Re: [Internal-cg] RES: Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
I would suggest a slight modification to "the ICANN Board can submit comments through the established procedures for public comment" this broader construct also covers the ability to comment on things other than the final proposal... Otherwise a very helpful draft. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos Junior [jandyr.santos@itamaraty.gov.br] Received: Wednesday, 22 Oct 2014, 8:36AM To: 'Manal Ismail' [manal@tra.gov.eg]; Subrenat, Jean-Jacques [jjs@dyalog.net] CC: internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: [Internal-cg] RES: Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board Dear Manal, Jean-Jacques, colleagues, As you remember Alissa asked 3 of us (Lynn, Xiadong and myself) to draft a possible compromise text to Q#15 on the role of the ICANN Board in submitting the transition proposal to the NTIA. Here it is a possible draft that tries to merge in a single text multiple suggestions on the issue. The ICG is independent of the ICANN board. The board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons (Mrs Elise Gerich, IANA Staff Expert; and Mr Kuo-Wei Wu, ICANN Board Liaison), who are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the board and ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN board can submit public comments to the ICG about the final proposal. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN board, but the Board does not have community approval to modify or approve the ICG's proposal. When the ICG submits its final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well. Hope it can be useful. Best regards, Jandyr -----Mensagem original----- De: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] Em nome de Manal Ismail Enviada em: quarta-feira, 22 de outubro de 2014 08:29 Para: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Assunto: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board Thanks Jean-Jacques .. Fair enough .. Then we still have 3 alternative drafts on the table .. Any weighing preferences from other colleagues? Kind Regards --Manal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:59 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Thanks Manal. I still prefer my wording, which refers to a document, and that's an advantage. If my proposal was not accepted, I could agree with Milton's suggestion (as already indicated in a previous email). James' formulation, which merely expresses an expectation, is weaker than both Milton's and mine.
Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Manal Ismail" <manal@tra.gov.eg> À: "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu>, "Demi Getschko" <epusp75@gmail.com>, internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Octobre 2014 11:45:55 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
So here is where we stand on this now ..
[Milton Mueller: but the Board does not have community approval to modify or approve the ICG's proposal.] or [Jean-Jacques: Consistent with its charter, the ICG considers that in transmitting the Transition Plan to NTIA, the ICANN Board shall not modify the Plan itself.] or [James Bladel: The ICG expects that its proposal, having achieved consensus on the Coordination Group and within the Operational Communities, will be welcomed by the ICANN Board and dutifully transmitted to NTIA.]
Any preferences for other colleagues .. Jean-Jacques, mentioning you are ok with Milton's latest formulation does this mean I should delete the second alternative?
Kind Regards --Manal
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:50 PM To: 'Demi Getschko'; 'internal-cg@icann.org' Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
Looks like that formulation is being "authorized" er, APPROVED heh
-----Original Message-----
+1 demi From: joseph alhadeff [mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com]
That works.
On 10/21/2014 05:16 PM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
"does not have community approval" suits me.
Jean-Jacques.
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Jandyr, the new draft paragraph has my approval. Thanks. Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Joseph Alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> À: manal@tra.gov.eg, jjs@dyalog.net, "jandyr santos" <jandyr.santos@itamaraty.gov.br> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Octobre 2014 15:09:44 Objet: RE: [Internal-cg] RES: Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board I would suggest a slight modification to "the ICANN Board can submit comments through the established procedures for public comment" this broader construct also covers the ability to comment on things other than the final proposal... Otherwise a very helpful draft. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos Junior [jandyr.santos@itamaraty.gov.br] Received: Wednesday, 22 Oct 2014, 8:36AM To: 'Manal Ismail' [manal@tra.gov.eg]; Subrenat, Jean-Jacques [jjs@dyalog.net] CC: internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: [Internal-cg] RES: Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board Dear Manal, Jean-Jacques, colleagues, As you remember Alissa asked 3 of us (Lynn, Xiadong and myself) to draft a possible compromise text to Q#15 on the role of the ICANN Board in submitting the transition proposal to the NTIA. Here it is a possible draft that tries to merge in a single text multiple suggestions on the issue. The ICG is independent of the ICANN board. The board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons (Mrs Elise Gerich, IANA Staff Expert; and Mr Kuo-Wei Wu, ICANN Board Liaison), who are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the board and ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN board can submit public comments to the ICG about the final proposal. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN board, but the Board does not have community approval to modify or approve the ICG's proposal. When the ICG submits its final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well. Hope it can be useful. Best regards, Jandyr -----Mensagem original----- De: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] Em nome de Manal Ismail Enviada em: quarta-feira, 22 de outubro de 2014 08:29 Para: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Assunto: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board Thanks Jean-Jacques .. Fair enough .. Then we still have 3 alternative drafts on the table .. Any weighing preferences from other colleagues? Kind Regards --Manal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:59 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Thanks Manal. I still prefer my wording, which refers to a document, and that's an advantage. If my proposal was not accepted, I could agree with Milton's suggestion (as already indicated in a previous email). James' formulation, which merely expresses an expectation, is weaker than both Milton's and mine.
Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Manal Ismail" <manal@tra.gov.eg> À: "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu>, "Demi Getschko" <epusp75@gmail.com>, internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Octobre 2014 11:45:55 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
So here is where we stand on this now ..
[Milton Mueller: but the Board does not have community approval to modify or approve the ICG's proposal.] or [Jean-Jacques: Consistent with its charter, the ICG considers that in transmitting the Transition Plan to NTIA, the ICANN Board shall not modify the Plan itself.] or [James Bladel: The ICG expects that its proposal, having achieved consensus on the Coordination Group and within the Operational Communities, will be welcomed by the ICANN Board and dutifully transmitted to NTIA.]
Any preferences for other colleagues .. Jean-Jacques, mentioning you are ok with Milton's latest formulation does this mean I should delete the second alternative?
Kind Regards --Manal
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:50 PM To: 'Demi Getschko'; 'internal-cg@icann.org' Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
Looks like that formulation is being "authorized" er, APPROVED heh
-----Original Message-----
+1 demi From: joseph alhadeff [mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com]
That works.
On 10/21/2014 05:16 PM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
"does not have community approval" suits me.
Jean-Jacques.
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Perfect! --MM
-----Original Message----- Here it is a possible draft that tries to merge in a single text multiple suggestions on the issue.
The ICG is independent of the ICANN board. The board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons (Mrs Elise Gerich, IANA Staff Expert; and Mr Kuo-Wei Wu, ICANN Board Liaison), who are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the board and ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN board can submit public comments to the ICG about the final proposal. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN board, but the Board does not have community approval to modify or approve the ICG's proposal. When the ICG submits its final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well.
Noted .. Will be reflected in a new version dated Oct 23rd .. Kind regards --Manal -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Alhadeff [mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:10 PM To: Manal Ismail; jjs@dyalog.net; jandyr.santos@itamaraty.gov.br Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: RE: [Internal-cg] RES: Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board I would suggest a slight modification to "the ICANN Board can submit comments through the established procedures for public comment" this broader construct also covers the ability to comment on things other than the final proposal... Otherwise a very helpful draft. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos Junior [jandyr.santos@itamaraty.gov.br] Received: Wednesday, 22 Oct 2014, 8:36AM To: 'Manal Ismail' [manal@tra.gov.eg]; Subrenat, Jean-Jacques [jjs@dyalog.net] CC: internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: [Internal-cg] RES: Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board Dear Manal, Jean-Jacques, colleagues, As you remember Alissa asked 3 of us (Lynn, Xiadong and myself) to draft a possible compromise text to Q#15 on the role of the ICANN Board in submitting the transition proposal to the NTIA. Here it is a possible draft that tries to merge in a single text multiple suggestions on the issue. The ICG is independent of the ICANN board. The board is represented on the ICG by two liaisons (Mrs Elise Gerich, IANA Staff Expert; and Mr Kuo-Wei Wu, ICANN Board Liaison), who are there to provide information about the IANA functions and to keep the board and ICG informed about the implications of the transition. Like any other member of the community, the ICANN board can submit public comments to the ICG about the final proposal. Consistent with U.S. federal government procurement rules, the NTIA needs to have the final proposal submitted to it by the ICANN board, but the Board does not have community approval to modify or approve the ICG's proposal. When the ICG submits its final proposal to ICANN, it will also be released to the general public and to NTIA as well. Hope it can be useful. Best regards, Jandyr -----Mensagem original----- De: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] Em nome de Manal Ismail Enviada em: quarta-feira, 22 de outubro de 2014 08:29 Para: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Assunto: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board Thanks Jean-Jacques .. Fair enough .. Then we still have 3 alternative drafts on the table .. Any weighing preferences from other colleagues? Kind Regards --Manal Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:59 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Thanks Manal. I still prefer my wording, which refers to a document, and that's an advantage. If my proposal was not accepted, I could agree with Milton's suggestion (as already indicated in a previous email). James' formulation, which merely expresses an expectation, is weaker than both Milton's and mine.
Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Manal Ismail" <manal@tra.gov.eg> À: "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu>, "Demi Getschko" <epusp75@gmail.com>, internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Octobre 2014 11:45:55 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
So here is where we stand on this now ..
[Milton Mueller: but the Board does not have community approval to modify or approve the ICG's proposal.] or [Jean-Jacques: Consistent with its charter, the ICG considers that in transmitting the Transition Plan to NTIA, the ICANN Board shall not modify the Plan itself.] or [James Bladel: The ICG expects that its proposal, having achieved consensus on the Coordination Group and within the Operational Communities, will be welcomed by the ICANN Board and dutifully transmitted to NTIA.]
Any preferences for other colleagues .. Jean-Jacques, mentioning you are ok with Milton's latest formulation does this mean I should delete the second alternative?
Kind Regards --Manal
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:50 PM To: 'Demi Getschko'; 'internal-cg@icann.org' Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Revised Text on Question about ICG and ICANN board
Looks like that formulation is being "authorized" er, APPROVED heh
-----Original Message-----
+1 demi From: joseph alhadeff [mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com]
That works.
On 10/21/2014 05:16 PM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
"does not have community approval" suits me.
Jean-Jacques.
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