Re: [Internal-cg] (no subject)
I would tend to agree with Danil that this creates a false impression. It's, a data point that is significantly less relevant as many of us are here in a representative capacity... it I'd fine to make it known but list it in the bio section... Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Karrenberg [daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net] Received: Tuesday, 05 Aug 2014, 7:22PM To: internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] (no subject) On 1.01.70 1:00 , wrote:
Dear ALICE,
Thank you very much for the file.
pls note that I have explicitly asked the nationality and affiliation of each member.
The requested information could be added simply below the picture.
Regards
k.arasteh
Kavouss, colleagues, I object to listing my nationality and affiliation in this way. I am not here to represent my country nor do I represent my employer. I do not wish our site to give that impression. My nationality and affiliation are a matter of record in the IGC proceedings. My affiliation is prominently mentioned in by biography. I consider that sufficient. Regards Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Dear All, Ok .it seems that you do not agree with the inclusion of nationality in the list .Then I could limit the request that the nationality of each memebr be CLEARLY MENTIONED IN HER OR HIS bio Pls then do that x 2014-08-06 0:22 GMT+02:00 Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>:
I would tend to agree with Danil that this creates a false impression. It's, a data point that is significantly less relevant as many of us are here in a representative capacity... it I'd fine to make it known but list it in the bio section...
Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Karrenberg [daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net] Received: Tuesday, 05 Aug 2014, 7:22PM To: internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] (no subject)
On 1.01.70 1:00 , wrote:
Dear ALICE,
Thank you very much for the file.
pls note that I have explicitly asked the nationality and affiliation of each member.
The requested information could be added simply below the picture.
Regards
k.arasteh
Kavouss, colleagues,
I object to listing my nationality and affiliation in this way. I am not here to represent my country nor do I represent my employer. I do not wish our site to give that impression.
My nationality and affiliation are a matter of record in the IGC proceedings. My affiliation is prominently mentioned in by biography. I consider that sufficient.
Regards
Daniel
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On 6.08.14 7:49 , Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
Dear All, Ok .it seems that you do not agree with the inclusion of nationality in the list .Then I could limit the request that the nationality of each memebr be CLEARLY MENTIONED IN HER OR HIS bio Pls then do that x
Kavouss, colleagues, as a matter of principle I have not mentioned my nationality in published biographies for decades. This information has no place in that context because it does not define who I am in that context. I have included my country of residence in some biographies where that was appropriate and added value. It is entirely unreasonable for anyone to determine what information I choose to publish about myself anywhere; especially since the uninformed reader may draw the wrong conclusion that I consider my nationality important in that context. Thus I see no reason to change this principle now and I will not add my nationality nor my country of residence to my biography as published on the ICG web site or elsewhere. At the same time my nationality is not a secret: I am German. In fact this is a matter of public record in the ICG proceedings. I have no objection against it being listed as part of that public record. I have also indicated that I have no objection to my nationality being included in a tabular overview, such as the one we have recently discussed, as long as I have a say in what such an overview says about myself depending on the context in which it appears. Daniel PS: Just to be clear: I am German, a citizen of the European Union and I am proud of it. I am especially proud that Germany recognises that informational self-determination is a constitutional right. I have fought for this decades ago and it is with great satisfaction that nowadays I see this principle reflected in the laws of many countries in the European Union. PPS: It happens to be 100 years ago this year that a great catastrophe happened where I live: the first world war. I cannot help but observe that an emphasis on nationality over all the other things that define a person contributed a great deal to that terrible war and to many of the wars of the present time.
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