Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc. It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG. If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28. If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG. Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is. So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less. Patrik Fältström
Thanks Patrik, I support. On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment. Best regards Narelle Clark -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG Thanks Patrik, I support. On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
Dear Colleagues, this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but also on other matters of importance. In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some questions of principle have been adequately addressed. Best regards, Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström" <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment. Best regards Narelle Clark -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG Thanks Patrik, I support. On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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Dear Colleagues, I acknowledge the different views on 1. discussing and solving more principle questions about role and number of (co-) chairs and 2. continuing the work of the ICG where the chair shall be given a focal role on taking initiatives and organization Both seems equally necessary. In this regard I suggest to appoint Alissa as Interim Chair with chairperson authorization as described by Patrik until we've finished the principle questions and a following (co-) chair selection. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:32 AM To: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG Dear Colleagues, this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but also on other matters of importance. In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some questions of principle have been adequately addressed. Best regards, Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström" <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment. Best regards Narelle Clark -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG Thanks Patrik, I support. On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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Colleagues: Alissa is already interim chair, as of London. I assume she has been somewhat silent on the topic because of what might be considered a conflict of interest. One point was clear in London however, the Chair does not determine unilaterally what is consensus except for the administrative matters related to running meetings. Where no consensus emerges, the Chair leads a process of coming to consensus. That is different than determining consensus. Thus, I would have to take exception to Patrik's solution of the appointment of one chair resolves the process issue. Furthermore, in this case it might be difficult for the Interim Chair to run the process of consensus related to her possibly becoming chair... I would however suggest, that each of us bears a participatory responsibility. If we don't agree with a proposal we must step forward with opposing or differing views. Those views need to be made known at the earliest opportunity. If this constructive participation does not emerge then our mission is doomed from the outset. My suggestion would be that each decision point provide a fixed time, not less than a week, for consultation. With the exception of consensus on the proposals, which should be more carefully judged, each proposal would then achieve consensus by having a preponderance of the communities entitled to vote (each of the separate groups identified in Patrik's list, excluding liaisons) support it. Comments may also suggest the need for more time to consult on the decision or raise the importance of the issue to justify a more deliberative process. I am fine with the interim chair or secretariat acting as the collection point of views, but they should also be copied to the list for transparency. For the Chair function, it might be best to keep posting to the list. I know folks wanted to avoid levels of bureaucracy, but I prefer established process to endless cycles of review with no potential to conclude... Equally happy to entertain other proposals. Jean-Jacques - you indicated you were consulting with colleagues, can you say when the group will provide an opinion? Open-ended timelines will not help us develop efficient process or workflows. Best- Joe On 7/25/2014 7:17 AM, WUKnoben wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I acknowledge the different views on 1. discussing and solving more principle questions about role and number of (co-) chairs and 2. continuing the work of the ICG where the chair shall be given a focal role on taking initiatives and organization
Both seems equally necessary. In this regard I suggest to appoint Alissa as Interim Chair with chairperson authorization as described by Patrik until we've finished the principle questions and a following (co-) chair selection.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:32 AM To: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Dear Colleagues,
this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but also on other matters of importance.
In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some questions of principle have been adequately addressed.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström" <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment.
Best regards
Narelle Clark
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, I support.
On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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Joe: In various ICANN fora, we have used Doodle polls to determine substantive issues in addition to scheduling meetings. It's a relatively quick way to get a sense of the group and it might be appropriate in this situation. Best, Jon On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:34 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Alissa is already interim chair, as of London. I assume she has been somewhat silent on the topic because of what might be considered a conflict of interest.
One point was clear in London however, the Chair does not determine unilaterally what is consensus except for the administrative matters related to running meetings. Where no consensus emerges, the Chair leads a process of coming to consensus. That is different than determining consensus. Thus, I would have to take exception to Patrik's solution of the appointment of one chair resolves the process issue. Furthermore, in this case it might be difficult for the Interim Chair to run the process of consensus related to her possibly becoming chair...
I would however suggest, that each of us bears a participatory responsibility. If we don't agree with a proposal we must step forward with opposing or differing views. Those views need to be made known at the earliest opportunity. If this constructive participation does not emerge then our mission is doomed from the outset. My suggestion would be that each decision point provide a fixed time, not less than a week, for consultation. With the exception of consensus on the proposals, which should be more carefully judged, each proposal would then achieve consensus by having a preponderance of the communities entitled to vote (each of the separate groups identified in Patrik's list, excluding liaisons) support it. Comments may also suggest the need for more time to consult on the decision or raise the importance of the issue to justify a more deliberative process. I am fine with the interim chair or secretariat acting as the collection point of views, but they should also be copied to the list for transparency. For the Chair function, it might be best to keep posting to the list.
I know folks wanted to avoid levels of bureaucracy, but I prefer established process to endless cycles of review with no potential to conclude... Equally happy to entertain other proposals.
Jean-Jacques - you indicated you were consulting with colleagues, can you say when the group will provide an opinion? Open-ended timelines will not help us develop efficient process or workflows.
Best-
Joe
On 7/25/2014 7:17 AM, WUKnoben wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I acknowledge the different views on 1. discussing and solving more principle questions about role and number of (co-) chairs and 2. continuing the work of the ICG where the chair shall be given a focal role on taking initiatives and organization
Both seems equally necessary. In this regard I suggest to appoint Alissa as Interim Chair with chairperson authorization as described by Patrik until we've finished the principle questions and a following (co-) chair selection.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:32 AM To: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Dear Colleagues,
this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but also on other matters of importance.
In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some questions of principle have been adequately addressed.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström" <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment.
Best regards
Narelle Clark
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, I support.
On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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While I have used doodle I have not set one up, so i would invite anyone so inclined to go forth and doodle. I would however remind everyone that we have a 2 stage question: 1. Composition of Chairs - Three co-chairs or Chair/Alternate+ volunteers 2. Who will serve. Thanks Joe On 7/25/2014 8:45 AM, Jon Nevett wrote:
Joe:
In various ICANN fora, we have used Doodle polls to determine substantive issues in addition to scheduling meetings. It's a relatively quick way to get a sense of the group and it might be appropriate in this situation.
Best,
Jon
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:34 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Alissa is already interim chair, as of London. I assume she has been somewhat silent on the topic because of what might be considered a conflict of interest.
One point was clear in London however, the Chair does not determine unilaterally what is consensus except for the administrative matters related to running meetings. Where no consensus emerges, the Chair leads a process of coming to consensus. That is different than determining consensus. Thus, I would have to take exception to Patrik's solution of the appointment of one chair resolves the process issue. Furthermore, in this case it might be difficult for the Interim Chair to run the process of consensus related to her possibly becoming chair...
I would however suggest, that each of us bears a participatory responsibility. If we don't agree with a proposal we must step forward with opposing or differing views. Those views need to be made known at the earliest opportunity. If this constructive participation does not emerge then our mission is doomed from the outset. My suggestion would be that each decision point provide a fixed time, not less than a week, for consultation. With the exception of consensus on the proposals, which should be more carefully judged, each proposal would then achieve consensus by having a preponderance of the communities entitled to vote (each of the separate groups identified in Patrik's list, excluding liaisons) support it. Comments may also suggest the need for more time to consult on the decision or raise the importance of the issue to justify a more deliberative process. I am fine with the interim chair or secretariat acting as the collection point of views, but they should also be copied to the list for transparency. For the Chair function, it might be best to keep posting to the list.
I know folks wanted to avoid levels of bureaucracy, but I prefer established process to endless cycles of review with no potential to conclude... Equally happy to entertain other proposals.
Jean-Jacques - you indicated you were consulting with colleagues, can you say when the group will provide an opinion? Open-ended timelines will not help us develop efficient process or workflows.
Best-
Joe
On 7/25/2014 7:17 AM, WUKnoben wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I acknowledge the different views on 1. discussing and solving more principle questions about role and number of (co-) chairs and 2. continuing the work of the ICG where the chair shall be given a focal role on taking initiatives and organization
Both seems equally necessary. In this regard I suggest to appoint Alissa as Interim Chair with chairperson authorization as described by Patrik until we've finished the principle questions and a following (co-) chair selection.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:32 AM To: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Dear Colleagues,
this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but also on other matters of importance.
In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some questions of principle have been adequately addressed.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström" <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment.
Best regards
Narelle Clark
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, I support.
On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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I'm sure that the ICANN staff folks could do it if we agree on the questions to ask and that the exercise is worthwhile. Best, jon On Jul 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
While I have used doodle I have not set one up, so i would invite anyone so inclined to go forth and doodle. I would however remind everyone that we have a 2 stage question:
1. Composition of Chairs - Three co-chairs or Chair/Alternate+ volunteers 2. Who will serve.
Thanks
Joe On 7/25/2014 8:45 AM, Jon Nevett wrote:
Joe:
In various ICANN fora, we have used Doodle polls to determine substantive issues in addition to scheduling meetings. It's a relatively quick way to get a sense of the group and it might be appropriate in this situation.
Best,
Jon
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:34 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Alissa is already interim chair, as of London. I assume she has been somewhat silent on the topic because of what might be considered a conflict of interest.
One point was clear in London however, the Chair does not determine unilaterally what is consensus except for the administrative matters related to running meetings. Where no consensus emerges, the Chair leads a process of coming to consensus. That is different than determining consensus. Thus, I would have to take exception to Patrik's solution of the appointment of one chair resolves the process issue. Furthermore, in this case it might be difficult for the Interim Chair to run the process of consensus related to her possibly becoming chair...
I would however suggest, that each of us bears a participatory responsibility. If we don't agree with a proposal we must step forward with opposing or differing views. Those views need to be made known at the earliest opportunity. If this constructive participation does not emerge then our mission is doomed from the outset. My suggestion would be that each decision point provide a fixed time, not less than a week, for consultation. With the exception of consensus on the proposals, which should be more carefully judged, each proposal would then achieve consensus by having a preponderance of the communities entitled to vote (each of the separate groups identified in Patrik's list, excluding liaisons) support it. Comments may also suggest the need for more time to consult on the decision or raise the importance of the issue to justify a more deliberative process. I am fine with the interim chair or secretariat acting as the collection point of views, but they should also be copied to the list for transparency. For the Chair function, it might be best to keep posting to the list.
I know folks wanted to avoid levels of bureaucracy, but I prefer established process to endless cycles of review with no potential to conclude... Equally happy to entertain other proposals.
Jean-Jacques - you indicated you were consulting with colleagues, can you say when the group will provide an opinion? Open-ended timelines will not help us develop efficient process or workflows.
Best-
Joe
On 7/25/2014 7:17 AM, WUKnoben wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I acknowledge the different views on 1. discussing and solving more principle questions about role and number of (co-) chairs and 2. continuing the work of the ICG where the chair shall be given a focal role on taking initiatives and organization
Both seems equally necessary. In this regard I suggest to appoint Alissa as Interim Chair with chairperson authorization as described by Patrik until we've finished the principle questions and a following (co-) chair selection.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:32 AM To: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Dear Colleagues,
this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but also on other matters of importance.
In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some questions of principle have been adequately addressed.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström" <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment.
Best regards
Narelle Clark
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, I support.
On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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Dear Jean-Jacques, I hope my email was interpreted wrongly and that we can move forward slowly. I completely understand your concern, and I find it being important to look at our processes and roles from an optics perspective. Just the last couple of days discussions about members and liaisons and this about appointment of leadership (which probably should be done with some reflexion on geography, gender, what party the individual represent etc) demonstrate to me we need a leader, call it interim, that can move us forward. In London we agreed Alissa was that person for that meeting and I understand some people do think she still is. I did not think so or at least I wanted us to close that issue at least so that someone (Alissa) can be and act as chair until those issues are resolved. Which of course could imply appointing three or five people of equal rank as chair out of which one might be Alissa or not. Or not appoint anyone. Or accept Alissa is continuing while appointing two Assistants. What I asked for is consensus among us to have Alissa be the person that until we have a new leadership can and should act as our leader. Call it interim if you want. If no objection is rised before Monday 1800 I find her be in that role. With this clarification, I ask you whether you can accept her have that role, or if this notice from you is to be interpreted as an objection. Please clarify. Patrik
On 25 jul 2014, at 09:32, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs@dyalog.net> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but also on other matters of importance.
In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some questions of principle have been adequately addressed.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström" <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment.
Best regards
Narelle Clark
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, I support.
On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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On 25.07.14 14:47 , Patrik Fältström wrote:
... What I asked for is consensus among us to have Alissa be the person that until we have a new leadership can and should act as our leader. Call it interim if you want.
If no objection is rised before Monday 1800 I find her be in that role.
With this clarification, I ask you whether you can accept her have that role, or if this notice from you is to be interpreted as an objection.
I do no plan to object ;-). Daniel
Thank you Patrick, I support Alissa as Chair. - a (still not well connected). On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG. This does not imply anything regarding whether we should have one or more chairs, one chair and zero of more alternate chairs, status of the document by Joseph etc.
It just, if it passes, gives the power to Alissa to be able to define when we have consensus in ICG.
If someone OBJECTS to Alissa being appointed as a chair, that objection should be sent to this list no later than 1800 UTC on Monday July 28.
If there are zero objections on Monday July 28 at 1800 UTC I find Alissa Cooper be appointed as the chair of ICG.
Main reason for me to ask for this (which anyone can object to as you see above) is that I feel we need someone being "the chair" to even be able to reach consensus on the document that define what the role of the chair is.
So this call is to bootstrap our processes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patrik Fältström
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Patrik - Thanks for taking the initiative on this important issue. Colleagues: I'm in agreement with Joe's earlier mail that Alissa was selected as the interim Chair until we (the ICG) reached consensus on the leadership structure we're going to use. My understanding of this initiative is that, based on the ICG decision at our London meeting coupled with the strong, consistent support on our mail list discussions for Alissa being appointed 'a Chair' (perhaps, one of several), the initiative provides a process for how we can finalize the selection of Alissa as 'a Chair' of the ICG. I propose that we follow the process laid out by Patrik earlier today with one modification, i.e., Alissa will be selected as "a Chair" of the ICG (rather than "the chair"). If there are no objections to Alissa being appointed 'a Chair' posted to the list by 1800 UTC on Monday July 28, we will then have completed our first important consensus decision in our leadership selection efforts. I believe the form that Alissa posted this morning is a good approach for the next step in reaching consensus on our ICG leadership. Russ On Jul 25, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
I hereby take the initiative to ask for consensus for appointment of Alissa Cooper as the chair of ICG.
Thank you for your initiative...
I fully support Alissa as chair of the ICG.
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Narelle Clark -
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Russ Mundy -
Subrenat, Jean-Jacques -
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