Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
All, Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles. As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1. The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00. Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page: <http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56> Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15. Patrik Fältström
I am not sure why we need two of these calls. Wouldn't one do? We just had a meeting and we will have another one in LA.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:09 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
All,
Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.
As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.
The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00.
Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page:
<http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56>
Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.
Patrik Fältström
Milton, I think we can only have one topic per call, and we definitely need one call on the 17th for the consensus document. Whether we need the 2nd is something we can discuss when we are say one week away from that call -- at which time it can be cancelled. Patrik On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:32, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not sure why we need two of these calls. Wouldn't one do? We just had a meeting and we will have another one in LA.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:09 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
All,
Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.
As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.
The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00.
Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page:
<http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56>
Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.
Patrik Fältström
Ah, the "consensus" document. Luckily for me I will be on airplanes that whole time on the 17th ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: Patrik Fältström [mailto:paf@frobbit.se] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:37 AM To: Milton L Mueller Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
Milton,
I think we can only have one topic per call, and we definitely need one call on the 17th for the consensus document. Whether we need the 2nd is something we can discuss when we are say one week away from that call -- at which time it can be cancelled.
Patrik
On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:32, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not sure why we need two of these calls. Wouldn't one do? We just had a meeting and we will have another one in LA.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:09 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
All,
Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.
As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.
The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00.
Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page:
<http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56>
Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.
Patrik Fältström
Milton, cherry- picking should be not permitted - by consensus!😉 Wolf-Ulrich Sent from my personal phone
Am 11.09.2014 um 17:05 schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu>:
Ah, the "consensus" document. Luckily for me I will be on airplanes that whole time on the 17th ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: Patrik Fältström [mailto:paf@frobbit.se] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:37 AM To: Milton L Mueller Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
Milton,
I think we can only have one topic per call, and we definitely need one call on the 17th for the consensus document. Whether we need the 2nd is something we can discuss when we are say one week away from that call -- at which time it can be cancelled.
Patrik
On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:32, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not sure why we need two of these calls. Wouldn't one do? We just had a meeting and we will have another one in LA.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:09 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
All,
Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.
As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.
The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00.
Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page:
<http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56>
Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.
Patrik Fältström
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Dear All, G11 after the formal closure of ICG met and agreed on some principles I did implement those priciples several colleagues like Wolf, Jari ,Manal commented Those comments were implemented. Some editorial and corrections were also made. Martin wanted more time. However, all of a sudden another ICG totally up side down the process and disagee with the basic principle that was almost agreed i.e. case by case.approach This sort of reaction is not productive nor constructive If someone pushes for its own views and bring us bacjk to square one we never be able to discuss that consensus building document on 17 Tomorrow is 12 ,Saturday and Suday are off We have only Monday and on Tuesday 16 WE HAVE TO WARP UP. Regards Kavouss 2014-09-11 17:12 GMT+02:00 <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de>:
Milton, cherry- picking should be not permitted - by consensus!😉
Wolf-Ulrich
Sent from my personal phone
Am 11.09.2014 um 17:05 schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu>:
Ah, the "consensus" document. Luckily for me I will be on airplanes that whole time on the 17th ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: Patrik Fältström [mailto:paf@frobbit.se] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:37 AM To: Milton L Mueller Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
Milton,
I think we can only have one topic per call, and we definitely need one call on the 17th for the consensus document. Whether we need the 2nd is something we can discuss when we are say one week away from that call -- at which time it can be cancelled.
Patrik
On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:32, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not sure why we need two of these calls. Wouldn't one do? We just had a meeting and we will have another one in LA.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:09 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
All,
Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.
As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.
The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00.
Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page:
<http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56>
Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.
Patrik Fältström
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Dear Kavouss, my apologies but I do not entirely understand your email, especially the first part. Maybe is was not complete when you sent it? Thanks, Paul On 12 Sep 2014, at 5:43 am, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All, G11 after the formal closure of ICG met and agreed on some principles I did implement those priciples several colleagues like Wolf, Jari ,Manal commented Those comments were implemented. Some editorial and corrections were also made. Martin wanted more time. However, all of a sudden another ICG totally up side down the process and disagee with the basic principle that was almost agreed i.e. case by case.approach This sort of reaction is not productive nor constructive If someone pushes for its own views and bring us bacjk to square one we never be able to discuss that consensus building document on 17 Tomorrow is 12 ,Saturday and Suday are off We have only Monday and on Tuesday 16 WE HAVE TO WARP UP. Regards Kavouss
2014-09-11 17:12 GMT+02:00 <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de>: Milton, cherry- picking should be not permitted - by consensus!😉
Wolf-Ulrich
Sent from my personal phone
Am 11.09.2014 um 17:05 schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu>:
Ah, the "consensus" document. Luckily for me I will be on airplanes that whole time on the 17th ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: Patrik Fältström [mailto:paf@frobbit.se] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:37 AM To: Milton L Mueller Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
Milton,
I think we can only have one topic per call, and we definitely need one call on the 17th for the consensus document. Whether we need the 2nd is something we can discuss when we are say one week away from that call -- at which time it can be cancelled.
Patrik
On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:32, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not sure why we need two of these calls. Wouldn't one do? We just had a meeting and we will have another one in LA.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:09 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
All,
Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.
As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.
The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00.
Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page:
<http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56>
Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.
Patrik Fältström
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Dear Paul, Thank you very much for reply The message is clear but I can further explain it You have witnessed that I am among the most active GAC ICG and among the most active members of ICG out of 700 messages exchanged ,more thins 300 emanated from me I spent and invested time and efforts to contribute to the process After ICG 06 September closure time, 11 ICG members got together to find solution for the consensus document. After some discussions , I proposed a compromise so as not to be very specific but to leave the door open for sensitive issues based on their merits and under circumstances they are /will be discussed I therefore proposed to remove all sensitive issues such as Quorum, Voting on specific subject matter, Quantitative Majority and Minority, and also removing qualitative adjectives for describing majority, minority, oppositions agreement but address the matter in a general manner/approach including direct reference to "case by case concept". The compromise solution was unanimously agreed upon In return to my room on that date I revised the Consensus building document based on those principles and sent it to all. On 07 September, I made some purely editorial amendments and resent it again to all ICG members I received comments from few colleagues ( Marry, Joe, Wolf ,Jari , Manal and few others. I implemented all those suggestions. I then sent out a clean version to everybody. One or two ICG persons who neither were present at ICG meeting nor at that G11 ,put in question those principle which is normally practiced in all international meetings While I fully recognized the legitimate right of each and every ICG member to freely express and submit their view points, I am not comfortable that those colleagues bring us back to square one and pushing to impose their views which were the origin of all these disagreement. Dear All, This sort of reaction is neither productive nor constructive If someone pushes for its own views and brings us back to square one we never be able to discuss that consensus building document on 17September at conference call established for this purpose Today is 12 September, Saturday and Sunday are off .We have therefore only Monday and .as on Tuesday 16 we have to warp up I am not optimistic to reach any agreement at that conference call because most of the time the floor is occupied by very few persons ,in particular, by one person who acts as spokesman of God and acts as the Judge or the Master of everybody. I hope this explanation is satisfactory and properly replied to your views During the last months ( from 17 Jul till now) only representative from one operational community pushed that their community views shall prevail.The language used in all text mostly coming from that community ,the consensus building approach initially proposed is also coming from that community. In fact it is legitimate that someone begins to propose something but the problem is that one should not insist to impose the views of that community to the others .We should not listen to our own views but listen to everybody views and be ready to negotiate and compromise . . Regards Kavouss 2014-09-11 23:59 GMT+02:00 Paul Wilson <pwilson@apnic.net>:
Dear Kavouss,
my apologies but I do not entirely understand your email, especially the first part. Maybe is was not complete when you sent it?
Thanks,
Paul
On 12 Sep 2014, at 5:43 am, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All, G11 after the formal closure of ICG met and agreed on some principles I did implement those priciples several colleagues like Wolf, Jari ,Manal commented Those comments were implemented. Some editorial and corrections were also made. Martin wanted more time. However, all of a sudden another ICG totally up side down the process and disagee with the basic principle that was almost agreed i.e. case by case.approach This sort of reaction is not productive nor constructive If someone pushes for its own views and bring us bacjk to square one we never be able to discuss that consensus building document on 17 Tomorrow is 12 ,Saturday and Suday are off We have only Monday and on Tuesday 16 WE HAVE TO WARP UP. Regards Kavouss
2014-09-11 17:12 GMT+02:00 <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de>: Milton, cherry- picking should be not permitted - by consensus!😉
Wolf-Ulrich
Sent from my personal phone
Am 11.09.2014 um 17:05 schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu>:
Ah, the "consensus" document. Luckily for me I will be on airplanes that whole time on the 17th ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: Patrik Fältström [mailto:paf@frobbit.se] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:37 AM To: Milton L Mueller Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
Milton,
I think we can only have one topic per call, and we definitely need one call on the 17th for the consensus document. Whether we need the 2nd is something we can discuss when we are say one week away from that call -- at which time it can be cancelled.
Patrik
On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:32, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not sure why we need two of these calls. Wouldn't one do? We just had a meeting and we will have another one in LA.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:09 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences
All,
Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.
As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.
The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00.
Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page:
<http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56>
Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.
Patrik Fältström
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Kavouss, All, May I request to all participants on this list refrain from personally attacking each other. The work we do is based on respect. That we do have disagreements is one thing, but personal attacks like this I do not want to see. It does not make cooperation and collaboration easier in the future. Please calm down! Patrik Fältström co-chair of ICG On 12 Sep 2014, at 14:24, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not optimistic to reach any agreement at that conference call because most of the time the floor is occupied by very few persons ,in particular, by one person who acts as spokesman of God and acts as the Judge or the Master of everybody.
Thanks Patrik. I support the proposal for 2 calls. Paul. On 11 Sep 2014, at 4:09 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
All,
Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.
As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.
The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start earlier than 20:00.
Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the following web page:
<http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56>
Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.
Patrik Fältström
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