
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss: * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair Regards, Patrik Fältström Co-Chair

Patrik 02,00 -03,00 2014-11-20 20:22 GMT+01:00 Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>:
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Patrik, 02,00-03,00 utc IS 03,00-04,00 Geneva tIME I WISH TO ATTEND ANOTHER WORKABLE TIME¨ KAVOUSS 2014-11-20 23:08 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>:
Patrik 02,00 -03,00
2014-11-20 20:22 GMT+01:00 Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
Regards, Patrik Fältström Co-Chair
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It’s the same situation for almost all in Europe and Africa. What helps me to accept this less workable time is the knowledge that at the next call others will be punished...:-) Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: Kavouss Arasteh Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:09 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8 Patrik, 02,00-03,00 utc IS 03,00-04,00 Geneva tIME I WISH TO ATTEND ANOTHER WORKABLE TIME¨ KAVOUSS 2014-11-20 23:08 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>: Patrik 02,00 -03,00 2014-11-20 20:22 GMT+01:00 Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>: Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss: * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair Regards, Patrik Fältström Co-Chair _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

Yes, this is a very suitable time for me, as it will be 3.00pm this afternoon - a most unusual and refreshingly nice time for me! Cheers Keith On 21/11/2014 10:00 p.m., Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 20 nov 2014, at 23:09, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>> wrote:
02,00-03,00 utc IS 03,00-04,00 Geneva tIME I WISH TO ATTEND ANOTHER WORKABLE TIME¨
This is known to all of us, and part of the "rotation" over time as we have members of ICG in many timezones.
Patrik
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Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda: * Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings Alissa On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
Regards, Patrik Fältström Co-Chair
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Noted. New agenda: * Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair

Kind of a minor point, but it would help with my overloaded mailbox and mind if the headers for these sessions involved a date (e.g., Nov 28) rather than a number (e.g., call #8). There are so many conference calls and WG meetings happening that I have lost track of whether this is ICG call #8 or #80. Feel free to ignore this advice if everyone else has no trouble keeping track of which number call this is ;-)
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Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I'd like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair

On 22 nov 2014, at 06:22, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Kind of a minor point, but it would help with my overloaded mailbox and mind if the headers for these sessions involved a date (e.g., Nov 28) rather than a number (e.g., call #8).
There are so many conference calls and WG meetings happening that I have lost track of whether this is ICG call #8 or #80.
Feel free to ignore this advice if everyone else has no trouble keeping track of which number call this is ;-)
Thanks for the feedback! Actually I have indirectly seen call for _both_ and will try to do so in the future. Patrik
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Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I'd like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair

Hi Patrik, all, Some calendar confusion means I now have a lot of difficulty in joining this call later today. Alissa kindly offered to shepherd the agenda item on proposal submission expectations, and for that I thank her! With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets. In response to Alissa's comment in the Proposal Submission Expectations document that we needed more detail on the final section, I added a few suggestions and saved these as well as a few other edits to the document in Dropbox. For ease, I include that section below. 6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site. Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline. (NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting) Again, apologies as I am not able to join the call today, but will review the audio in order to be current. Best regards, Lynn On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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Please accept my apology for missing the call today. My flight to the AFRINIC meeting was still in the air when this call took place. Regards, -- Elise From: "Lynn St.Amour" <Lynn@lstamour.org> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 at 12:47 AM To: Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: ICG <internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8
Hi Patrik, all,
Some calendar confusion means I now have a lot of difficulty in joining this call later today. Alissa kindly offered to shepherd the agenda item on proposal submission expectations, and for that I thank her!
With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets.
In response to Alissa's comment in the Proposal Submission Expectations document that we needed more detail on the final section, I added a few suggestions and saved these as well as a few other edits to the document in Dropbox. For ease, I include that section below.
6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site.
Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline.
(NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting)
Again, apologies as I am not able to join the call today, but will review the audio in order to be current.
Best regards,
Lynn
On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I¹d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate). Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her. With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets. I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox. 6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site. Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline. <NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting) Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it. Best regards, Lynn On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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PATRIK Alisa Pls now identify how many ICG MEMBERS ANNOUNCE TO PARTICIPATE . If it is less that 50 % the simple majaoriy for quarum would not be acheived and the decision made are notz valid Pls let me know Regards KAVOUSS 2014-11-25 22:36 GMT+01:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>:
Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate).
Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her.
With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets.
I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox.
6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site.
Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline.
<NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting)
Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it.
Best regards,
Lynn
On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will
discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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I’ll help to meet the quorum. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: Kavouss Arasteh Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:49 PM To: Lynn St.Amour Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8 PATRIK Alisa Pls now identify how many ICG MEMBERS ANNOUNCE TO PARTICIPATE . If it is less that 50 % the simple majaoriy for quarum would not be acheived and the decision made are notz valid Pls let me know Regards KAVOUSS 2014-11-25 22:36 GMT+01:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>: Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate). Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her. With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets. I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox. 6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site. Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline. <NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting) Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it. Best regards, Lynn On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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Horrid timing, but I will join the call connection willing from a hotel room. Forgive me if I snore! From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of WUKnoben Sent: 25 November 2014 23:17 To: Kavouss Arasteh; Lynn St.Amour Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8 I’ll help to meet the quorum. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: Kavouss Arasteh<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:49 PM To: Lynn St.Amour<mailto:Lynn@lstamour.org> Cc: ICG<mailto:internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8 PATRIK Alisa Pls now identify how many ICG MEMBERS ANNOUNCE TO PARTICIPATE . If it is less that 50 % the simple majaoriy for quarum would not be acheived and the decision made are notz valid Pls let me know Regards KAVOUSS 2014-11-25 22:36 GMT+01:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org<mailto:Lynn@lstamour.org>>: Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate). Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her. With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets. I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox. 6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site. Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline. <NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting) Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it. Best regards, Lynn On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se<mailto:paf@frobbit.se>> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in<mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se<mailto:paf@frobbit.se>> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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I hope to dial in. On 11/25/2014 7:33 PM, Martin Boyle wrote:
Horrid timing, but I will join the call connection willing from a hotel room. Forgive me if I snore!
*From:*internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *WUKnoben *Sent:* 25 November 2014 23:17 *To:* Kavouss Arasteh; Lynn St.Amour *Cc:* ICG *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8
I'll help to meet the quorum.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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*Sent:*Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:49 PM
*To:*Lynn St.Amour <mailto:Lynn@lstamour.org>
*Cc:*ICG <mailto:internal-cg@icann.org>
*Subject:*Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8
PATRIK
Alisa
Pls now identify how many ICG MEMBERS ANNOUNCE TO PARTICIPATE .
If it is less that 50 % the simple majaoriy for quarum would not be acheived and the decision made are notz valid
Pls let me know
Regards
KAVOUSS
2014-11-25 22:36 GMT+01:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org <mailto:Lynn@lstamour.org>>:
Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate).
Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her.
With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets.
I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox.
6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site.
Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline.
<NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting)
Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it.
Best regards,
Lynn
On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se <mailto:paf@frobbit.se>> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in
<mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I'd like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se
<mailto:paf@frobbit.se>> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will
discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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Hi Kavouss, As you know, the ICG agreed months ago to rotate its calls by approximately 8 hours per call and to use doodle to select the precise time for each call, pending interpreter arrangements. Patrik issued the doodle for the rest of this year’s calls on October 27 <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-October/002149.html>. The time selected for the upcoming call had about as many yes/ifneedbe responses as our other recent calls. <http://doodle.com/fq2w2tf476pdbszi> We will follow our guidelines for decision making on this call, just as on all calls <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icg-guidelines-decision-making-1...>. Namely: "Unless it is specified before a meeting that the ICG is intending to finalize a decision during the meeting, the decisions taken at a meeting in which one or more members are absent should provide 7 calendar days for those absentee members to review the decision and provide any input related to it; such input would be considered at the subsequent meeting (physical, by correspondence, or by conference call) and taken into account, if so agreed.” We have not announced an intent to finalize any decision before the upcoming meeting. (It turns out that we already approved all of the October minutes, so we will drop that item from the agenda. That was my mistake.) Best, Alissa On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
PATRIK Alisa Pls now identify how many ICG MEMBERS ANNOUNCE TO PARTICIPATE . If it is less that 50 % the simple majaoriy for quarum would not be acheived and the decision made are notz valid Pls let me know Regards KAVOUSS
2014-11-25 22:36 GMT+01:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>: Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate).
Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her.
With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets.
I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox.
6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site.
Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline.
<NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting)
Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it.
Best regards,
Lynn
On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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Thanks, Lynn. Comments below. On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@LStAmour.org> wrote:
Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate).
Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her.
With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets.
I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox.
6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site.
Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline.
<NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting)
This is a little different from what I was asking about, which is what happens if the Board feels it cannot transmit the final proposal, targeted for July time frame. What do we want them to do? Write us? Call us? Have a meeting? Should we establish an expected time frame for resolution in this document? I think we can separately document expectations about ICANN staff/board engagement in the process up to the final proposal transmission. Personally I’m not sure that we want to make explicit requests for “formal” input during the process from any constituency that would be different from any other. Alissa
Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it.
Best regards,
Lynn
On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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I actually think that, with liaisons from both the Board and from the IANA team, any problems should be identified by the liaison prior to Singapore. Why else do we have liaisons other than to indicate the practicalities of the options we (and the communities) are identifying? Not a formal thing, just the normal reason for giving privileged access. MB -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: 25 November 2014 23:58 To: Lynn St.Amour Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8 Thanks, Lynn. Comments below. On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@LStAmour.org> wrote:
Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate).
Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her.
With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets.
I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox.
6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site.
Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline.
<NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting)
This is a little different from what I was asking about, which is what happens if the Board feels it cannot transmit the final proposal, targeted for July time frame. What do we want them to do? Write us? Call us? Have a meeting? Should we establish an expected time frame for resolution in this document? I think we can separately document expectations about ICANN staff/board engagement in the process up to the final proposal transmission. Personally I'm not sure that we want to make explicit requests for "formal" input during the process from any constituency that would be different from any other. Alissa
Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it.
Best regards,
Lynn
On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I'd like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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As a matter of principle I am opposed to calling on the ICANN board specifically. We have expressed our expectations concerning timely feedback and the time line to everyone. My reasoning is similar to Joe's and Martin's. We have liaison and the ICANN board will do whatever it will do without our admonishments. Daniel

- The ICANN Board will meet to consider the final ICG report within 14 days of receiving the report - The Board will send the report onto the NTIA without making any changes within 14 days of receiving the report - The Board will send an accompanying letter which will either endorse the report, or it will express concerns that will already have been shared with the ICG through the various opportunities for public comment and dialogue. The accompanying letter will be posted publicly. Wish it answer the question ICG raised. Kuo Wu

On 26.11.14 4:14 , Wu Kuo-Wei wrote:
- The ICANN Board will meet to consider the final ICG report within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send the report onto the NTIA without making any changes within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send an accompanying letter which will either endorse the report, or it will express concerns that will already have been shared with the ICG through the various opportunities for public comment and dialogue. The accompanying letter will be posted publicly.
Wish it answer the question ICG raised.
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Thank you Kuo, this is sufficient for me. It should also be sufficient not to embarrass ourselves by minuting the action point #1 Sam drafted. Daniel

Thanks. Kuo Wu
Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> 於 2014年11月26日 11:35 寫道:
On 26.11.14 4:14 , Wu Kuo-Wei wrote:
- The ICANN Board will meet to consider the final ICG report within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send the report onto the NTIA without making any changes within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send an accompanying letter which will either endorse the report, or it will express concerns that will already have been shared with the ICG through the various opportunities for public comment and dialogue. The accompanying letter will be posted publicly.
Wish it answer the question ICG raised.
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Thank you Kuo,
this is sufficient for me.
It should also be sufficient not to embarrass ourselves by minuting the action point #1 Sam drafted.
Daniel

Thank you Kuo-Wei, all, I read all the emails and acknowledge and support the points raised. And, I appreciate all the work and support I know Kuo-Wei has been giving this. Best regards, Lynn On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Wu Kuo-Wei <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
- The ICANN Board will meet to consider the final ICG report within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send the report onto the NTIA without making any changes within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send an accompanying letter which will either endorse the report, or it will express concerns that will already have been shared with the ICG through the various opportunities for public comment and dialogue. The accompanying letter will be posted publicly.
Wish it answer the question ICG raised.
Kuo Wu

Great, this works for me. Thanks, Kuo! I could also add these three bullets to the end of the proposal finalization process document so we have them documented there as well as in the minutes that will be produced from last week’s call. Alissa On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Wu Kuo-Wei <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
- The ICANN Board will meet to consider the final ICG report within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send the report onto the NTIA without making any changes within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send an accompanying letter which will either endorse the report, or it will express concerns that will already have been shared with the ICG through the various opportunities for public comment and dialogue. The accompanying letter will be posted publicly.
Wish it answer the question ICG raised.
Kuo Wu

Sounds good to me as well. Thank you Kuo-Wei. Jari On 01 Dec 2014, at 23:53, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Great, this works for me. Thanks, Kuo!
I could also add these three bullets to the end of the proposal finalization process document so we have them documented there as well as in the minutes that will be produced from last week’s call.
Alissa
On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Wu Kuo-Wei <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
- The ICANN Board will meet to consider the final ICG report within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send the report onto the NTIA without making any changes within 14 days of receiving the report
- The Board will send an accompanying letter which will either endorse the report, or it will express concerns that will already have been shared with the ICG through the various opportunities for public comment and dialogue. The accompanying letter will be posted publicly.
Wish it answer the question ICG raised.
Kuo Wu
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Lynn: One question about your comments. I think we are setting the ICANN board up to have some sort of ultimate veto. They have the obligation to keep on top of developments as we draft, like everyone else. That is the way they can responsibly exercise tier fiduciary duty. I don't think they have one last bite of the apple, except as to any changes that were made between the final and the next to final draft. Since we have been an inclusive and representative community based process since the outset, I am hard pressed to see a basis for them have to come to a different conclusion in the "community interest". Best- Joe On 11/25/2014 4:36 PM, Lynn St.Amour wrote:
Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate).
Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her.
With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets.
I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox.
6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site.
Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline.
<NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting)
Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it.
Best regards,
Lynn
On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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2 comments: 1) I agree with Joe and others who were on ICG Call 8, that we should avoid giving (or be seen to give) ICANN any special status in the consultation process. 2) In her draft, Lynn suggests that feedback from the ICANN Board or Staff should be notified to the ICG "exceptionally through its Liaisons". For the ICG, the "natural interlocutor" must remain the ICANN Board, not Staff. Also, ICANN has already chosen its channel of communication with us by appointing its Liaisons. Therefore, the ICG cannot stipulate who from ICANN should interact with us: that is necessarily through the designated Liaisons. Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> À: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 26 Novembre 2014 01:51:42 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Agenda for call #8 Lynn: One question about your comments. I think we are setting the ICANN board up to have some sort of ultimate veto. They have the obligation to keep on top of developments as we draft, like everyone else. That is the way they can responsibly exercise tier fiduciary duty. I don't think they have one last bite of the apple, except as to any changes that were made between the final and the next to final draft. Since we have been an inclusive and representative community based process since the outset, I am hard pressed to see a basis for them have to come to a different conclusion in the "community interest". Best- Joe On 11/25/2014 4:36 PM, Lynn St.Amour wrote:
Hi Patrik, all, (sent this earlier but cannot see where this went out, so apologies if it is a duplicate).
Unfortunately I cannot make tonight's meeting due to some calendar confusion. Alissa has offered to shepherd the discussion on proposal submission expectations, and I thank her.
With respect to the minutes, I have read and support approving all three sets.
I also suggested a few edits to the Proposal Submission Expectations document, and expanded the final section based on a comment from Alissa (that last change is included here for ease). The document was also updated in dropbox.
6 c. The ICG expects ICANN to transmit the proposal unmodified to NTIA and to publish that transmission on its public web site.
Should ICANN or the ICANN Board have concerns over their ability to support (and hence transmit) the proposal, it is imperative that this be indicated in a timely enough manner in order to allow resolution of any open items within the established timeline.
<NEW> To that end, the ICG is requesting that ICANN or the ICANN Board formally indicate any questions or issues that might prevent their full support of the final proposal at the following points: - First Draft Proposal (in mid-April to allow time to address any questions or concerns) - Development of the Final Proposal (during the week of the 21-25 June at the ICANN meeting)
Hope you have a good meeting and again apologies for not being able to make it.
Best regards,
Lynn
On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Noted.
New agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings - Chair * Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair * Logistics etc for Singapore meeting - Patrik
Patrik
On 21 nov 2014, at 02:38, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Thanks, Patrik. I’d like to add one item at the top of the agenda:
* Minutes approval for Oct 1, 17, and 29 meetings
Alissa
On Nov 20, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
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Sincere apologies, but I will likely not be able to attend thei meeting do to the ongoing AFRINIC-21 meeting. Thanks. - a. On Nov 20, 2014, at 23:22 PM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
Next call, #8, on Wednesday, 26 November 02:00-03:00 UTC we will discuss:
* Discussion of proposal submission expectations - Lynn * Updates from the communities - Chair
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Adiel Akplogan
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Alissa Cooper
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Daniel Karrenberg
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Elise Gerich
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Jari Arkko
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joseph alhadeff
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Kavouss Arasteh
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Keith Davidson
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Lynn St.Amour
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Martin Boyle
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Milton L Mueller
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Patrik Fältström
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Subrenat, Jean-Jacques
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Wu Kuo-Wei
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