5 of the Registry Agreement <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/agreement-approved-02jul13-en.pd...> also includes references to the following external documents: Clause 4.1: Short Names in English from ISO 3166 <http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes.htm> Clause 4.2: United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names, Technical Reference Manual for the Standardization of Geographical Names, Part III Names of Countries of the World - which I found at <http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/ungegn/docs/pubs/UNGEGN%20tech%20ref%20ma...> Clause 4.3: the list of United Nations member states in 6 official United Nations languages prepared by the Working Group on Country Names of the United Nations Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names - which I found at <http://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/reserved-names/ReservedNam...> Would it be possible for ICANN to confirm that the URLs listed above are the correct sources for these documents? While it's very easy to extract useful data from ISO-3166, the two PDF documents I found are a different matter. Copying and pasting text (especially non-ASCII text) out of a PDF is potentially risky: when I tried using Adobe Reader on Mac OS X I had very little luck, getting either nothing at all or a series of junk characters. Given the quantity of data that needs to be extracted or transcribed (given 193 UN member states, there are there 1,351 different strings that must be extracted), and the potential risk that would result in error or omission, does ICANN intend to prepare a full list of these strings for our use? If not, are Registry Operators expected to do this themselves? Has ICANN considered the likely consequences of confusion caused by differences in the availability of names caused by different Registry Operators using different lists? Regards, Gavin. On 18/09/2013 18:02, Francisco Arias wrote:
Colleagues,
This is a heads up that we have updated the list of reserved names for new gTLDs at http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reserved
Formal notifications to contracted parties will go out shortly.
Regards,
-- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Gavin Brown wrote:
While it's very easy to extract useful data from ISO-3166, the two PDF documents I found are a different matter.
Copying and pasting text (especially non-ASCII text) out of a PDF is potentially risky: when I tried using Adobe Reader on Mac OS X I had very little luck, getting either nothing at all or a series of junk characters.
You'll find that some of these documents simply won't allow you to cut & paste what you want, because parts of the text have been converted to bitmaps inside the document. Best regards -lem
On 19/09/2013 12:48, Luis Muñoz wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Gavin Brown wrote:
While it's very easy to extract useful data from ISO-3166, the two PDF documents I found are a different matter.
Copying and pasting text (especially non-ASCII text) out of a PDF is potentially risky: when I tried using Adobe Reader on Mac OS X I had very little luck, getting either nothing at all or a series of junk characters.
You'll find that some of these documents simply won't allow you to cut & paste what you want, because parts of the text have been converted to bitmaps inside the document.
So the text will be have to be manually transcribed - by someone competent in each of the six official UN languages (or six people competent in one of the languages). Multiply that effort by N registry operators/backend operators, and that's an awful lot of unreliable, lossy, duplicated work. G. -- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR.
I second Gavin's request. Can ICANN please provide an authoritative list of the reserved names in a single consistent readable form based on what is defined in Specification 5 of the Registry Agreement <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/agreement-approved-02jul13-en. pdf>? -- JG James Gould Principal Software Engineer jgould@verisign.com 703-948-3271 (Office) 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com On 9/19/13 8:15 AM, "Gavin Brown" <gavin.brown@centralnic.com> wrote:
On 19/09/2013 12:48, Luis Muñoz wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Gavin Brown wrote:
While it's very easy to extract useful data from ISO-3166, the two PDF documents I found are a different matter.
Copying and pasting text (especially non-ASCII text) out of a PDF is potentially risky: when I tried using Adobe Reader on Mac OS X I had very little luck, getting either nothing at all or a series of junk characters.
You'll find that some of these documents simply won't allow you to cut & paste what you want, because parts of the text have been converted to bitmaps inside the document.
So the text will be have to be manually transcribed - by someone competent in each of the six official UN languages (or six people competent in one of the languages).
Multiply that effort by N registry operators/backend operators, and that's an awful lot of unreliable, lossy, duplicated work.
G.
-- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/
CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR.
This was a topic discussed by the New TLD Applicant Group and Registry Stakeholder Group who all agree that we need this list from ICANN. ICANN - Please advise as to when you all can provide the authoritative list that you will hold registries accountable to? Any discretion left to the operators will be a disaster from a compliance perspective and places an unfair and unrealistic burden on the registries. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs -----Original Message----- From: gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Gould, James Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:28 AM To: Gavin Brown; Luis Muñoz Cc: gTLD-tech@icann.org Subject: Re: [gtld-tech] Update to reserved names list for new gTLDs I second Gavin's request. Can ICANN please provide an authoritative list of the reserved names in a single consistent readable form based on what is defined in Specification 5 of the Registry Agreement <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/agreement-approved-02jul13-en. pdf>? -- JG James Gould Principal Software Engineer jgould@verisign.com 703-948-3271 (Office) 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com On 9/19/13 8:15 AM, "Gavin Brown" <gavin.brown@centralnic.com> wrote:
On 19/09/2013 12:48, Luis Muñoz wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:33 AM, Gavin Brown wrote:
While it's very easy to extract useful data from ISO-3166, the two PDF documents I found are a different matter.
Copying and pasting text (especially non-ASCII text) out of a PDF is potentially risky: when I tried using Adobe Reader on Mac OS X I had very little luck, getting either nothing at all or a series of junk characters.
You'll find that some of these documents simply won't allow you to cut & paste what you want, because parts of the text have been converted to bitmaps inside the document.
So the text will be have to be manually transcribed - by someone competent in each of the six official UN languages (or six people competent in one of the languages).
Multiply that effort by N registry operators/backend operators, and that's an awful lot of unreliable, lossy, duplicated work.
G.
-- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/
CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR.
This was a topic discussed by the New TLD Applicant Group and Registry Stakeholder Group who all agree that we need this list from ICANN. ICANN - Please advise as to when you all can provide the authoritative list that you will hold registries accountable to? Any discretion left to the operators will be a disaster from a compliance perspective and places an unfair and unrealistic burden on the registries. And if you are asking this, you should also realise that the names of the countries do change over time [1]. The short names do change less then the long names but they do. You might want to ask ICANN how to deal with the changed information that as well. jaap [1] See http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes/updates_on_iso_3166.htm
Hi, Just a note. We are getting indications that this is just a temporary list, and that once the GNSO IGO/INGO WG submits its report, the list may be revised. Of course that may just be wishful thinking. avri On 19 Sep 2013, at 08:59, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote:
This was a topic discussed by the New TLD Applicant Group and Registry Stakeholder Group who all agree that we need this list from ICANN.
ICANN - Please advise as to when you all can provide the authoritative list that you will hold registries accountable to? Any discretion left to the operators will be a disaster from a compliance perspective and places an unfair and unrealistic burden on the registries.
And if you are asking this, you should also realise that the names of the countries do change over time [1]. The short names do change less then the long names but they do. You might want to ask ICANN how to deal with the changed information that as well.
jaap
[1] See http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes/updates_on_iso_3166.htm
Jaap, Good point. My recommendation is to have a set of versioned authoritative lists (e.g. ReservedNames-1.0.xml, ReservedName-1.1.xml, ReservedNames-2.0.xml) of reserved names and associated meta-data, available in a single place (e.g. http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reserved), in a single consistent machine readable form (e.g. XML), based on what is defined in Specification 5 of the Registry Agreement. Any changes to country names or any other dependent source would result in a new version of the authoritative list that is published to the site for use by the registries. -- JG James Gould Principal Software Engineer jgould@verisign.com 703-948-3271 (Office) 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com On 9/19/13 8:59 AM, "Jaap Akkerhuis" <jaap@NLnetLabs.nl> wrote:
This was a topic discussed by the New TLD Applicant Group and Registry Stakeholder Group who all agree that we need this list from ICANN.
ICANN - Please advise as to when you all can provide the authoritative list that you will hold registries accountable to? Any discretion left to the operators will be a disaster from a compliance perspective and places an unfair and unrealistic burden on the registries.
And if you are asking this, you should also realise that the names of the countries do change over time [1]. The short names do change less then the long names but they do. You might want to ask ICANN how to deal with the changed information that as well.
jaap
[1] See http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes/updates_on_iso_3166.ht m
On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Gould, James wrote:
I second Gavin's request. Can ICANN please provide an authoritative list of the reserved names in a single consistent readable form based on what is defined in Specification 5 of the Registry Agreement <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/agreement-approved-02jul13-en. pdf>?
Thirded :-) -lem
We have some new gTLDs delegated now - presumably someone has had to sit down and generate this list by now? Has ICANN provided it to those operators who've been delegated? G. On 19/09/2013 09:33, Gavin Brown wrote:
Hi Francisco,
I note that Specification 5 of the Registry Agreement <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/agreement-approved-02jul13-en.pd...> also includes references to the following external documents:
Clause 4.1: Short Names in English from ISO 3166 <http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes.htm>
Clause 4.2: United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names, Technical Reference Manual for the Standardization of Geographical Names, Part III Names of Countries of the World - which I found at <http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/ungegn/docs/pubs/UNGEGN%20tech%20ref%20ma...>
Clause 4.3: the list of United Nations member states in 6 official United Nations languages prepared by the Working Group on Country Names of the United Nations Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names - which I found at <http://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/reserved-names/ReservedNam...>
Would it be possible for ICANN to confirm that the URLs listed above are the correct sources for these documents?
While it's very easy to extract useful data from ISO-3166, the two PDF documents I found are a different matter.
Copying and pasting text (especially non-ASCII text) out of a PDF is potentially risky: when I tried using Adobe Reader on Mac OS X I had very little luck, getting either nothing at all or a series of junk characters.
Given the quantity of data that needs to be extracted or transcribed (given 193 UN member states, there are there 1,351 different strings that must be extracted), and the potential risk that would result in error or omission, does ICANN intend to prepare a full list of these strings for our use?
If not, are Registry Operators expected to do this themselves? Has ICANN considered the likely consequences of confusion caused by differences in the availability of names caused by different Registry Operators using different lists?
Regards,
Gavin.
On 18/09/2013 18:02, Francisco Arias wrote:
Colleagues,
This is a heads up that we have updated the list of reserved names for new gTLDs at http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reserved
Formal notifications to contracted parties will go out shortly.
Regards,
-- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR.
We have asked precisely this question to ICANN (noting that ICANN has their own "Languages Services" department, so they should have experts for all the UN languages available), and got the following response on Nov 19. (2013, that is ;) ): "ICANN is looking into developing such a list, as resources are available. In the meantime, registries should develop their own method for implementing the requirements in Spec 5. Registries should be conservative (e.g., reserve both equatorial-guinea and equatorialguinea)." We read this as: "Go ahead and do what you think is sensible to fulfill the requirement, but don't expect an official list anytime soon". But, i do agree with Gavin that it would be great if one of the already delegated TLDs could share the list they've been using... thanks, Alex
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Gavin Brown Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. November 2013 16:03 An: gTLD-tech@icann.org Betreff: Re: [gtld-tech] Update to reserved names list for new gTLDs
We have some new gTLDs delegated now - presumably someone has had to sit down and generate this list by now? Has ICANN provided it to those operators who've been delegated?
G.
On 19/09/2013 09:33, Gavin Brown wrote:
Hi Francisco,
I note that Specification 5 of the Registry Agreement <http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/agreement-approved- 02jul1 3-en.pdf> also includes references to the following external documents:
Clause 4.1: Short Names in English from ISO 3166 <http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes.htm>
Clause 4.2: United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names, Technical Reference Manual for the Standardization of Geographical Names, Part III Names of Countries of the World - which I found at
<http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/ungegn/docs/pubs/UNGEGN%20tech %20r
ef%20manual_m87_combined.pdf>
Clause 4.3: the list of United Nations member states in 6 official United Nations languages prepared by the Working Group on Country Names of the United Nations Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names - which I found at <http://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/reserved- names/Rese rvedNames.xml>
Would it be possible for ICANN to confirm that the URLs listed above are the correct sources for these documents?
While it's very easy to extract useful data from ISO-3166, the two PDF documents I found are a different matter.
Copying and pasting text (especially non-ASCII text) out of a PDF is potentially risky: when I tried using Adobe Reader on Mac OS X I had very little luck, getting either nothing at all or a series of junk characters.
Given the quantity of data that needs to be extracted or transcribed (given 193 UN member states, there are there 1,351 different strings that must be extracted), and the potential risk that would result in error or omission, does ICANN intend to prepare a full list of these strings for our use?
If not, are Registry Operators expected to do this themselves? Has ICANN considered the likely consequences of confusion caused by differences in the availability of names caused by different Registry Operators using different lists?
Regards,
Gavin.
On 18/09/2013 18:02, Francisco Arias wrote:
Colleagues,
This is a heads up that we have updated the list of reserved names for new gTLDs at http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reserved
Formal notifications to contracted parties will go out shortly.
Regards,
-- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/
CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR.
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