U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding_bill_d... Just read this, and wondering if anyone has more insider information about what it means to this process? My reading is that the transition process cannot start before 30 September 2015. Which in my sense is not that alarming as much as it effectively starts then (it is a transition process). The other part that caught my attention is the fact that the NTIA is required to inform Congress 45 days prior to extending the IANA contract or taking any other decision in regard to it. Which means that the NTIA will have up to the 15th of August 2015 to evaluate the proposal we will submit, in order to present their suggested action to Congress. That gives them only 15 formal days from the time we have planned to submit our proposal. If we build in the 14 days given to ICANN board to assess and deliver this to the NTIA … I don’t see how we will achieve the target without putting emphasis right now on the fact that our published timeline has to be executed as a waterfalls process where many things has to be done in parallel, particularly toward then end. - a.
I certainly do not have any inside information. My opinion, however, is that it probably serves us well to be calm and not too affected by political debates. It is important that we get the transition right, and we will. Lets continue. Events like this are only underlining the need for the transition. Jari
I agree with Jari: while observing (US) politics can be both amusing and depressing at the same time this should not influence our work here. We should make sure that we develop a high quality proposal that all communities can accept; we should continue to do so both within the explicit constraints set by NTIA, which we accepted, and within the time line which we imposed upon ourselves. Nothing more and nothing less. Ceterum censeo: We should watch the progress of all processes very carefully and be prepared to determine that we cannot develop such a proposal within the original time line. We should not wait until the last minute to make this determination. Hope that "it will be allright" and last minute haste may lead to foul compromises and a bad proposal. In my experience the quality of the governance arrangements is much more important in the long run than meeting the deadline of-the-day. Daniel
I am not directly in touch with Washington people because I am traveling, but I fear the situation is a bit worse than Adiel and Jari have described. The funding cutoff is intended to just stop the NTIA from doing the transition. This means that assuming NTIA gets a proposal from us more or less on time, they cannot do anything with it (unless they take it home and work on their own time) until after Sept 30, 2015. Furthermore, since Republicans now control Congress the cutoff could be extended again given the right conditions.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Adiel Akplogan Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:52 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding _bill_delays_iana_transition/
Just read this, and wondering if anyone has more insider information about what it means to this process? My reading is that the transition process cannot start before 30 September 2015. Which in my sense is not that alarming as much as it effectively starts then (it is a transition process). The other part that caught my attention is the fact that the NTIA is required to inform Congress 45 days prior to extending the IANA contract or taking any other decision in regard to it. Which means that the NTIA will have up to the 15th of August 2015 to evaluate the proposal we will submit, in order to present their suggested action to Congress. That gives them only 15 formal days from the time we have planned to submit our proposal. If we build in the 14 days given to ICANN board to assess and deliver this to the NTIA ... I don't see how we will achieve the target without putting emphasis right now on the fact that our published timeline has to be executed as a waterfalls process where many things has to be done in parallel, particularly toward then end.
- a.
I would suggest that we (and the operational communities) proceed on our current course and timeline until we receive information from NTIA or ICANN (as the convener of stakeholders) that indicates a need to change course. Alissa On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not directly in touch with Washington people because I am traveling, but I fear the situation is a bit worse than Adiel and Jari have described.
The funding cutoff is intended to just stop the NTIA from doing the transition. This means that assuming NTIA gets a proposal from us more or less on time, they cannot do anything with it (unless they take it home and work on their own time) until after Sept 30, 2015.
Furthermore, since Republicans now control Congress the cutoff could be extended again given the right conditions.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Adiel Akplogan Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:52 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding _bill_delays_iana_transition/
Just read this, and wondering if anyone has more insider information about what it means to this process? My reading is that the transition process cannot start before 30 September 2015. Which in my sense is not that alarming as much as it effectively starts then (it is a transition process). The other part that caught my attention is the fact that the NTIA is required to inform Congress 45 days prior to extending the IANA contract or taking any other decision in regard to it. Which means that the NTIA will have up to the 15th of August 2015 to evaluate the proposal we will submit, in order to present their suggested action to Congress. That gives them only 15 formal days from the time we have planned to submit our proposal. If we build in the 14 days given to ICANN board to assess and deliver this to the NTIA ... I don't see how we will achieve the target without putting emphasis right now on the fact that our published timeline has to be executed as a waterfalls process where many things has to be done in parallel, particularly toward then end.
- a.
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The bill passed. Here's my blog on the topic, seeking a silver lining in this dark cloud http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/12/12/u-s-congress-man-in-the-middle-...
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 4:45 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
I would suggest that we (and the operational communities) proceed on our current course and timeline until we receive information from NTIA or ICANN (as the convener of stakeholders) that indicates a need to change course.
Alissa
On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not directly in touch with Washington people because I am traveling, but I fear the situation is a bit worse than Adiel and Jari have described.
The funding cutoff is intended to just stop the NTIA from doing the transition. This means that assuming NTIA gets a proposal from us more or less on time, they cannot do anything with it (unless they take it home and work on their own time) until after Sept 30, 2015.
Furthermore, since Republicans now control Congress the cutoff could be extended again given the right conditions.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Adiel Akplogan Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:52 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding
_bill_delays_iana_transition/
Just read this, and wondering if anyone has more insider information about what it means to this process? My reading is that the transition process cannot start before 30 September 2015. Which in my sense is not that alarming as much as it effectively starts then (it is a transition process). The other part that caught my attention is the fact that the NTIA is required to inform Congress 45 days prior to extending the IANA contract or taking any other decision in regard to it. Which means that the NTIA will have up to the 15th of August 2015 to evaluate the proposal we will submit, in order to present their suggested action to Congress. That gives them only 15 formal days from the time we have planned to submit our proposal. If we build in the 14 days given to ICANN board to assess and deliver this to the NTIA ... I don't see how we will achieve the target without putting emphasis right now on the fact that our published timeline has to be executed as a waterfalls process where many things has to be done in parallel, particularly toward then end.
- a.
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Dear All, I agree with those who believe that we need to continue our works as planned I also agreed with those raising red light of alarming that the situation is not so straightforward as some of us believed. For me it was clear that there are people that are not fully in favour of the full fledged transition but keeping some legacy overnighting for DOC. Kavouss 2014-12-12 6:22 GMT+01:00 Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu>:
The bill passed. Here's my blog on the topic, seeking a silver lining in this dark cloud
http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/12/12/u-s-congress-man-in-the-middle-...
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 4:45 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
I would suggest that we (and the operational communities) proceed on our current course and timeline until we receive information from NTIA or ICANN (as the convener of stakeholders) that indicates a need to change course.
Alissa
On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
I am not directly in touch with Washington people because I am traveling, but I fear the situation is a bit worse than Adiel and Jari have described.
The funding cutoff is intended to just stop the NTIA from doing the transition. This means that assuming NTIA gets a proposal from us more or less on time, they cannot do anything with it (unless they take it home and work on their own time) until after Sept 30, 2015.
Furthermore, since Republicans now control Congress the cutoff could be extended again given the right conditions.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg- bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Adiel Akplogan Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:52 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding
_bill_delays_iana_transition/
Just read this, and wondering if anyone has more insider information about what it means to this process? My reading is that the transition process cannot start before 30 September 2015. Which in my sense is not that alarming as much as it effectively starts then (it is a transition process). The other part that caught my attention is the fact that the NTIA is required to inform Congress 45 days prior to extending the IANA contract or taking any other decision in regard to it. Which means that the NTIA will have up to the 15th of August 2015 to evaluate the proposal we will submit, in order to present their suggested action to Congress. That gives them only 15 formal days from the time we have planned to submit our proposal. If we build in the 14 days given to ICANN board to assess and deliver this to the NTIA ... I don't see how we will achieve the target without putting emphasis right now on the fact that our published timeline has to be executed as a waterfalls process where many things has to be done in parallel, particularly toward then end.
- a.
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This thread has provided useful analysis on the prospects of Transition. I found Milton's piece of special interest. Given the genesis of the Transition idea, and as far as process and timeline are concerned, there is only one entity which ccould legitimately change the ICG's course, and that is NTIA. So, while following closely the public debate unfolding on the Hill and elsewhere, we should proceed until we receive a FORMAL notification from NTIA to take a different course or to disband. Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> À: "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu> Cc: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 12 Décembre 2014 10:03:20 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition Dear All, I agree with those who believe that we need to continue our works as planned I also agreed with those raising red light of alarming that the situation is not so straightforward as some of us believed. For me it was clear that there are people that are not fully in favour of the full fledged transition but keeping some legacy overnighting for DOC. Kavouss 2014-12-12 6:22 GMT+01:00 Milton L Mueller < mueller@syr.edu > : The bill passed. Here's my blog on the topic, seeking a silver lining in this dark cloud http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/12/12/u-s-congress-man-in-the-middle-...
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto: internal-cg-
bounces@icann.org ] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 4:45 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
I would suggest that we (and the operational communities) proceed on our current course and timeline until we receive information from NTIA or ICANN (as the convener of stakeholders) that indicates a need to change course.
Alissa
On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Milton L Mueller < mueller@syr.edu > wrote:
I am not directly in touch with Washington people because I am traveling, but I fear the situation is a bit worse than Adiel and Jari have described.
The funding cutoff is intended to just stop the NTIA from doing the transition. This means that assuming NTIA gets a proposal from us more or less on time, they cannot do anything with it (unless they take it home and work on their own time) until after Sept 30, 2015.
Furthermore, since Republicans now control Congress the cutoff could be extended again given the right conditions.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto: internal-cg- bounces@icann.org ] On Behalf Of Adiel Akplogan Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:52 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding
_bill_delays_iana_transition/
Just read this, and wondering if anyone has more insider information about what it means to this process? My reading is that the transition process cannot start before 30 September 2015. Which in my sense is not that alarming as much as it effectively starts then (it is a transition process). The other part that caught my attention is the fact that the NTIA is required to inform Congress 45 days prior to extending the IANA contract or taking any other decision in regard to it. Which means that the NTIA will have up to the 15th of August 2015 to evaluate the proposal we will submit, in order to present their suggested action to Congress. That gives them only 15 formal days from the time we have planned to submit our proposal. If we build in the 14 days given to ICANN board to assess and deliver this to the NTIA ... I don't see how we will achieve the target without putting emphasis right now on the fact that our published timeline has to be executed as a waterfalls process where many things has to be done in parallel, particularly toward then end.
- a.
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Agree with Jean- Jacques Kavouss 2014-12-16 9:22 GMT+01:00 Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <jjs@dyalog.net>:
This thread has provided useful analysis on the prospects of Transition. I found Milton's piece of special interest.
Given the genesis of the Transition idea, and as far as process and timeline are concerned, there is only one entity which ccould legitimately change the ICG's course, and that is NTIA. So, while following closely the public debate unfolding on the Hill and elsewhere, we should proceed until we receive a FORMAL notification from NTIA to take a different course or to disband.
Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> À: "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu> Cc: "ICG" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 12 Décembre 2014 10:03:20 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
Dear All, I agree with those who believe that we need to continue our works as planned I also agreed with those raising red light of alarming that the situation is not so straightforward as some of us believed. For me it was clear that there are people that are not fully in favour of the full fledged transition but keeping some legacy overnighting for DOC. Kavouss
2014-12-12 6:22 GMT+01:00 Milton L Mueller < mueller@syr.edu > :
The bill passed. Here's my blog on the topic, seeking a silver lining in this dark cloud
http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/12/12/u-s-congress-man-in-the-middle-...
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto: internal-cg-
bounces@icann.org ] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 4:45 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
I would suggest that we (and the operational communities) proceed on our current course and timeline until we receive information from NTIA or ICANN (as the convener of stakeholders) that indicates a need to change course.
Alissa
On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Milton L Mueller < mueller@syr.edu > wrote:
I am not directly in touch with Washington people because I am traveling, but I fear the situation is a bit worse than Adiel and Jari have described.
The funding cutoff is intended to just stop the NTIA from doing the transition. This means that assuming NTIA gets a proposal from us more or less on time, they cannot do anything with it (unless they take it home and work on their own time) until after Sept 30, 2015.
Furthermore, since Republicans now control Congress the cutoff could be extended again given the right conditions.
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto: internal-cg- bounces@icann.org ] On Behalf Of Adiel Akplogan Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:52 AM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] U.S. Government Funding Bill & ANA Transition
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141210_breaking_us_government_funding
_bill_delays_iana_transition/
Just read this, and wondering if anyone has more insider information about what it means to this process? My reading is that the transition process cannot start before 30 September 2015. Which in my sense is not that alarming as much as it effectively starts then (it is a transition process). The other part that caught my attention is the fact that the NTIA is required to inform Congress 45 days prior to extending the IANA contract or taking any other decision in regard to it. Which means that the NTIA will have up to the 15th of August 2015 to evaluate the proposal we will submit, in order to present their suggested action to Congress. That gives them only 15 formal days from the time we have planned to submit our proposal. If we build in the 14 days given to ICANN board to assess and deliver this to the NTIA ... I don't see how we will achieve the target without putting emphasis right now on the fact that our published timeline has to be executed as a waterfalls process where many things has to be done in parallel, particularly toward then end.
- a.
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