Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building
Jari Just to note that it's best to discuss a process solution before a controversy emerges so I think that time spent now is advisable... Joe Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Martin Boyle [Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk] Received: Saturday, 06 Sep 2014, 12:35AM To: Jari Arkko [jari.arkko@piuha.net]; WUKnoben [wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] CC: Coordination Group [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building I think that this is very sensible, Jari. I still think it will be worth noting "... a *small* minority disagree..." -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: 05 September 2014 17:20 To: WUKnoben Cc: Coordination Group Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building I think the dedicated voting thresholds make the process too rigid and formal. I think the explanation of making an attempt to reach consensus or at the very least having only a minority disagree is sufficient. At the end of the day, rather than pure numbers the actual situation has to be taken into account and a decision has to be made. My meta comment is also that we're spending a lot of time in designing the process for the controversial situations, when it is quite obvious that if we fail to reach broad consensus on the proposal the NTIA will in any case observe that their requirements have not been fulfilled. (I do believe we will likely get _some_ controversy no matter how perfect the solution will be. But it is a different thing to have a couple of extreme opinions vs. significant parts of the communities having a problem.) Jari _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Sorry that the attachment was missing Here it is again Kavouss 2014-09-06 7:33 GMT+02:00 Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>:
Jari
Just to note that it's best to discuss a process solution before a controversy emerges so I think that time spent now is advisable...
Joe
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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Boyle [Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk] Received: Saturday, 06 Sep 2014, 12:35AM To: Jari Arkko [jari.arkko@piuha.net]; WUKnoben [ wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] CC: Coordination Group [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building
I think that this is very sensible, Jari. I still think it will be worth noting "... a *small* minority disagree..."
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: 05 September 2014 17:20 To: WUKnoben Cc: Coordination Group Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building
I think the dedicated voting thresholds make the process too rigid and formal. I think the explanation of making an attempt to reach consensus or at the very least having only a minority disagree is sufficient. At the end of the day, rather than pure numbers the actual situation has to be taken into account and a decision has to be made.
My meta comment is also that we're spending a lot of time in designing the process for the controversial situations, when it is quite obvious that if we fail to reach broad consensus on the proposal the NTIA will in any case observe that their requirements have not been fulfilled.
(I do believe we will likely get _some_ controversy no matter how perfect the solution will be. But it is a different thing to have a couple of extreme opinions vs. significant parts of the communities having a problem.)
Jari
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I have added this to the dropbox. Patrik On 6 sep 2014, at 09:35, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry that the attachment was missing Here it is again Kavouss
2014-09-06 7:33 GMT+02:00 Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>: Jari
Just to note that it's best to discuss a process solution before a controversy emerges so I think that time spent now is advisable...
Joe
Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Boyle [Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk] Received: Saturday, 06 Sep 2014, 12:35AM To: Jari Arkko [jari.arkko@piuha.net]; WUKnoben [wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] CC: Coordination Group [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building
I think that this is very sensible, Jari. I still think it will be worth noting "... a *small* minority disagree..."
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: 05 September 2014 17:20 To: WUKnoben Cc: Coordination Group Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building
I think the dedicated voting thresholds make the process too rigid and formal. I think the explanation of making an attempt to reach consensus or at the very least having only a minority disagree is sufficient. At the end of the day, rather than pure numbers the actual situation has to be taken into account and a decision has to be made.
My meta comment is also that we're spending a lot of time in designing the process for the controversial situations, when it is quite obvious that if we fail to reach broad consensus on the proposal the NTIA will in any case observe that their requirements have not been fulfilled.
(I do believe we will likely get _some_ controversy no matter how perfect the solution will be. But it is a different thing to have a couple of extreme opinions vs. significant parts of the communities having a problem.)
Jari
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Patrik Fältström