Reporting - Root KSK Rollover
Hi all, If we notice any outages perhaps we should notify the outage mailing list @ outages@outages.org along with the resolution path. Good luck! Jacques
I was wondering about something similar… will there be any “real-time” chat places where people might gather before / during the KSK Rollover around 16:00 UTC? A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else? It might be an interesting way to have a group together in case anything happens. On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Jacques Latour <Jacques.Latour@cira.ca<mailto:Jacques.Latour@cira.ca>> wrote: Hi all, If we notice any outages perhaps we should notify the outage mailing list @ outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> along with the resolution path. Good luck! Jacques _______________________________________________ ksk-rollover mailing list ksk-rollover@icann.org<mailto:ksk-rollover@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ksk-rollover
IRC would be preferable, so people does'nt have to register on new services. / Jonathan On ons, 2018-10-10 at 19:05 +0000, Dan York wrote:
I was wondering about something similar… will there be any “real- time” chat places where people might gather before / during the KSK Rollover around 16:00 UTC?
A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else?
It might be an interesting way to have a group together in case anything happens.
On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Jacques Latour <Jacques.Latour@cira.ca
wrote:
Hi all,
If we notice any outages perhaps we should notify the outage mailing list @ outages@outages.org along with the resolution path.
Good luck!
Jacques
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twitter channel? #kskrollover ? Marc. On 10 Oct 2018, at 15:05, Dan York wrote:
I was wondering about something similar… will there be any “real-time” chat places where people might gather before / during the KSK Rollover around 16:00 UTC?
A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else?
It might be an interesting way to have a group together in case anything happens.
On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Jacques Latour <Jacques.Latour@cira.ca<mailto:Jacques.Latour@cira.ca>> wrote:
Hi all,
If we notice any outages perhaps we should notify the outage mailing list @ outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org> along with the resolution path.
Good luck!
Jacques
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Moin! On 10 Oct 2018, at 21:05, Dan York wrote:
I was wondering about something similar… will there be any “real-time” chat places where people might gather before / during the KSK Rollover around 16:00 UTC?
A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else? Why not reuse dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net? Just logged in there ;-)
So long -Ralf —-- Ralf Weber Principal Architect, Carrier Division Akamai Technologies GmbH Parkring 20-22, 85748 Garching phone: +49.89.9400.6174 mobile: +49.151.22659325 Geschäftsführer: David Matthew McDonald Aitken, Justyna Kalina Jankowska Sitz der Gesellschaft: Garching Amtsgericht München HRB 129886
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:25 PM Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de> wrote:
Moin!
On 10 Oct 2018, at 21:05, Dan York wrote:
I was wondering about something similar… will there be any “real-time” chat places where people might gather before / during the KSK Rollover around 16:00 UTC?
A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else? Why not reuse dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net? Just logged in there ;-)
This (or Slack) both sound like a great option. W
So long -Ralf —-- Ralf Weber Principal Architect, Carrier Division
Akamai Technologies GmbH Parkring 20-22, 85748 Garching phone: +49.89.9400.6174 mobile: +49.151.22659325
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-- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
20 years ago I would have suggested an IRC channel. Today, Slack seems the current best option. This mailing list I think will also be useful. On 10 Oct 2018, at 16:38, Warren Kumari wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:25 PM Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de> wrote:
Moin!
On 10 Oct 2018, at 21:05, Dan York wrote:
I was wondering about something similar… will there be any “real-time” chat places where people might gather before / during the KSK Rollover around 16:00 UTC?
A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else? Why not reuse dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net? Just logged in there ;-)
This (or Slack) both sound like a great option.
W
So long -Ralf —-- Ralf Weber Principal Architect, Carrier Division
Akamai Technologies GmbH Parkring 20-22, 85748 Garching phone: +49.89.9400.6174 mobile: +49.151.22659325
Geschäftsführer: David Matthew McDonald Aitken, Justyna Kalina Jankowska Sitz der Gesellschaft: Garching Amtsgericht München HRB 129886
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-- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
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On Oct 10, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net<mailto:warren@kumari.net>> wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:25 PM Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de<mailto:dns@fl1ger.de>> wrote:
A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else? Why not reuse dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net<mailto:dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net>? Just logged in there ;-)
This (or Slack) both sound like a great option. And so we confront the terrible state of real-time messaging best captured by this XKCD comic: https://xkcd.com/1810/ I don’t have access to that dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net<mailto:dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net> address - is that a Jabber group chat? So it sounds like the mythical “someone” needs to do one of these: 1. Create (or re-use) a Jabber group chat on some jabber server, allow public access, and share it with us all so we can pull out our jabber clients and connect to it 2. Create (or re-use) an IRC channel on some IRC server … and many of us will need to find or install an IRC client and remember how it all worked 3. Create (or re-use) a Slack channel in their Slack team - and then *set up guest accounts for anyone interested* (after first letting people know so that they can email the person indicating they want to be part of that Slack channel / team) Or… create a WhatsApp group and ask everyone to send their phone numbers… or use some WebRTC tool… or… or… 4. We all just give up on real-time messaging and watch the #KeyRoll hashtag on Twitter :-( Anyone able to do 1, 2 or 3? (or maybe 1 or 3?) Dan -- Dan York Director, Content & Web Strategy, Internet Society york@isoc.org<mailto:york@isoc.org> +1-802-735-1624 Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org<mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org> Skype: danyork http://twitter.com/danyork http://www.internetsociety.org/
On 10/10/2018 04:50 PM, Dan York wrote:
And so we confront the terrible state of real-time messaging best captured by this XKCD comic: https://xkcd.com/1810/
I don’t have access to that dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net <mailto:dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net> address - is that a Jabber group chat?
Yes, its on the OARC jabber server, no problem in principle with this chat room being open to all, we need however to tweak some ACLs.
1. Create (or re-use) a Jabber group chat on some jabber server, allow public access, and share it with us all so we can pull out our jabber clients and connect to it
Anyone able to do 1, 2 or 3? (or maybe 1 or 3?)
Working on 1... Keith
On 10/10/2018 05:04 PM, Keith Mitchell wrote:
On 10/10/2018 04:50 PM, Dan York wrote:
I don’t have access to that dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net <mailto:dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net> address - is that a Jabber group chat?
Yes, its on the OARC jabber server, no problem in principle with this chat room being open to all, we need however to tweak some ACLs.
We believe we've now done this, it should be possible for people with non-OARC jabber accounts to join the "dns-operations" room on the OARC conference.dns-oarc.net jabber server. We'll keep this open until at least the end of OARC29 on Sunday 14th for your KSK rollover realtime edification. Please email <admin@dns-oarc.net> if think you should be able to access this and are unable to. Keith
On Thu 2018-10-11 07:25:52-0400 Keith wrote:
We believe we've now done this, it should be possible for people with non-OARC jabber accounts to join the "dns-operations" room on the OARC conference.dns-oarc.net jabber server. We'll keep this open until at least the end of OARC29 on Sunday 14th for your KSK rollover realtime edification.
Works for me.. thanks for opening it up to everyone for this event! -- Robert Story <http://www.isi.edu/~rstory> USC Information Sciences Institute <http://www.isi.edu/>
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 08:50:47PM +0000, Dan York wrote:
And so we confront the terrible state of real-time messaging best captured by this XKCD comic: https://xkcd.com/1810/
I know it's going to go fine and everything, but I can't help finding it amusing that every single suggestion for keeping in touch in case the internet breaks has been an internet service. Shouldn't we be using tin cans and string? :) -- Evan Hunt -- each@isc.org Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.
each> I know it's going to go fine and everything, but I can't help each> finding it amusing that every single suggestion for keeping in each> touch in case the internet breaks has been an internet each> service. Shouldn't we be using tin cans and string? :) Since ICANN is a CA corp, I believe that smoke signals are legal. :)
Iridium phones, like we did for Y2K Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 10, 2018, at 7:07 PM, Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 08:50:47PM +0000, Dan York wrote: And so we confront the terrible state of real-time messaging best captured by this XKCD comic: https://xkcd.com/1810/
I know it's going to go fine and everything, but I can't help finding it amusing that every single suggestion for keeping in touch in case the internet breaks has been an internet service. Shouldn't we be using tin cans and string? :)
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On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:07:32PM +0000, Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> wrote a message of 16 lines which said:
I know it's going to go fine and everything, but I can't help finding it amusing that every single suggestion for keeping in touch in case the internet breaks has been an internet service. Shouldn't we be using tin cans and string? :)
But, in the worst case, we won't break the Internet, only the DNS. IRC using persistent TCP sessions, it needs the DNS only at connect time. Just connect now and you'll be fine during the rollover :-)
It is easy to setup a non-validating resolver at hand.
-----邮件原件----- 发件人: ksk-rollover [mailto:ksk-rollover-bounces@icann.org] 代表 Evan Hunt 发送时间: 2018年10月11日 6:08 收件人: Dan York 抄送: ksk-rollover@icann.org; Ralf Weber 主题: Re: [ksk-rollover] Chat session during KSK Rollover? Re: Reporting - Root KSK Rollover
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 08:50:47PM +0000, Dan York wrote:
And so we confront the terrible state of real-time messaging best captured by this XKCD comic: https://xkcd.com/1810/
I know it's going to go fine and everything, but I can't help finding it amusing that every single suggestion for keeping in touch in case the internet breaks has been an internet service. Shouldn't we be using tin cans and string? :)
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Ralf Weber (dns) writes:
Moin!
On 10 Oct 2018, at 21:05, Dan York wrote:
I was wondering about something similar… will there be any “real-time” chat places where people might gather before / during the KSK Rollover around 16:00 UTC?
A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else? Why not reuse dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net? Just logged in there ;-)
Would be great, but not everyone is an OARC member :-/ Slack (ugh) would work, I guess - did anyone set up a channel somewhere ? Cheers, Phil
On 10/10/2018 03:25 PM, Ralf Weber wrote:
On 10 Oct 2018, at 21:05, Dan York wrote:
I was wondering about something similar… will there be any “real-time” chat places where people might gather before / during the KSK Rollover around 16:00 UTC?
A jabber chat room? Slack channel? Zoom call? Something else? Why not reuse dns-operations@conference.dns-oarc.net?
OARC will be watching the rollover closely while we're doing DITL data gathering for an 82-hour window (already started), so happy to support this, that room is open. Also, if you are operationally involved in the rollover and arrived in Amsterdam early to combine that and OARC29/RIPE77, we have some meeting room space available for those actively participating, please let <admin@dns-oarc.net> know if this is something you could usefully avail yourself of. Keith
On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Jacques Latour <Jacques.Latour@cira.ca> wrote:
If we notice any outages perhaps we should notify the outage mailing list @ outages@outages.org along with the resolution path.
How does one subscribe to that list? I get a timeout when trying to access either http://outages.org/ or http://www.outages.org/ . This is the first I've heard of this site. --Paul Hoffman
outages.org is down ? Regards, Naveen On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:43 AM Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote:
On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Jacques Latour <Jacques.Latour@cira.ca> wrote:
If we notice any outages perhaps we should notify the outage mailing
list @ outages@outages.org along with the resolution path.
How does one subscribe to that list? I get a timeout when trying to access either http://outages.org/ or http://www.outages.org/ . This is the first I've heard of this site.
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On 2018-10-10 1:13 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:59 AM, Jacques Latour <Jacques.Latour@cira.ca> wrote:
If we notice any outages perhaps we should notify the outage mailing list @ outages@outages.org along with the resolution path.
How does one subscribe to that list? I get a timeout when trying to access either http://outages.org/ or http://www.outages.org/ . This is the first I've heard of this site.
https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion
--Paul Hoffman
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Carlos M. Martinez -
Carlos Marcelo Martinez Cagnazzo
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Dan York -
Davey Song(宋林健) -
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Evan Hunt -
Jacques Latour -
Jonathan Sélea -
Keith Mitchell -
Marc Blanchet -
Paul Ebersman -
Paul Hoffman -
Phil Regnauld -
Ralf Weber -
Robert Story -
Stephane Bortzmeyer -
Warren Kumari