Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..
Manal, Many thanks to you and your colleagues on the committee for drafting the FAQ. Question #4 quotes SAC 067 in answer to ³What are the IANA functions? ³ I do not dispute that SAC-067 is a well written and informative document. I do think a better reference document would be NTIA¹s contract, SA1301-12-RP-IANA, which defines the IANA functions over which NTIA has stewardship. For example, NTIA¹s description of the functions in the contract (C.1.1) states: ³The US Department of Commerce (DoC), National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) has initiated this contract to maintain the continuity and stability of services related to certain interdependent Internet technical management functions, known collectively as the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)." In particular Section C.2.9 of the IANA functions contract describes the functions for which NTIA is a steward. The contract is easily found on NTIA¹s website: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/page/iana-functions-purchase-order or on the ICANN website: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/contract-01oct12-en.pdf Best regards, -- Elise From: Manal Ismail <manal@tra.gov.eg> Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 11:16 AM To: "internal-cg@icann.org" <internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..
Dear All ..
Please find attached, and in dropbox, a draft FAQ we (Martin, Patrik, Mohamed, Alissa & myself) have prepared to be discussed on the upcoming call .. This is supposed to be a living document .. So the target is to come up with an initial agreed version rather than an exhaustive complete one ..
Looking forward to receiving your feedback over email and/or during the call ..
Kind Regards --Manal
Manal Thank you very much for the efforts Yes I agree with Elise Secondly, Nothing refernced about the VERISIGN and its relatiion with the replacement of NTIA ? Nothing mentioned about who would be the global community? would it be ICANN ? Nothing mentioned about to whom ICANN would be accountable in future after NTIA? Nothing mentioned about who will replace NTIA in reality ? Is it ICANN Nothing mentioned about the need or otherwise an oversight institution or entity kavouss 2014-09-29 22:50 GMT+02:00 Elise Gerich <elise.gerich@icann.org>:
Manal, Many thanks to you and your colleagues on the committee for drafting the FAQ.
Question #4 quotes SAC –067 in answer to “What are the IANA functions? “ I do not dispute that SAC-067 is a well written and informative document. I do think a better reference document would be NTIA’s contract, SA1301-12-RP-IANA, which defines the IANA functions over which NTIA has stewardship.
For example, NTIA’s description of the functions in the contract (C.1.1) states: “The US Department of Commerce (DoC), National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) has initiated this contract to maintain the continuity and stability of services related to certain interdependent Internet technical management functions, known collectively as the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)."
In particular Section C.2.9 of the IANA functions contract describes the functions for which NTIA is a steward. The contract is easily found on NTIA’s website: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/page/iana-functions-purchase-order or on the ICANN website: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/contract-01oct12-en.pdf
Best regards, -- Elise
From: Manal Ismail <manal@tra.gov.eg> Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 11:16 AM To: "internal-cg@icann.org" <internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..
Dear All ..
Please find attached, and in dropbox, a draft FAQ we (Martin, Patrik, Mohamed, Alissa & myself) have prepared to be discussed on the upcoming call ..
This is supposed to be a living document .. So the target is to come up with an initial agreed version rather than an exhaustive complete one ..
Looking forward to receiving your feedback over email and/or during the call ..
Kind Regards
--Manal
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On 29 sep 2014, at 23:22, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Nothing refernced about the VERISIGN and its relatiion with the replacement of NTIA ? Nothing mentioned about who would be the global community? would it be ICANN ? Nothing mentioned about to whom ICANN would be accountable in future after NTIA? Nothing mentioned about who will replace NTIA in reality ? Is it ICANN Nothing mentioned about the need or otherwise an oversight institution or entity
Kavouss, please be concrete and suggest question(s) and answers to be added to the FAQ. Patrik
Many thanks Mr. Arasteh for your feedback .. I have to agree with Patrik that it would be extremely helpful if you can suggest concrete questions and answers .. Furthermore, I believe the excellent points you raise below should be addressed through the proposals we are expecting to receive .. I do not think we should pre-empt what the community will ultimately reach and express views through this FAQ .. Your questions also tackle issues that are being handled through other processes, e.g. the ICANN accountability process .. Hope the above provides a satisfactory explanation as to why we did not include questions along your below suggestions .. Kind Regards --Manal From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:11 AM To: Kavouss Arasteh Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ .. On 29 sep 2014, at 23:22, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote: Nothing refernced about the VERISIGN and its relatiion with the replacement of NTIA ? Nothing mentioned about who would be the global community? would it be ICANN ? Nothing mentioned about to whom ICANN would be accountable in future after NTIA? Nothing mentioned about who will replace NTIA in reality ? Is it ICANN Nothing mentioned about the need or otherwise an oversight institution or entity Kavouss, please be concrete and suggest question(s) and answers to be added to the FAQ. Patrik
Furthermore, I believe the excellent points you raise below should be addressed through the proposals we are expecting to receive .. Exactly right. ICG's FAQ is about who we are and what we do as ICG. Questions such as "who will replace NTIA?" are to be answered by the proposals coming out of the operational communities. Milton L. Mueller Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor Syracuse University School of Information Studies http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/mueller/Home.html
On 30 sep 2014, at 15:08, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Furthermore, I believe the excellent points you raise below should be addressed through the proposals we are expecting to receive ..
Exactly right. ICG’s FAQ is about who we are and what we do as ICG. Questions such as “who will replace NTIA?” are to be answered by the proposals coming out of the operational communities.
Bingo! Patrik
+1 ===================================== On 9/30/14 10:12 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 30 sep 2014, at 15:08, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Furthermore, I believe the excellent points you raise below should be addressed through the proposals we are expecting to receive ..
Exactly right. ICG's FAQ is about who we are and what we do as ICG. Questions such as "who will replace NTIA?" are to be answered by the proposals coming out of the operational communities. Bingo!
Patrik
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On 29 sep 2014, at 22:50, Elise Gerich <elise.gerich@icann.org> wrote:
Question #4 quotes SAC –067 in answer to “What are the IANA functions? “ I do not dispute that SAC-067 is a well written and informative document. I do think a better reference document would be NTIA’s contract, SA1301-12-RP-IANA, which defines the IANA functions over which NTIA has stewardship.
I disagree as what the IANA function does is not described by the contract, the contract describes (in a not very effective way) some of the things IANA does. I.e. there are things IANA function does that is not under the contract, and further, the contract is not very well written. Russ Mundy is better on explaining the difficult situation regarding the contract. Patrik Fältström
Many thanks Elise .. I'm not an expert so I'll leave this to you and Patrik .. I would just like to note that the mentioned contract is already referenced through the hyperlink "the agreement between NTIA and ICANN" .. I take your point that it would be better to add the contract name "SA1301-12-RP-IANA" .. I think we can accommodate this in a new iteration that will be shared shortly .. I would also like to highlight that the language used in the answer is a copy and paste from the footnote on page 1 of the RFP which already references both documents: "In this RFP, "IANA" refers to the functions currently specified in the agreement between NTIA and ICANN [http://www.ntia.doc.gov/page/iana-functions-purchase-order] as well as any other functions traditionally performed by the IANA functions operator. SAC-067 [https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-067-en.pdf] provides one description of the many different meanings of the term "IANA" and may be useful reading in addition to the documents constituting the agreement itself." Hope this addresses your point .. Kind Regards --Manal -----Original Message----- From: Patrik Fältström [mailto:paf@frobbit.se] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:09 AM To: Elise Gerich Cc: Manal Ismail; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ .. On 29 sep 2014, at 22:50, Elise Gerich <elise.gerich@icann.org> wrote:
Question #4 quotes SAC -067 in answer to "What are the IANA functions? " I do not dispute that SAC-067 is a well written and informative document. I do think a better reference document would be NTIA's contract, SA1301-12-RP-IANA, which defines the IANA functions over which NTIA has stewardship.
I disagree as what the IANA function does is not described by the contract, the contract describes (in a not very effective way) some of the things IANA does. I.e. there are things IANA function does that is not under the contract, and further, the contract is not very well written. Russ Mundy is better on explaining the difficult situation regarding the contract. Patrik Fältström
Patrik, I do not disagree that the IANA Department at ICANN does more than the contract with NTIA describes. What the ICG is discussing is replacing the stewardship by NTIA for the IANA functions that the NTIA oversees. The functions that NTIA oversees are described in the contract and those are the only activities done by the IANA department that have oversight by NTIA. Any other, non-contractual activities of the IANA department which may be described in SAC-067 have no contractual relationship with NTIA and it stewardship. -- Elise From: Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> Date: Monday, September 29, 2014 at 7:09 PM To: Elise Gerich <elise.gerich@icann.org> Cc: Manal Ismail <manal@tra.gov.eg>, "internal-cg@icann.org" <internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..
On 29 sep 2014, at 22:50, Elise Gerich <elise.gerich@icann.org> wrote:
Question #4 quotes SAC 067 in answer to ³What are the IANA functions? ³ I do not dispute that SAC-067 is a well written and informative document. I do think a better reference document would be NTIA¹s contract, SA1301-12-RP-IANA, which defines the IANA functions over which NTIA has stewardship.
I disagree as what the IANA function does is not described by the contract, the contract describes (in a not very effective way) some of the things IANA does. I.e. there are things IANA function does that is not under the contract, and further, the contract is not very well written. Russ Mundy is better on explaining the difficult situation regarding the contract.
Patrik Fältström
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