Mr. Samuels,
To further clarify our position, we want to explain the
nature of what
is a point of order.
The UNGA Rules of Procedure, in particular, Article 79 of Annex
IV (a) of the
Rules of the General Assembly, gives a concept of what a point
of order:
79. The Special Committee recommends to the
General Assembly the
adoption of the following text as a description of the concept of a point of order [para. 229]:
"(a)
A point
of order is basically an intervention directed to the
presiding officer,
requesting him to make use of some power inherent in his
office or specifically
given him under the rules of
procedure. It may, for example, relate to the
manner in which the
debate is conducted, to the maintenance of order, to the
observance of the
rules of procedure or to the way in which presiding officers
exercise the
powers conferred upon them by the rules. Under a point
of order, a
representative may request the presiding officer to apply a certain rule
of procedure or he may question the way in which the officer applies
the rule. Thus, within
the scope of the rules of
procedure, representatives are enabled
to direct the attention of the presiding officer to violations
or
misapplications of the rules by other representatives or by the
presiding
officer himself. A point of
order has precedence
over any other matter, including procedural motions (rules 73
[114] [Rule 71
[113] of the present rules of procedure] and 79 [120] [Rule 77
[119] of the
present rules of procedure]).
"(b) Points of order raised under rule
73 [114]n involve questions necessitating a ruling by the
presiding officer,
subject to possible appeal. They are therefore distinct from
the procedural
motions provided for in rules 76
[117] [Rule 74 [116] of the present rules of procedure] to 79
[120]o which can
be decided only by a vote and on which more than one motion
may be entertained
at the same time, rule 79 [120]o laying down the precedence of
such motions.
They
are also distinct from requests for information or
clarification, or from
remarks relating to material arrangements (seating,
interpretation system,
temperature of the room), documents, translations, etc.,
which - while they may
have to be dealt with by the presiding officer - do not
require rulings from
him. However, in established United Nations
practice, a representative
intending to submit a procedural motion or to seek
information or clarification
often rises to 'a
point of order' as a
means of obtaining the floor. The latter usage, which is
based on practical
grounds, should not be confused with the raising of points
of order under rule
73 [114].
If your request is reviewed, it can be observed
that the request it is not
directed to the President ‘requesting
him
to make use of some power inherent in his office or
specifically given him under
the rules of procedure', but you requests ‘That the general assembly demonstrate its lack of
confidence in the
LACRALO leadership and vote on this motion’.
In simple terms,
what you say is a point of order, it's really not. It is
therefore not possible
to give such treatment.
Humberto:With the greatest of patience, you are wrong. Again.
You are advised to read motion again then consult the Rule of Procedure closely. Rule 18 contains the authority and guidance for action.
The motion was timed for a General Assembly. The question pertaining the vote and distribution of credentials to members made it so.
The vote IS the question for decision.
All the reasons for the motion are concatenated; an illegal assembly, a failure of process etc. The vote IS the question under discussion.
If you don't understand the reason for not invoking Rule 8, I can explain it to you.
I drafted the original Rules of Procedure and remain the competent authority.
-Carlton Samuels
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Mobile: 876-818-1799
Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jacqueline,
By this email we respond to your request.
Overall, we estimate that we cannot suspend the election for the following reasons:
1. The voting process began on Thursday, September 3, 2015, and runs until Thursday, September 10, 2015 until 23:00 hours.
2. The motion of Mr. Samuels was presented on Friday, September 4, 2015.
In his email, Mr. Samuels raised a Point of Order and offered a motion of NO CONFIDENCE in the LACRALO leadership.
He pointed out some arguments to justify his action and then he ended with:
"Resolved:
That the general assembly demonstrate its lack of confidence in the LACRALO leadership and vote on this motion."
Thus, this paragraph says nothing about any suspension.
3. On 5 September, we informed to Mr Samuels that we requested an official translation to Spanish of his motion to be sent to the LACRALO's Spanish list.
4. Subsequently, the 7th of September 2015 Alberto Soto informed that he had asked for legal advice from ICANN’s legal staff regarding this motion of censure.
5. The RoP in Articles 8.1 and 8.2 states the following:
8.1 During a discussion, any delegate may raise a point of order; such a point of order shall be immediately decided upon by the presiding officer.
8.2 An appeal may be made against the ruling of the presiding officer. Such an appeal shall be put to the vote immediately and the presiding officer's ruling shall stand, unless overruled by a simple majority of the ALS present and voting.
These rules are silent regarding any suspension. Neither there has been any appeal. In any case, an appeal did not suspend the current vote.
6. There are articles relating to the suspension in Rule 9 that provides:
Rule 9 - Procedural Motions
9.1 During a discussion, any delegate may move the suspension or adjournment of the meeting or the adjournment or closure of the debate.
9.2 Such a motion shall be put to the vote immediately. Subject to Rule 8.1, such motions shall have precedence in the following order over all other proposals or motions before the meeting:
(a) Suspension of the meeting;
(b) Adjournment of the meeting;
(c) Adjournment of the debate on the question under discussion;
(d) Closure of the debate on the question under discussion.
7. - Finally, with regard to the arguments and accusations of Mr. Samuels, they will be answered once the official translation into Spanish is sent to the LACRALO's Spanish list.
Regards.Alberto Soto
Humberto Carrasco
El 09/09/2015 a las 15:39, Jacqueline Morris escribió:
Hi HumbertoI'm confused - there was a motion on the table from Carlton - the motion of No Confidence. According to the RoP, this motion needs to be debated and voted BEFORE the vote on ALAC rep can continue (it takes precedence). This hasn't been done, so how can the vote on ALAC rep be ending tomorrow?Or was there a vote on the motion and I missed it?
I am particularly concerned given the number of procedural mistakes that seem to have occurred recently. We don't want more issues with this vote.
Jacqueline A. MorrisTechnology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
2015-09-09 9:18 GMT-04:00 <hcarrascob@gmail.com>:
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Subject: Re: VOTE NOTICE: 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE LACRALO ALAC / 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LACRALO ALAC
From: hcarrascob@gmail.com
Dear,
Do not forget that within Voting ends tomorrow Thursday 10
September 2015 at 23:00 UTC.
Cheers
The 04/09/2015 at 0:00, staff@atlarge.icann.org wrote:
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>
> Asunto: VOTO ANUNCIO: 2015 VOTO PARA LACRALO ALAC REPRESENTANTE / 2015 VOTO PARA REPRESENTANTE DE LACRALO ANTE EL ALAC
> De: staff@atlarge.icann.org
>
> [ES]
> Queridos todos,
>
>
> LACRALOs Presidencia y Secretaría gustaría anunciar el inicio de la votación
> al Representante LACRALO ALAC para el período de dos años a partir de las
> Al final de la reunión de Dublín ICANN en octubre de 2015. Esta encuesta estará abierta
> desde jueves 03 septiembre 2015 hasta Jueves 10 de septiembre 2015 a las 23:00 UTC.
>
>
> ***
> PREGUNTA: ¿A quién apoyas a convertirse en el ALAC Representante LACRALO para
> el período de dos años a partir de finales de la reunión de la ICANN en Dublín
> 10 2015? Por favor, seleccionar un candidato de la lista de abajo (que se enumeran
> por orden alfabético del nombre de la familia) o abstenerse:
> * Harold Arcos
> * Juan Manuel Rojas
> * Abstenerse
> ***
> Información adicional se puede encontrar en la página de elecciones Wiki:
> https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw.
>
>
> ==
>
>
> [ES]
> Hola a todos,
>
>
> El Presidente y secretario de LACRALOs quisieran anunciar el inicio del
> por voto párrafo Elegir al Representante de LACRALO ante el ALAC Representante
> EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Empezando al final de de la reunin de Dubln en Octubre
> del 2015. La votacin estarabierta desde el Lunes 03 de Setiembre 2015 al
> Viernes 10 de Setiembre 2015 a las 23:00 UTC.
>
>
> ***
> PREGUNTA: A quien Elige Usted Para Ser Representante del LACRALO ante el
> ALAC POR EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Comenzando en la reunión de la ICANN en Octubre
> del 2015? Por favor ELIJA UN Candidato de la Lista Abajo (en Orden
> alfabtico) o abstngase:
> * Harold Arcos
> * Juan Manuel Rojas
> * Abstencin
> ***
> Informacin Adicional Se Puede Encontrar En La pgina WIKI:
> https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw.
>
>
> Saludos,
>
>
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> Peregrine y Terri Agnew
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