All, I have some problems with all incoming *.txt attachments - in particular the structure of eg the agenda. I don't know whether others have the same problem. Is there a more comfortable way of distribution eg like word-doc or similar? Thanks and regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Alissa Cooper Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 1:11 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for July 17-18 I have updated the agenda (attached) based on our call yesterday. Note that Day 2 now concludes at 5pm rather than 4:30pm. For a few of the sessions I put “(IETF)” or “(IAB)” in parentheses where I know we are working on proposals and may be able to lead those sessions. If you are willing to lead any of the agenda sessions, and particularly if you’re willing to contribute a proposal for any of the sessions and use that to structure the discussion, please make that known on the list or by replying to me directly. I will probably reach out to some of you individually about leading various sessions if we don’t have enough volunteers. It would probably be good to publish at least a rough agenda publicly on our various mailing lists prior to the meeting so that people watching remotely can follow along. Let’s aim to do that by, say, 20:00 UTC. And please keep the comments/suggestions coming on the agenda. Alissa On 7/9/14, 2:04 AM, "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de> wrote:

Thanks Alice and Alissa for preparing the meeting. I'm one of the GNSO appointees and loaded with more than 30 years of experience from the telco sector. My former employer was Deutsche Telekom, and I'm now working for eco, the German internet business association.

Easy for me to be in London on time. Looking forward to meet you all there

Best regards

Wolf-Ulrich Knoben

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Alissa Cooper Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:19 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for July 17-18

Hi all,

Looking forward to working with you on this important effort. I think I know most of you, but for those who I do not: I’m Alissa Cooper, one of the IETF appointees. I work for Cisco on collaboration technologies (voice, WebEx, video conferencing). I’m currently one of the IETF’s 15 area directors. I’m based in California.

I’ve attached a proposed agenda for the July 17-18 meeting, developed in discussion with some IETF/IAB colleagues. This is very much a draft so it would be great to get discussion going with comments/edits/criticisms. Since the group will be somewhat large (~30 people), I made each slot a bit on the long side.

Best, Alissa

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I had same issue when using the text editor, reopened with MS Word and all line breaks were restored. Viz a viz the agenda itself - I like it as a great first start. It was good to hear everyone at the telecon last Friday (Thurs for most I expect). One of the things we discussed was the concept of affirming the charter and scope of the group as well as the membership at the London meeting. It was pointed out that quite a bit of discussion has already preceded the formation of this group on those very topics and we run the risk of reopening and rehashing topics that have already been done to death. As such, then, it would be good for us to review that discussion beforehand if at all possible, or at least to get a summary of the thinking behind it. Is anyone in a position to do that, or to point the rest of us to that discussion? With respect to membership of the CG - here is my summary of the arguments at present. We have had a request for an increase in membership and we discussed that briefly on the call. The logic being that if there is a group that strongly feels they will not have appropriate representation within the NISTCG (CG for short!) then ultimately their confidence in any consensus, should it be reached, will be lacking. That argument has some merit, however, this group is large, and therefore unwieldy already. Would another three make any difference? Someone pointed out that it is partly dependent on the role the group has: if it is more on co-ordinating inputs and corralling proposals, then surely two vs five also has merit either way. My understanding at this stage is that ultimately we really have no intention of voting - thus numbers won't matter. All in all - I am strongly swayed by the concept that another three won't make a lot of difference to our workings, and leaving them out may hamper broader acceptance of any proposals we might ultimately agree are best. Narelle -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of joseph alhadeff Sent: Sunday, 13 July 2014 12:05 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for July 17-18 Same problem. Open office would be fine if some don't wish to use .doc... On 7/12/2014 8:28 AM, WUKnoben wrote:

All,

I have some problems with all incoming *.txt attachments - in particular the structure of eg the agenda. I don't know whether others have the same problem.

Is there a more comfortable way of distribution eg like word-doc or similar?

Thanks and regards

Wolf-Ulrich

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Alissa Cooper Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 1:11 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for July 17-18

I have updated the agenda (attached) based on our call yesterday. Note that Day 2 now concludes at 5pm rather than 4:30pm.

For a few of the sessions I put “(IETF)” or “(IAB)” in parentheses where I know we are working on proposals and may be able to lead those sessions. If you are willing to lead any of the agenda sessions, and particularly if you’re willing to contribute a proposal for any of the sessions and use that to structure the discussion, please make that known on the list or by replying to me directly. I will probably reach out to some of you individually about leading various sessions if we don’t have enough volunteers.

It would probably be good to publish at least a rough agenda publicly on our various mailing lists prior to the meeting so that people watching remotely can follow along. Let’s aim to do that by, say, 20:00 UTC.

And please keep the comments/suggestions coming on the agenda.

Alissa

On 7/9/14, 2:04 AM, "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de> wrote:

...

Thanks Alice and Alissa for preparing the meeting. I'm one of the GNSO appointees and loaded with more than 30 years of experience from the telco sector. My former employer was Deutsche Telekom, and I'm now working for eco, the German internet business association.

Easy for me to be in London on time. Looking forward to meet you all there

Best regards

Wolf-Ulrich Knoben

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Alissa Cooper Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:19 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for July 17-18

Hi all,

Looking forward to working with you on this important effort. I think I know most of you, but for those who I do not: I’m Alissa Cooper, one of the IETF appointees. I work for Cisco on collaboration technologies (voice, WebEx, video conferencing). I’m currently one of the IETF’s 15 area directors. I’m based in California.

I’ve attached a proposed agenda for the July 17-18 meeting, developed in discussion with some IETF/IAB colleagues. This is very much a draft so it would be great to get discussion going with comments/edits/criticisms. Since the group will be somewhat large (~30 people), I made each slot a bit on the long side.

Best, Alissa

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If you had problems with opening the attachment, here is the text just in e-mail form: == Day 1 == 9:00 - 9:15 Introduction and level-setting. Brief explanation of why we are gathered to meet. 9:15 - 10:45 Introductions. It would be useful to hear from each rep about: - What group appointed them - What that group does and who participates in it - How that group does its work and what its decision processes are - Whether they are "representing" their groups or participating as individuals in the CG - How they view their group's work in relation to the coordination group's work 10:45 - 11:00 Break. 11:00 - 12:30 Charter of the CG. (IETF) It would be good to obtain a shared understanding in the whole group of the role and charter of the CG. Charter proposals circulated in advance of July 17 would help here -- on the IETF/IAB side we may be able to work one up based on the IAB's April 29 comments. 12:30 - 13:30 Lunch. Continued discussion of charter. 13:30 - 15:00 Transition scope and expectations about work in the communities. (IAB) It would be good to clarify the CG’s understanding of the scope of the work of the transition, what the community processes need to produce, and where/how areas of overlap will be handled. We will want to communicate this publicly if we get agreement on it. 15:00 - 16:15 Coordination group participation. Having hopefully developed some shared understanding of the charter of the CG and the work expected in the communities, it would be good to verify that the composition of the CG is suitable for its tasks and to resolve any outstanding questions concerning group representation in the CG. 16:15 - 16:30 Break. 16:30 - 17:30 Self-organization. Initial discussion about how the CG wants to organize itself, e.g., do we want a chair and/or vice-chair, do we need to form sub-groups for any particular tasks, how will we select people for these things. I think it would be good to talk about this on the first day and try to come to some conclusions, and then make the decisions on the second day. If people know they would like to serve in a particular role, they could make that known to the group. 17:30 - 18:00 Parking lot for items we want to come back to before day 2 or in case we run over time. == Day 2 == 9:00 - 9:45 Parking lot for leftover charter/community work/CG participation discussion items from yesterday. 9:45 - 10:15 Internal and external communications needs. Whether the CG needs public and/or private mailing lists for its own work, whether we should stand up our own web site, where that site should be hosted, what we would use the web site for, what we think about ICANN’s web-based platform and whether it should continue to exist and/or be replaced by other list(s). 10:15 - 10:30 Break. 10:30 - 11:45 Secretariat tasks and selection. ICANN will be selecting an independent secretariat for the CG. To make this selection, they will need an RFP. So the CG needs to agree on what the secretariat's responsibilities will be, and possibly needs to come up with that RFP (or work on it together with ICANN). Again having a draft RFP going into the meeting might be a useful thing. 11:45 - 12:45 Lunch. Self-organization, continued. If we're ready by this point, we could solicit candidates for chair/vice chair/whatever other positions we think we need and hear from them each briefly about what they would bring to the role(s). 12:45 - 13:30 Complete self-organization. 13:30 - 14:15 Timeline. (IETF) It would be good to get some agreement about the drop-dead date for the final proposal to be submitted to NTIA (assuming they need some lead time to review it and socialize it within the USG before the contract actually expires). We can then work backwards from there and set goals for when it would be good to have the community discussions come to a close. As with the charter, it would be helpful for someone to come up with a proposal for this in advance of the meeting. Jari has provided a proposal for this. 14:15 - 15:00 CG meeting/conference call schedule. We need to figure out how often we'd like to have calls and when our face-to-face meetings will be. This would be another good item to have a proposal for in advance. 15:00 - 15:45 Parking lot for any item we need to come back to. 15:45 - 16:00 Break. 16:00 - 16:30 Parking lot for any item we need to come back to. 16:30 - 17:00 Summary and wrap-up.

Thanks- On 7/13/2014 9:01 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:

Apologies for the file/format problems. The agenda in .txt format (with line breaks) and .pdf format is also now available at:

http://alissacooper.com/files/iana/

Alissa

On 7/13/14, 4:24 AM, "Jari Arkko" <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:

...

If you had problems with opening the attachment, here is the text just in e-mail form:

== Day 1 ==

9:00 - 9:15 Introduction and level-setting. Brief explanation of why we are gathered to meet.

9:15 - 10:45 Introductions. It would be useful to hear from each rep about: - What group appointed them - What that group does and who participates in it - How that group does its work and what its decision processes are - Whether they are "representing" their groups or participating as individuals in the CG - How they view their group's work in relation to the coordination group's work

10:45 - 11:00 Break.

11:00 - 12:30 Charter of the CG. (IETF) It would be good to obtain a shared understanding in the whole group of the role and charter of the CG. Charter proposals circulated in advance of July 17 would help here -- on the IETF/IAB side we may be able to work one up based on the IAB's April 29 comments.

12:30 - 13:30 Lunch. Continued discussion of charter.

13:30 - 15:00 Transition scope and expectations about work in the communities. (IAB) It would be good to clarify the CG’s understanding of the scope of the work of the transition, what the community processes need to produce, and where/how areas of overlap will be handled. We will want to communicate this publicly if we get agreement on it.

15:00 - 16:15 Coordination group participation. Having hopefully developed some shared understanding of the charter of the CG and the work expected in the communities, it would be good to verify that the composition of the CG is suitable for its tasks and to resolve any outstanding questions concerning group representation in the CG.

16:15 - 16:30 Break.

16:30 - 17:30 Self-organization. Initial discussion about how the CG wants to organize itself, e.g., do we want a chair and/or vice-chair, do we need to form sub-groups for any particular tasks, how will we select people for these things. I think it would be good to talk about this on the first day and try to come to some conclusions, and then make the decisions on the second day. If people know they would like to serve in a particular role, they could make that known to the group.

17:30 - 18:00 Parking lot for items we want to come back to before day 2 or in case we run over time.

== Day 2 ==

9:00 - 9:45 Parking lot for leftover charter/community work/CG participation discussion items from yesterday.

9:45 - 10:15 Internal and external communications needs. Whether the CG needs public and/or private mailing lists for its own work, whether we should stand up our own web site, where that site should be hosted, what we would use the web site for, what we think about ICANN’s web-based platform and whether it should continue to exist and/or be replaced by other list(s).

10:15 - 10:30 Break.

10:30 - 11:45 Secretariat tasks and selection. ICANN will be selecting an independent secretariat for the CG. To make this selection, they will need an RFP. So the CG needs to agree on what the secretariat's responsibilities will be, and possibly needs to come up with that RFP (or work on it together with ICANN). Again having a draft RFP going into the meeting might be a useful thing.

11:45 - 12:45 Lunch. Self-organization, continued. If we're ready by this point, we could solicit candidates for chair/vice chair/whatever other positions we think we need and hear from them each briefly about what they would bring to the role(s).

12:45 - 13:30 Complete self-organization.

13:30 - 14:15 Timeline. (IETF) It would be good to get some agreement about the drop-dead date for the final proposal to be submitted to NTIA (assuming they need some lead time to review it and socialize it within the USG before the contract actually expires). We can then work backwards from there and set goals for when it would be good to have the community discussions come to a close. As with the charter, it would be helpful for someone to come up with a proposal for this in advance of the meeting. Jari has provided a proposal for this.

14:15 - 15:00 CG meeting/conference call schedule. We need to figure out how often we'd like to have calls and when our face-to-face meetings will be. This would be another good item to have a proposal for in advance.

15:00 - 15:45 Parking lot for any item we need to come back to.

15:45 - 16:00 Break.

16:00 - 16:30 Parking lot for any item we need to come back to.

16:30 - 17:00 Summary and wrap-up.

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We have agenda, and hotel. What room we will use for the meeting? Kuo Wu 從我的 iPhone 傳送

Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> 於 2014/7/15 1:02 寫道：

I am re-sending the link to the agenda (in .txt and .pdf format) in case new folks have joined this list over the weekend:

https://www.alissacooper.com/files/iana/

If you are willing to lead any of the agenda sessions, and particularly if you’re willing to contribute a proposal for any of the sessions and use that to structure the discussion, please make that known on the list or by replying to me directly. I have started reaching out to some of you individually about leading various sessions and will continue to do so if we don’t have enough volunteers.

Best, Alissa

...

On 7/11/14, 4:11 PM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:

I have updated the agenda (attached) based on our call yesterday. Note that Day 2 now concludes at 5pm rather than 4:30pm.

For a few of the sessions I put “(IETF)” or “(IAB)” in parentheses where I know we are working on proposals and may be able to lead those sessions. If you are willing to lead any of the agenda sessions, and particularly if you’re willing to contribute a proposal for any of the sessions and use that to structure the discussion, please make that known on the list or by replying to me directly. I will probably reach out to some of you individually about leading various sessions if we don’t have enough volunteers.

It would probably be good to publish at least a rough agenda publicly on our various mailing lists prior to the meeting so that people watching remotely can follow along. Let’s aim to do that by, say, 20:00 UTC.

And please keep the comments/suggestions coming on the agenda.

Alissa

...

On 7/9/14, 2:04 AM, "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de> wrote:

Thanks Alice and Alissa for preparing the meeting. I'm one of the GNSO appointees and loaded with more than 30 years of experience from the telco sector. My former employer was Deutsche Telekom, and I'm now working for eco, the German internet business association.

Easy for me to be in London on time. Looking forward to meet you all there

Best regards

Wolf-Ulrich Knoben

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Alissa Cooper Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:19 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for July 17-18

Hi all,

Looking forward to working with you on this important effort. I think I know most of you, but for those who I do not: I’m Alissa Cooper, one of the IETF appointees. I work for Cisco on collaboration technologies (voice, WebEx, video conferencing). I’m currently one of the IETF’s 15 area directors. I’m based in California.

I’ve attached a proposed agenda for the July 17-18 meeting, developed in discussion with some IETF/IAB colleagues. This is very much a draft so it would be great to get discussion going with comments/edits/criticisms. Since the group will be somewhat large (~30 people), I made each slot a bit on the long side.

Best, Alissa

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Updated the agenda with names of session moderators. https://www.alissacooper.com/files/iana/IANA%20CG%20July%202014%20mtg%20age nda%20v4.txt https://alissacooper.com/files/iana/IANA%20CG%20July%202014%20mtg%20agenda% 20v4.pdf On 7/14/14, 10:02 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:

I am re-sending the link to the agenda (in .txt and .pdf format) in case new folks have joined this list over the weekend:

https://www.alissacooper.com/files/iana/

If you are willing to lead any of the agenda sessions, and particularly if you’re willing to contribute a proposal for any of the sessions and use that to structure the discussion, please make that known on the list or by replying to me directly. I have started reaching out to some of you individually about leading various sessions and will continue to do so if we don’t have enough volunteers.

Best, Alissa

On 7/11/14, 4:11 PM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:

...

I have updated the agenda (attached) based on our call yesterday. Note that Day 2 now concludes at 5pm rather than 4:30pm.

For a few of the sessions I put “(IETF)” or “(IAB)” in parentheses where I know we are working on proposals and may be able to lead those sessions. If you are willing to lead any of the agenda sessions, and particularly if you’re willing to contribute a proposal for any of the sessions and use that to structure the discussion, please make that known on the list or by replying to me directly. I will probably reach out to some of you individually about leading various sessions if we don’t have enough volunteers.

It would probably be good to publish at least a rough agenda publicly on our various mailing lists prior to the meeting so that people watching remotely can follow along. Let’s aim to do that by, say, 20:00 UTC.

And please keep the comments/suggestions coming on the agenda.

Alissa

On 7/9/14, 2:04 AM, "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de> wrote:

...

Thanks Alice and Alissa for preparing the meeting. I'm one of the GNSO appointees and loaded with more than 30 years of experience from the telco sector. My former employer was Deutsche Telekom, and I'm now working for eco, the German internet business association.

Easy for me to be in London on time. Looking forward to meet you all there

Best regards

Wolf-Ulrich Knoben

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Alissa Cooper Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:19 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for July 17-18

Hi all,

Looking forward to working with you on this important effort. I think I know most of you, but for those who I do not: I’m Alissa Cooper, one of the IETF appointees. I work for Cisco on collaboration technologies (voice, WebEx, video conferencing). I’m currently one of the IETF’s 15 area directors. I’m based in California.

I’ve attached a proposed agenda for the July 17-18 meeting, developed in discussion with some IETF/IAB colleagues. This is very much a draft so it would be great to get discussion going with comments/edits/criticisms. Since the group will be somewhat large (~30 people), I made each slot a bit on the long side.

Best, Alissa

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Sigh...there is a "not" too many below: On 17 jul 2014, at 08:44, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:

If there is something I do not think this group will have problems with are viewpoints that arrive very very late in the process. Late enough so that many people on the CG do think "but did we not have consensus on that".

Of course I meant to say "If there is something I *DO* think this group will have problems with..."

One of the most important such issues that could create issues is "scope". If someone disagree with scope, let everyone know *now*.

I want to see chair(s) of this CG be able to use a "consensus" (for some definition of consensus) view on scope as a tool to be able to move forward in the end-game of this CG.

Patrik