Dear
All ..
As
one of those who have attended the ‘consensus building’ discussion during the
coffee break after the meeting, allow me to clarify that more than 10 ICG
members joined the discussion and almost everyone agreed
that:
-
Utmost
efforts should be exerted to reach consensus ..
-
Not
reaching consensus would weaken the proposal submitted to the
NTIA
-
A
situation where one person can block the whole process should be
avoided
-
Minority
views, no matter how few, should be evaluated qualitatively (based on the merit
of the objections) not quantitatively (based on the number of objections)
-
Consensus
here refers to decisions related to the handling and assembling of submitted
proposals not decisions related to approval/disapproval of content of the
proposals (which if needed may then be referred back to the relevant
communities)
ICG
members who were present agreed in principle on the proposal suggested by Mr
Arasteh, which basically:
-
Stresses
the need for reaching consensus
-
Delete
the controversial minority/quorum part of the text from this
part
-
Defer
decision on how to handle the unlikely situation of not being able to reach a
consensus way forward, to be decided upon on a case by case
basis
-
List
examples of alternative means that ICG may choose to follow .. this includes the
text on minority as well as the IETF document, circulated by Jari, that
describes the rough consensus process, particularly how to deal with different
opinions
So
apologies to those who were not in the room and did not have the chance to
attend ..
Hope
this summary, subject to corrections or additions by other present colleagues,
provides the necessary background to put us all on the same page
..
Thanks
to Mr Arasteh for the suggested text and to all ICG members who were present for
the constructive exchange ..
Kind
Regards
--Manal
From:
internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On
Behalf Of Mary Uduma
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:21
AM
To: Jari Arkko; Kavouss Arasteh
Cc:
ICG
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion
Jari
, Arasteh and All,
Kindly
make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with correct documents.
I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when
Alice's mail came in with the old version of the document. It is a bit
confusing.
I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and formulations,
please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are
errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of
the proposal to NTIA is with each of the communities.
In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits
and remove some redundant words and paragraphs like:
1. Purpose:
" Laison "
should read 'Liaison' in the second paragraph.
2. Individual/Group Behavior and
Norms:
Last paragraph 1st sentence should
read :
Public comments received as a result of any forum held by the ICG in relation to
its activities should be duly considered and carefully analyzed.
3. Last para in
4b after the bullet points should read
''Following these basic principles, the chair will be responsible for designating
each ICG position
as
one of
the following;'
4. 4b under
Recommendation
......cannot be reach-.... should read ....cannot be
reached.......
The two paragraphs
after the last bullet point are no longer necessary, they should be
deleted.
Safe trip
everyone.
Mary
Uduma
On
Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:09 AM, Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote:
OOOOsh!!!!
Sleeping
and typing, hit the wrong botton.
Please
ignore my last unfinished mail.
Mary
On
Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:07 AM, Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jari
, Arasteh and All,
Kindly
make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11
(G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old
version.
I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version, please let us
not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are errand boys of
the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the proposal to
NTIA is with each communities.
In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits
and remove some redundant words like:
On
Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:21 PM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
wrote:
And in the after-the-meeting
discussion I promised to send a link to the IETF document that describes the
rough consensus process. Here:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282
(for the purposes of
the ICG decision process, the important bit is how we deal with differing
opinions, not the humming. so read it in that
light.)
Jari
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