Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper Thanks, Alissa On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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Sorry Alissa, I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended. Best regards, Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper Thanks, Alissa On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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Hi Jean-Jacques, On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors. So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today. Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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Hi everyone, I was unexpectedly and unavoidably off-line the last week; hence the radio silence. I am still catching up on other ICG mail but I would like to support Alissa's mail and comments here. While we may still be debating other points of process, this seems to be a fair representation of the ICG's position. The Chair(s) role are largely administrative, and we really need to move on - we have a lot of very substantive work ahead of us. Also, Jean-Jacques, with all due respect, and in the interest of helping us establish group norms, I have to say that your comment below does not follow the model I believe we are all trying to work to, in fact, it seems to make a unilateral declaration. Although, that may not be your intent. Best, Lynn On Aug 11, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions. --MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss 2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>:
Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
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Hi Kavouss, I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot. Alissa On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>:
Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
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-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
>> Sorry Alissa, >> >> I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on >> this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
>> >> Best regards, >> Jean-Jacques. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Mail original ----- >> De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> >> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> >> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 >> Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward >> >> Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so >> by >> 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as >> follows: >> >> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben >> Patrik Fälström >> Mohamed El Bashir >> Alissa Cooper >> >> >> Thanks, >> Alissa >> >> On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: >> >> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. >>>> Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think >>>> we have a viable path forward. My observations are: >>>> >>>> 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group >>>> demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from >>>> Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had >>>> previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support >>>> from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This >>>> is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally >>>> describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2. >>>> >>>> 2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, >>>> following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we >>>> have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. >>>> >>>> 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic >>>> diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having >>>> geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship >>>> transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion >>>> within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be >>>> required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. >>>> >>>> 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the >>>> methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at >>>> and judge consensus within this group going forward. >>>> >>>> Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: >>>> >>>> Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe >>>> the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these >>>> roles >>>> is: >>>> >>>> Russ Housley >>>> Patrik Fälström >>>> Mohamed El Bashir >>>> Keith Drazek >>>> Alissa Cooper >>>> >>>> (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because >>>> they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over >>>> the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to >>>> withdraw, please say so.) >>>> >>>> Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people >>>> a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, >>>> please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. >>>> >>>> On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and >>>> run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to >>>> help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In >>>> making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic >>>> diversity discussions we’ve had into account. >>>> >>>> Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes >>>> the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus >>>> going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for >>>> discussion when it is ready. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Alissa >>>> >>>> >>>> [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html >>>> >>>> [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html >>>> >>>> [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Internal-cg mailing list >>>> Internal-cg@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg <http://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Internal-cg mailing list >> Internal-cg@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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Good morning Alissa, Colleagues, this is to let you know that the ALAC agrees to the pursuit and conclusion of the selection now under way. Best regards, Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>, "Jon Nevett" <jon@donuts.co> Cc: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 22:22:49 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward Hi Kavouss, I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot. Alissa On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" < kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com > wrote: Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss 2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett < jon@donuts..co > : Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller < mueller@syr.edu > wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
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Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" < jjs@dyalog.net > wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" < alissa@cooperw.in > À: "ICG" < internal-cg@icann.org > Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" < alissa@cooperw.in > wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC..
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
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Colleagues: We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs. We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results. The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th. Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible. Best regards- Joe Please note that On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I'm not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co <mailto:jon@donuts.co>>:
Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu <mailto:mueller@syr.edu>> wrote:
> I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions. > > --MM > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:internal-cg- <mailto:internal-cg-> >> bounces@icann.org <mailto:bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper >> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM >> To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques >> Cc: ICG >> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward >> >> Hi Jean-Jacques, >> >> On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net <mailto:jjs@dyalog.net>> wrote: >> >>> Sorry Alissa, >>> >>> I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on >>> this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended. >> >> As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. >> It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the >> group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best >> extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does >> not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors. >> >> So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later >> today. >> >> Thanks, >> Alissa >> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Jean-Jacques. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Mail original ----- >>> De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in <mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>> >>> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org <mailto:internal-cg@icann.org>> >>> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 >>> Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward >>> >>> Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so >>> by >>> 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as >>> follows: >>> >>> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben >>> Patrik Fälström >>> Mohamed El Bashir >>> Alissa Cooper >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alissa >>> >>> On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in <mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. >>>> Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think >>>> we have a viable path forward. My observations are: >>>> >>>> 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group >>>> demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from >>>> Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had >>>> previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support >>>> from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This >>>> is what some people might call "consensus" and what I would normally >>>> describe as "rough consensus" in support of 1+2. >>>> >>>> 2. We have very strong support for a "1+something" chair structure, >>>> following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don't think we >>>> have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. >>>> >>>> 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic >>>> diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having >>>> geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship >>>> transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion >>>> within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be >>>> required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. >>>> >>>> 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the >>>> methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at >>>> and judge consensus within this group going forward. >>>> >>>> Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: >>>> >>>> Go forward with a 1+2 structure --- 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe >>>> the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these >>>> roles >>>> is: >>>> >>>> Russ Housley >>>> Patrik Fälström >>>> Mohamed El Bashir >>>> Keith Drazek >>>> Alissa Cooper >>>> >>>> (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because >>>> they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over >>>> the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to >>>> withdraw, please say so.) >>>> >>>> Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people >>>> a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, >>>> please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. >>>> >>>> On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and >>>> run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to >>>> help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In >>>> making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic >>>> diversity discussions we've had into account. >>>> >>>> Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes >>>> the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus >>>> going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for >>>> discussion when it is ready. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Alissa >>>> >>>> >>>> [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html >>>> >>>> [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html >>>> >>>> [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Internal-cg mailing list >>>> Internal-cg@icann.orghttps <mailto:Internal-cg@icann.orghttps>://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg <http://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Internal-cg mailing list >>> Internal-cg@icann.org <mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Internal-cg mailing list >> Internal-cg@icann.org <mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg > _______________________________________________ > Internal-cg mailing list > Internal-cg@icann.org <mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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My votes are for: Chair: Alissa Cooper Cochair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Cochair: Mohamed El Bashir In making this selection I am looking for the maximum diversity of perspective, considering not only the nominating community but other experience of the candidate. I trust that all three will continue to be very active in the committee and in their roles, and I thank them for their hard work! I also give no preference or priority in my ordering of the co-chair votes. Paul. On 14 Aug 2014, at 8:11 am, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
Please note that
On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
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Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
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Interim Chair replied to my message that the deadline she had set could not be changed. Martin's suggestion to add one candidate (Keith Davidson) is not acceptable as was made outside of the deadline, without prior consultation and agreement of the others. We were first given 4 candidates with a deadline, now we are told it's 5 candidates and the deadline was changed without consultation. Resorting to ad-hoc processes is regrettable. Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net> À: "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 13 Août 2014 15:30:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote My votes are for: Chair: Alissa Cooper Cochair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Cochair: Mohamed El Bashir In making this selection I am looking for the maximum diversity of perspective, considering not only the nominating community but other experience of the candidate. I trust that all three will continue to be very active in the committee and in their roles, and I thank them for their hard work! I also give no preference or priority in my ordering of the co-chair votes. Paul. On 14 Aug 2014, at 8:11 am, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
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On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
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Hello all, It was the late notice that we had that Keith Drazek was removing his nomination that triggered some of us to think that an alternative from the Names community as one of the co-chairs might have been a useful thing, hence Martin Boyle's late nomination for me. I had hoped that there would have been understanding and a desire for constituency diversity of the representation of the elected chair and co-chairs. However, given the objection to my nomination, I will withdraw my nomination immediately. I would ask our interim chair to ask anyone who has included my name in a vote to be able to recast their vote. Cheers Keith On 14/08/2014 12:05 p.m., Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
Interim Chair replied to my message that the deadline she had set could not be changed. Martin's suggestion to add one candidate (Keith Davidson) is not acceptable as was made outside of the deadline, without prior consultation and agreement of the others. We were first given 4 candidates with a deadline, now we are told it's 5 candidates and the deadline was changed without consultation. Resorting to ad-hoc processes is regrettable. Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net> À: "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 13 Août 2014 15:30:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote
My votes are for:
Chair: Alissa Cooper Cochair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Cochair: Mohamed El Bashir
In making this selection I am looking for the maximum diversity of perspective, considering not only the nominating community but other experience of the candidate. I trust that all three will continue to be very active in the committee and in their roles, and I thank them for their hard work!
I also give no preference or priority in my ordering of the co-chair votes.
Paul.
On 14 Aug 2014, at 8:11 am, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
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On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
> Hi all, > > Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. > Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think > we have a viable path forward. My observations are: > > 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group > demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from > Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had > previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support > from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This > is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally > describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2. > > 2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, > following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we > have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. > > 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic > diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having > geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship > transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion > within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be > required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. > > 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the > methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at > and judge consensus within this group going forward. > > Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: > > Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe > the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these > roles > is: > > Russ Housley > Patrik Fälström > Mohamed El Bashir > Keith Drazek > Alissa Cooper > > (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because > they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over > the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to > withdraw, please say so.) > > Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people > a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, > please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. > > On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and > run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to > help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In > making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic > diversity discussions we’ve had into account. > > Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes > the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus > going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for > discussion when it is ready. > > Thanks, > Alissa > > > [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html > > [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html > > [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Internal-cg mailing list > Internal-cg@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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I will hold back with voting until Alissa or Joe have had a chance to respond to Jean-Jacques' challenge of process regarding the late addition of Keith Davidson to the slate. Note well that I personally agree with the choice of being pragmatic and add Keith rather than strictly follow the process here. However the challenge has been made and needs to be resolved before I feel able to vote. Daniel
Keith Davidson has indeed confirmed to myself, Joe, and Martin off-list that he is willing to serve. His nomination came in some hours late as Martin was on leave prior to the deadline. My thinking here is that we should give people the benefit of the doubt when they seem to be acting in good faith. Given that having Keith's name on the list of volunteers doesn't affect the rest of the list (and each person can vote for whichever people whose candidacies they find legitimate), I think we're in good shape to carry on with the process Joe outlined. Cheers, Alissa On 8/14/14, 1:16 AM, "Daniel Karrenberg" <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
I will hold back with voting until Alissa or Joe have had a chance to respond to Jean-Jacques' challenge of process regarding the late addition of Keith Davidson to the slate.
Note well that I personally agree with the choice of being pragmatic and add Keith rather than strictly follow the process here. However the challenge has been made and needs to be resolved before I feel able to vote.
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My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Cochair: Patrik Fälström Cochair: Mohamed El Bashir Russ
My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Mohamed el Bashir Co-chair: Keith Davidson Martin
My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Mohamed el Bashir Co-chair: Wolf-Ulrich
My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Patrik Falstrom Co-chair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Best, Jon On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:11 PM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
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On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
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My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Vice-Chair: Patrik Falstrom Vice-Chair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Regards, Russ
On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:11 PM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
Please note that
On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
> Hi all, > > Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. > Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think > we have a viable path forward. My observations are: > > 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group > demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from > Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had > previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support > from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This > is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally > describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2. > > 2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, > following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we > have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. > > 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic > diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having > geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship > transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion > within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be > required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. > > 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the > methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at > and judge consensus within this group going forward. > > Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: > > Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe > the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these > roles > is: > > Russ Housley > Patrik Fälström > Mohamed El Bashir > Keith Drazek > Alissa Cooper > > (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because > they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over > the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to > withdraw, please say so.) > > Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people > a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, > please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. > > On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and > run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to > help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In > making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic > diversity discussions we’ve had into account. > > Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes > the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus > going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for > discussion when it is ready. > > Thanks, > Alissa > > > [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html > > [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html > > [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Internal-cg mailing list > Internal-cg@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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My votes: - Alissa Cooper - Patrik Fälström - Mohamed El Bashir I have confidence in all nominees. We will be in good hands regardless of who is selected. Best, Keith On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:12 PM, "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com<mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>> wrote: Colleagues: We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs. We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results. The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com<mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th. Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible. Best regards- Joe Please note that On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: Hi Kavouss, I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot. Alissa On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss 2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co<mailto:jon@donuts.co>>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu<mailto:mueller@syr.edu>> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
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Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net<mailto:jjs@dyalog.net>> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in<mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:internal-cg@icann.org>> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in<mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
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My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Patrik Fälström Co-chair: Mohamed El Bashir Best Regards, -- Prof. Xiaodong Lee CEO, CNNIC xmpp: xiaodong.lee@jabber.org 发件人: joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> 组织: Oracle Corporation 日期: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:11:19 -0400 至: <internal-cg@icann.org> 主题: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
Please note that
On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa,
What about the Vice chairs
'
Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>:
Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
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>> -----Original Message----- >> From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- >> bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper >> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM >> To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques >> Cc: ICG >> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward >> >> Hi Jean-Jacques, >> >> On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote: >> > >>> Sorry Alissa, > >>> > >>> I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way > forward on > >>> this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended. >> >> As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. >> It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the >> group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best >> extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does >> not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors. >> >> So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later >> today. >> >> Thanks, >> Alissa >> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Jean-Jacques. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Mail original ----- > >>> De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> > >>> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> > >>> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 > >>> Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward > >>> > >>> Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do
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> >>> by > >>> 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers > is as > >>> follows: > >>> > >>> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben > >>> Patrik Fälström > >>> Mohamed El Bashir > >>> Alissa Cooper > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Alissa > >>> > >>> On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: > >>> > >>> >> >>>> Hi all, >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. >> >>>> Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think >> >>>> we have a viable path forward. My observations are: >> >>>> >> >>>> 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group >> >>>> demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from >> >>>> Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had >> >>>> previously stated preferences for other structures, and even >> support >> >>>> from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This >> >>>> is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would >> normally >> >>>> describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2. >> >>>> >> >>>> 2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair >> structure, >> >>>> following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we >> >>>> have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. >> >>>> >> >>>> 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic >> >>>> diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having >> >>>> geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship >> >>>> transition plan development process. We have differences of >> opinion >> >>>> within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be >> >>>> required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. >> >>>> >> >>>> 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the >> >>>> methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to >> arrive at >> >>>> and judge consensus within this group going forward. >> >>>> >> >>>> Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: >> >>>> >> >>>> Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I >> believe >> >>>> the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these >> >>>> roles >> >>>> is: >> >>>> >> >>>> Russ Housley >> >>>> Patrik Fälström >> >>>> Mohamed El Bashir >> >>>> Keith Drazek >> >>>> Alissa Cooper >> >>>> >> >>>> (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people >> because >> >>>> they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over >> >>>> the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people >> wants to >> >>>> withdraw, please say so.) >> >>>> >> >>>> Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give >> people >> >>>> a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, >> >>>> please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. >> >>>> >> >>>> On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair >> roles and >> >>>> run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to >> >>>> help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection >> process. In >> >>>> making their selections, ICG participants should take the >> geographic >> >>>> diversity discussions we’ve had into account. >> >>>> >> >>>> Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that >> describes >> >>>> the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging >> consensus >> >>>> going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for >> >>>> discussion when it is ready. >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, >> >>>> Alissa >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> [i] >> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html >> >>>> >> >>>> [ii] >> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html >> >>>> >> >>>> [iii] >> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Internal-cg mailing list >> >>>> >> Internal-cg@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg >> <http://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Internal-cg mailing list > >>> Internal-cg@icann.org > >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Internal-cg mailing list >> Internal-cg@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Mohamed El Bashir Co-chair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben As I have said before Patrik would be a perfectly good choice for co-chair as well. However in this particular case I consider having someone from the names communities more important for the group.
A difficult vote, given that I trust all the candidates, and have worked with several of them. I’m sure all of you would do a great job, and all have your unique expertise. Then again, there is also plenty of work to be done by all of us, lets keep some people also for the actual work :-) My votes are as follows: Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Mohamed El Bashir Co-chair: Patrik Faltstrom Jari
Anyone count? :-) Kuo Wu Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> 於 2014/8/19 1:56 寫道：
A difficult vote, given that I trust all the candidates, and have worked with several of them. I’m sure all of you would do a great job, and all have your unique expertise. Then again, there is also plenty of work to be done by all of us, lets keep some people also for the actual work :-)
My votes are as follows:
Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Mohamed El Bashir Co-chair: Patrik Faltstrom
Jari
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Colleagues: The votes are in: Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously. The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14). The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik. A number of people commented on the difficulty of the choice and the suitability of all candidates to the role. Thanks to all who participated and congratulations to our officers. Joe
Thanks Joe, and congratulations to all concerned! (but moreover, many thanks for your willingness to do this work). Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg@apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38 On 19 Aug 2014, at 2:43 pm, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
The votes are in:
Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously.
The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14).
The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik.
A number of people commented on the difficulty of the choice and the suitability of all candidates to the role.
Thanks to all who participated and congratulations to our officers.
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Warm congratulations to those elected! Thanks to the candidates for having put forward their names! Thank you Joe for doing this work! Best regards, Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net> À: "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Lundi 18 Août 2014 21:48:02 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote Thanks Joe, and congratulations to all concerned! (but moreover, many thanks for your willingness to do this work). Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg@apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38 On 19 Aug 2014, at 2:43 pm, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
The votes are in:
Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously.
The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14).
The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik.
A number of people commented on the difficulty of the choice and the suitability of all candidates to the role.
Thanks to all who participated and congratulations to our officers.
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Thanks to all those standing. Comiserations to all that got elected. ;-) Daniel
Congratulations Alissa, Mohamed and Patrik .. Thanks to all who have expressed willingness and thanks to Joe for running the vote .. Kind Regards --Manal -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:56 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote Thanks to all those standing. Comiserations to all that got elected. ;-) Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Congratulations to Alissa and the Vice Chairs. Thank you Joe for guiding us to this destination. Mary Uduma Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN -----Original Message----- From: joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> Sender: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 00:43:39 To: <internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote Colleagues: The votes are in: Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously. The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14). The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik. A number of people commented on the difficulty of the choice and the suitability of all candidates to the role. Thanks to all who participated and congratulations to our officers. Joe _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Congratulations to Alissa, Mohamed and Patrik! You'll have my full support. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: joseph alhadeff Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:43 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote Colleagues: The votes are in: Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously. The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14). The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik. A number of people commented on the difficulty of the choice and the suitability of all candidates to the role. Thanks to all who participated and congratulations to our officers. Joe _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
+1 ===================================== Congratulations to Alissa, Mohamed and Patrik! You'll have my full support. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: joseph alhadeff Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:43 AM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote Colleagues: The votes are in: Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously. The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14). The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik. A number of people commented on the difficulty of the choice and the suitability of all candidates to the role. Thanks to all who participated and congratulations to our officers. Joe _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
On Aug 19, 2014, at 08:43 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously.
The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14).
The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik.
Congratulations Alissa, Mohamed and Patrik. - a.
On Aug 19, 2014, at 08:43 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously.
The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14).
The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik.
Congratulations Alissa, Mohamed, and Patrik. Thanks so much for your willingness to serve. Russ
Congrats to Alissa, Mohamed and Patrik! demi On 08/19/2014 09:39 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
On Aug 19, 2014, at 08:43 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously.
The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14).
The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik. Congratulations Alissa, Mohamed, and Patrik. Thanks so much for your willingness to serve.
Russ
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Congratulations! and thank you to all who expressed a willingness to come forward. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 08:39 AM To: Coordination Group <internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote On Aug 19, 2014, at 08:43 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Alissa has been confirmed as Chair, unanimously.
The Vice Chair race was very close with a margin of only two votes making the difference (18/16/14). One vote came in technically after the deadline, but did not impact the outcome of the vote (17/15/14).
The Vice Chairs are Mohamed and Patrik.
Congratulations Alissa, Mohamed, and Patrik. Thanks so much for your willingness to serve. Russ _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com:
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote.
My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Cochair: Mohamed El Bashir Cochair: Patrik Fältström Best regards, /Lars-Johan Liman RSSAC co-chair and delegate to ICG #---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Lars-Johan Liman, M.Sc. ! E-mail: liman@netnod.se # Senior Systems Specialist ! Tel: +46 8 - 562 860 12 # Netnod Internet Exchange, Stockholm ! http://www.netnod.se/ #----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello, EL BASHIR Mohamed, COOPER Alissa, FALSTRÖM Patrik. Best regards, Jean-Jacues Subrenat (ALAC). ----- Mail original ----- De: "Lars-Johan Liman" <liman@netnod.se> À: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Lundi 18 Août 2014 06:09:48 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com:
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote.
My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Cochair: Mohamed El Bashir Cochair: Patrik Fältström Best regards, /Lars-Johan Liman RSSAC co-chair and delegate to ICG #---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Lars-Johan Liman, M.Sc. ! E-mail: liman@netnod.se # Senior Systems Specialist ! Tel: +46 8 - 562 860 12 # Netnod Internet Exchange, Stockholm ! http://www.netnod.se/ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Jean-Jacques: I¹m sorry, I do not understand. Can you clarify for which position you are casting your vote per candidate? Or is this in sequential order (chair, cochair1, cochair2)? Thanks‹ J. On 8/18/14, 9:02 , "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Hello,
EL BASHIR Mohamed, COOPER Alissa, FALSTRÖM Patrik.
Best regards, Jean-Jacues Subrenat (ALAC).
----- Mail original ----- De: "Lars-Johan Liman" <liman@netnod.se> À: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Lundi 18 Août 2014 06:09:48 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote
joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com:
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote.
My votes:
Chair: Alissa Cooper Cochair: Mohamed El Bashir Cochair: Patrik Fältström
Best regards, /Lars-Johan Liman RSSAC co-chair and delegate to ICG #---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Lars-Johan Liman, M.Sc. ! E-mail: liman@netnod.se # Senior Systems Specialist ! Tel: +46 8 - 562 860 12 # Netnod Internet Exchange, Stockholm ! http://www.netnod.se/ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Hello, my choice was about 3 individuals, for whatever positions in the Chair structure. Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com> À: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs@dyalog.net>, "Lars-Johan Liman" <liman@netnod.se> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Lundi 18 Août 2014 07:15:36 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote Jean-Jacques: I¹m sorry, I do not understand. Can you clarify for which position you are casting your vote per candidate? Or is this in sequential order (chair, cochair1, cochair2)? Thanks‹ J. On 8/18/14, 9:02 , "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Hello,
EL BASHIR Mohamed, COOPER Alissa, FALSTRÖM Patrik.
Best regards, Jean-Jacues Subrenat (ALAC).
----- Mail original ----- De: "Lars-Johan Liman" <liman@netnod.se> À: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Lundi 18 Août 2014 06:09:48 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Officer Vote
joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com:
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote.
My votes:
Chair: Alissa Cooper Cochair: Mohamed El Bashir Cochair: Patrik Fältström
Best regards, /Lars-Johan Liman RSSAC co-chair and delegate to ICG #---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Lars-Johan Liman, M.Sc. ! E-mail: liman@netnod.se # Senior Systems Specialist ! Tel: +46 8 - 562 860 12 # Netnod Internet Exchange, Stockholm ! http://www.netnod.se/ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Colleagues, My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Mohamed El Bashir Co-chair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben My votes were cast considering diversity and representation; as all the candidates were very strong. Thanks to all who volunteered. Best, Lynn On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:11 PM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
Please note that
On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
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Chair: Alissa Cooper chair: Mohamed El Bashir Co-chair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben On Monday, August 18, 2014 3:31 PM, Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org> wrote: Colleagues, My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Mohamed El Bashir Co-chair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben My votes were cast considering diversity and representation; as all the candidates were very strong. Thanks to all who volunteered. Best, Lynn On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:11 PM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
Please note that
On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
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Chair: Alissa Cooper Vice-chair: Mohamed El Bashir Vice-chair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Mary Uduma On Monday, August 18, 2014 3:31 PM, Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org> wrote: Colleagues, My votes: Chair: Alissa Cooper Co-chair: Mohamed El Bashir Co-chair: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben My votes were cast considering diversity and representation; as all the candidates were very strong. Thanks to all who volunteered. Best, Lynn On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:11 PM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
We have reached the point where we have agreement on 1 chair plus two vice chairs.
We have the following volunteers for the positions: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Davidson Alissa Cooper
Please cast three specific votes - one for the chair and one for each vice chair. Please make sure to designate the chair vote. We will tabulate the results.
The votes may be made to the list (preferably) or may be made directly to me (joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com). Please place ICG Officer Vote in the subject line so it will be easier to track. Since this process has been underway for quite some time, I am asking that votes be cast by August 18th 23:59 UTC time so that we can announce the results on our call. Whatever the results, I suggest that, as acting chair, Alissa chair the call on the 19th.
Finally, I would remind everyone of the discussions related to diversity, both organizational and geographic and would ask people to keep those important elements in mind when voting. As we finalize the consensus process I will finalize edits to the officer responsibilities document, just to make sure that the description is as accurate and complete as possible.
Best regards-
Joe
Please note that
On 8/11/2014 4:22 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi Kavouss,
I’m not sure that I understand your question, but the process is as I outlined in my mail next week: after 23:59 UTC, we will have the final list of volunteers and Joe will run a selection process for both vice-chair slots and the chair slot.
Alissa
On 8/11/14, 12:43 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Alissa, What about the Vice chairs ' Kavouss
2014-08-11 21:34 GMT+02:00 Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.co>: Agreed. It appears that we have consensus with just a few holdouts. Let's move on. Thanks. Jon
On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I would also support the consensus call here. I believe the overwhelming majority of the group supports 1+2, and that the minority objections to it pertained to regional/citizenship diversity. I thought that these concerns had been met by the withdrawal of K. Drazek as a candidate and the understanding that the +2 would be from different regions.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:48 PM To: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Hi Jean-Jacques,
On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Sorry Alissa,
I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below. It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of objectors.
So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires later today.
Thanks, Alissa
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> À: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as follows:
Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Alissa Cooper
Thanks, Alissa
On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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participants (27)
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Adiel Akplogan -
Alissa Cooper -
Daniel Karrenberg -
Demi Getschko -
Drazek, Keith -
Hartmut Richard Glaser -
Heather.Dryden＠ic.gc.ca -
James M. Bladel -
Jari Arkko -
Jon Nevett -
joseph alhadeff -
Kavouss Arasteh -
Keith Davidson -
Lars-Johan Liman -
Lynn St.Amour -
Manal Ismail -
Martin Boyle -
Mary Uduma -
Milton L Mueller -
mnuduma＠yahoo.com
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Paul Wilson -
Russ Housley -
Russ Mundy -
Subrenat, Jean-Jacques -
Wu Kuo-Wei -
WUKnoben -
Xiaodong Lee