FINAL CALL RE: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the meeting. - emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today. Edmon ============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================ Dear IP, After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered. In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved. As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items: 1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented? Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used. The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security. 2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs? We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs. The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance: Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid" Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid". We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD string. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions? Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering. We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter. Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
Hi Edmon, Document received. Thanks you for drafting the letter. It looks good for me. Yours Kenny Huang On 4 October 2016 at 15:39, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the meeting.
- emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered
Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today.
Edmon
============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance:
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD string. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering.
We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
Dear Edmon, Thank you for revised draft. I'm fine with this version. Regards, -- Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:09:35 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the meeting.
- emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered
Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today.
Edmon
============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance:
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD string. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering.
We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
_______________________________________________ japanesegp mailing list japanesegp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp
Looks good to me. Thanks, Edmon. Regards, Dongman 2016-10-04 오후 7:09에 Edmon Chung 이(가) 쓴 글:
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the meeting.
- emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered
Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today.
Edmon
============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance:
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD string. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering.
We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs. The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
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Dear Edmon Sorry I replied so late. The letter looks perfect to me. Thanks for your effort. -----邮件原件----- 发件人: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] 代 表 Edmon Chung 发送时间: 2016年10月4日 18:10 收件人: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> 主题: [ChineseGP] FINAL CALL RE: Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the meeting. - emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today. Edmon ============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================ Dear IP, After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered. In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved. As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items: 1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented? Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used. The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security. 2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs? We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs. The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance: Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid" Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid". We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD string. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions? Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering. We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter. Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
Dear Edmon, Thank you for your effort. Generally, I support it. My comments are : (1)
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP
(2) What does "within the next few years" imply? "Before next gTLD application round starts" or just "not so far future"? If "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, it should be expressed clearly. Hiro On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:09:35 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the meeting.
- emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered
Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today.
Edmon
============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance:
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD string. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering.
We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
_______________________________________________ japanesegp mailing list japanesegp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp
My apologies for dropping this. 1. Ok. 2. I think while "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, we should not be explicit because it may send a wrong message to the GNSO that this is a "prerequisite" for the next round (i.e. that it may hold up the next round), which I do not believe is what we want to say. If the above is acceptable, I will try to send the letter to IP before our meeting. Edmon
-----Original Message----- From: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2016 19:23 PM To: Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> Cc: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Japanesegp] FINAL CALL RE: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Dear Edmon,
Thank you for your effort.
Generally, I support it.
My comments are :
(1)
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN
potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP
(2) What does "within the next few years" imply? "Before next gTLD application round starts" or just "not so far future"? If "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, it should be expressed clearly.
Hiro
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:09:35 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the meeting.
- emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered
Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today.
Edmon
============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until
much
more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN
potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK
LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance:
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD
string.
However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering.
We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
_______________________________________________ japanesegp mailing list japanesegp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp
Dear Edmon, Thanks. I'm OK with the text. Now I believe we should invite IP to our tomorrow's meeting (2) Fri 4 Nov 13:45-15:00 Coordination Meeting for CJK GPs with IP - 1 (IDN) [C] @ MR1.10 Edmon, am I corrent? Hiro On Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:21:44 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
My apologies for dropping this.
1. Ok. 2. I think while "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, we should not be explicit because it may send a wrong message to the GNSO that this is a "prerequisite" for the next round (i.e. that it may hold up the next round), which I do not believe is what we want to say.
If the above is acceptable, I will try to send the letter to IP before our meeting.
Edmon
-----Original Message----- From: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2016 19:23 PM To: Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> Cc: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Japanesegp] FINAL CALL RE: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Dear Edmon,
Thank you for your effort.
Generally, I support it.
My comments are :
(1)
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN
potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP
(2) What does "within the next few years" imply? "Before next gTLD application round starts" or just "not so far future"? If "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, it should be expressed clearly.
Hiro
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:09:35 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the meeting.
- emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered
Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today.
Edmon
============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until
much
more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN
potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK
LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance:
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD
string.
However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering.
We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
_______________________________________________ japanesegp mailing list japanesegp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp
Yes, will send out the email to them now. And will meet you all at 11 first and then later with IP in the afternoon. Edmon
-----Original Message----- From: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:03 PM To: Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> Cc: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Japanesegp] FINAL CALL RE: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Dear Edmon,
Thanks.
I'm OK with the text.
Now I believe we should invite IP to our tomorrow's meeting (2) Fri 4 Nov 13:45-15:00 Coordination Meeting for CJK GPs with IP - 1 (IDN) [C] @ MR1.10
Edmon, am I corrent?
Hiro
On Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:21:44 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
My apologies for dropping this.
1. Ok. 2. I think while "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, we should not be explicit because it may send a wrong message to the GNSO that this is a "prerequisite" for the next round (i.e. that it may hold up the next round), which I do not believe is what we want to say.
If the above is acceptable, I will try to send the letter to IP before our meeting.
Edmon
-----Original Message----- From: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2016 19:23 PM To: Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> Cc: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Japanesegp] FINAL CALL RE: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Dear Edmon,
Thank you for your effort.
Generally, I support it.
My comments are :
(1)
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN
potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP
(2) What does "within the next few years" imply? "Before next gTLD application round starts" or just "not so far future"? If "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, it should be expressed clearly.
Hiro
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:09:35 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the
meeting.
- emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered
Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today.
Edmon
============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until
much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN
potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be
implemented.
Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance:
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD string. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering.
We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
_______________________________________________ ChineseGP mailing list ChineseGP@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/chinesegp
_______________________________________________ japanesegp mailing list japanesegp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/japanesegp
Thanks, Edmon. Dear Sarmad, Now, we've confirmed that IP's attendance is needed today.
(2) Fri 4 Nov 13:45-15:00 Coordination Meeting for CJK GPs with IP - 1 (IDN) [C] @ MR1.10
Hiro On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:07:42 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Yes, will send out the email to them now. And will meet you all at 11 first and then later with IP in the afternoon. Edmon
-----Original Message----- From: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:03 PM To: Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> Cc: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Japanesegp] FINAL CALL RE: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Dear Edmon,
Thanks.
I'm OK with the text.
Now I believe we should invite IP to our tomorrow's meeting (2) Fri 4 Nov 13:45-15:00 Coordination Meeting for CJK GPs with IP - 1 (IDN) [C] @ MR1.10
Edmon, am I corrent?
Hiro
On Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:21:44 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
My apologies for dropping this.
1. Ok. 2. I think while "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, we should not be explicit because it may send a wrong message to the GNSO that this is a "prerequisite" for the next round (i.e. that it may hold up the next round), which I do not believe is what we want to say.
If the above is acceptable, I will try to send the letter to IP before our meeting.
Edmon
-----Original Message----- From: hotta@jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta@jprs.co.jp] Sent: Saturday, 8 October 2016 19:23 PM To: Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> Cc: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Japanesegp] FINAL CALL RE: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Dear Edmon,
Thank you for your effort.
Generally, I support it.
My comments are :
(1)
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN
potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP
(2) What does "within the next few years" imply? "Before next gTLD application round starts" or just "not so far future"? If "before next gTLD application round starts" is intended, it should be expressed clearly.
Hiro
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:09:35 +0800 "Edmon Chung" <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:
Here is an updated draft incorporating the suggestions from the
meeting.
- emphasize this is one of 3 options we are looking into - de-emphasize actual number of IDN variant sets being considered
Please take a look and provide your comments. Barring significant edits, we will plan to send this to the IP 1 week from today.
Edmon
============================================ Subject: Seeking Advice from the IP on Opinion on Appropriateness for Considering Initial and Subsequent Versions of the CJK LGRs for certain CJK Han Characters ============================================
Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 50-60 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100-150 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until
much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN
potential^
Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be
implemented.
Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are looking at a few options to provisionally handle these unresolved IDN Variant sets. One of the options involve rescinding the characters of concern. While we consider the different options, we would like to seek the the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around unresolved characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around a number of IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such disallowance:
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign them with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete, i.e. explicitly indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for inclusion in a TLD string. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, which Method is more appropriate? And if there is a preference from the IP, what the rationale is? Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the unresolved IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken. Again, we emphasize that this is one of the few options we are considering.
We look forward to your advice and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
-----Original Message----- From: chinesegp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:chinesegp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 13:47 PM To: 'chinesegp@icann.org' <ChineseGP@icann.org>; JapaneseGP@icann.org; 'koreanGP@icann.org' <KoreanGP@icann.org> Subject: [ChineseGP] Draft letter to IP regarding ~40 unresolved variant sets
Hi Everyone, Please find below a draft of a letter to the IP regarding the method of handling the ~40 unresolved variant sets we discussed in Taipei. Edmon
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Dear IP,
After extensive deliberations, we are first of all happy to report that many of the identified differences between the CJK communities (in particular between Korean and Chinese definition of IDN Variant sets) for a majority of the Han character and IDN Variant sets have been resolved. We are positive that we can eventually resolve the issues for all characters. Nevertheless, at present, it appears that there may be around 40 IDN Variant sets (involving around 100 Han characters) that will remain unresolved (between CGP and KGP), until much more investigation can be considered.
In view of the many IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs already in the root without IDN Variants, and operational experience and understanding from the Chinese VIP Case Study Report that a significant percentage of queries do go to the IDN Variant domains, which means that the Chinese Domain Name experience for users around the world is currently disenfranchised further every day the CJK LGRs cannot be implemented. Therefore, we believe there is urgency to move forward with the CJK LGRs even if a small number of IDN Variant sets remain unresolved.
As such, we are seeking the IP's confirmation and advice on the following 2 interrelated but separate items:
1. Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of updating the CJK LGRs within the next few years after a first version is implemented?
Given the complex linguistic history and differing level of operational experience in Han character IDN registrations and usage, a small number of characters (and corresponding IDN Variant sets) will require much more extensive discussion internally and jointly before full consensus may be reached. There is now an interest between the CJK LGRs to set aside this small group of characters in order for a first version of the CJK LGRs to be implemented, enabling IDN Variants for the corresponding IDN gTLDs and ccTLDs to be used.
The CJK GPs nevertheless is concerned whether it is possible to submit a version of the CJK LGRs for consideration and thereupon immediately start work on the remaining characters, with an aim to update to a next version of the CJK LGRs within a few years (e.g. in 2 to 3 years' time). We are seeking the IP's confirmation and opinion on whether it is a reasonable expectation that such an approach would be appropriate given the context of the situation, understanding the overarching principles of stability and security.
2. If the around 40 groups of characters are to be first disallowed for application, how should it be implemented in the first version of the CJK LGRs?
We have identified around 40 IDN Variant sets in the Han character repertoire shared among CJK communities for which a divergence in the definition of IDN Variant relationship cannot be immediately resolved (especially between CGP and KGP). Therefore, the CJK GPs would like to provisionally disallow application of IDN TLD strings involving those characters for the first version of the CJK LGRs.
The CJK GPs have identified 2 potential approaches to effect such
Method A: to not include the Affected Characters in the repertoire of the CJK LGRs
Method B: to include the Affected Characters in the repertoire, but assign with type="invalid"
Advantage of Method A may be that the resulting CJK LGRs would be "cleaner", i.e. that no character is "invalid" for all 3 communities but yet included in the LGR. However, Method B has the advantage of being more complete explicitly and indicating to the public and to technical implementers that the CJK Han repertoire should really include those characters, and prompt interested implementers to find out more about the background for why they are assigned as "invalid".
We believe both methods should yield the same result technically, i.e. that the Affected Characters are not allowed for application in a TLD. However, we ask the opinion of the IP, of which Method is more appropriate, and if there is a preference from the IP perhaps what the rationale is for the preference. Further, we ask if the IP has other suggestions?
Finally, we also understand and are committed to document the rationale and specifics of the provisional withholding of the 40 IDN Variant sets (and corresponding Affected Characters) should the above action be taken.
We look forward to your consideration and feedback on the matter.
Sincerely,
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Dongman Lee -
Edmon Chung -
HiroHOTTA -
Kenny Huang, Ph.D. -
Yoshiro YONEYA -
王伟