[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Nominaci = F3n_LACRALO_renuncia_com? == Iso-8859-1? Q? O_representante_toALAC? = From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Roosevelt, never in my life, I had two positions. Quizs in Translation is very bad. Regards Alberto Soto ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of rok@bango.org.bb Posted on: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:45 pm To lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: LACRALO nominacin toALAC resignation as representative [[- Translated text (in -> s) -]] Subject: Re: LACRALO nominacin toALAC resignation as representative From: rok@bango.org.bb Alberto, Ests dnde Exactly? You estde accordance with the two positions which seems. If I'm reading correctly Fátima is clear that nominacin of Humberto estdentro rules.In addition, if I'm reading correctly, esttratando LACRALO estdiciendo that the majority of use of break rules. A member of this list recordhoy me that it was the same thing some tried to do in the General Assembly in Costa Rica, the use of majority of age to break the rules and have the elections in the General Assembly. This was basically defeated by the Caribbean members, although one minora. These two scenarios establishes a pattern of behavior. I I personally find it disturbing that this behavior is prevail within LACRALO allows for one vote point object circumventing the rules establecidas.Por course, if this vote denies nominacin Humberto, the rules They will have to be re-written to reflect the decisiny with all my might I insist that the rules are amended. No doubt that LACRALO or any RALO can make their rules more ICANN strict rules.If we do not want to ningn representative be outside the region for any length of time, then you can say this and say that too. If Humberto spends 4 months a year in Chile to complete their studies, I'm not sure which is equal to residence outside the region. Asque there is nothing wrong with a vote for change. Without But this effectively change the rules and more than that, change the intent of the rules on this to the point that anyone who have to travel outside the region often or spend months at a time out of the region, can be challenged as a candidate. This is the reaction that will be felt. Trying to change the rule causes the rule fairly reasonable and I dare say, unwanted and engorroso.Me wish to qualify his speech of unjustified attacks and if you mean me, I would like note that in my emails to see unwarranted attacks ... but this mode of trying to sully characters to an illegal act can prevail is to place. Personally, I have said that the President is not only responsible for paper. I said that in Costa Rica and I'll say again, if you check the votes will receive the watch that I abstained because, for me, already had demonstrated their incompetence in Costa Rica. I have no excuses for say. It may be relevant in other areas, but not when it comes to interpret and apply the rules. If the President can not get a meeting agenda beyond 4 hours after which type of chair is that? I guess I'm being disrespectful, but if telling the truth is disrespectful, then always be disrespectful. I by therefore plead guilty with an explanation that the tests carry out what I've been saying is fair comment and I can lead to cross that post ... but do not expect me to be silent and not expect that I will not express its indignation at these attempts to circumvent the rules. South Korea ----- Original Message ----- From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Posted on: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 23:39 A: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Waiver LACRALO nomination representative toALAC [[- Text translation (en -> en) -]] Subject: Re: LACRALO nomination resignation as representative of ALAC From: asoto@ibero-americano.org My first comment to Fátima: decisiny really surprises me is the I deeply regret, because mritos DEV and theirs, tendramos Eleccin Reida and excellent one. I think it's remarkable the first major loss The electoral act. I know and understand, ysque is unwavering. For the rest of the list and the recipients: the loss previously mentioned, we must add another loss, as serious as the first, which says Fátima and the issue of his resignation: "violating the specifically requests one of our rules of LACRALO. ' You have unread consequences revision of standards, because of their Reviews read the post, and therefore not reviewed at only basndose Direct attacks or irnicas. And I would add something I think anyone commenting and ms the list already: not discuss whether or residence jurdicamente address the requirements of Article 8 is quite logical: the esttodos a place where the DAS, and if not in the region, not Tendrel close and direct contact with users of the Internet, other things, and not necessary required for recycling existirel adequately fulfill the role. I urge you to reflect on what has been done. Regards Alberto Soto ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] In the name of Fatima Cambronero Posted on: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:16 a.m. A: LACRALO Espaol; Olivier Crpin-Leblond, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, At-Large Personal, Rodrigo de la Parra Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Waiver candidacy as representative LACRALO to ALAC Dear members of LACRALO, I am contacting you in view of recent events occurred in our RALO to inform my decision. As delegates SABRN ALS have received their credentials for vote and make a decision as a region. We must decide whether the cuestin candidate meets the requirements of Rule 8 of our Operating principles, specifically requires the residence main in one of the countries of the region. According view favored the list sent by discusin As President and Legal LACRALO the arguments of many presented in this post, in our Principles basndonos operation LACRALO in the ICANN Bylaws, the laws of the State of California (and reinforced with additional shari'ah), my opinion is that the Rules are clear in terms of both required residence of countries of the region, and also with the media quse residence concept, a concept separate and distinct from the concept of direction. I am convinced that the rules estn achieve. And MSAN when, with jurdicos the number of arguments, the rules are clear. Vote in this case implies that if we all agree (or most) we will decide what specifically requests violate one of our rules LACRALO. Taking the analysis work and respect our rules and present presentnuestro arguments LACRALO President, is a very few were taken and many of the answers to that e electronic full of disrespect and unsubstantiated opinions without jurdicos arguments, which is what should be discussed in this case. I would fully understand this: I will always defend the right to region to govern and decide how the problems that affect us as such. I have worked and will continue to reach a consensus in our region, since it is not possible to decide for most of us.That s, while respecting the principles of operation, our Memorandum of Understanding ICANN and the ICANN Bylaws. In the situation we are living in LACRALO, this is not the case. Let's vote to decide to break the rules. As you all know my background is a lawyer, and I made a promise: respect and enforce the laws (rules, rules, regulations). Therefore, to remain part of the election process, going against my profession, my oath and my principles, is to go against my essence. As I have indicated those who were part of the redaccin our operating principles, the residency requirement (for eg Nationality of representatives) is demanding our Principles Operation RALO to avoid capture by a organizacino by a group of organizations. Unfortunately, it has been. A estcapturado RALO not work in a healthy harmony, is a RALO where delegates from organizations offering work groups, after his lecture and participate in decisions Working Group, is a General Assembly RALO where official promised to deliver his report to the AG, then delivered without must be requested by anyone, is a RALO where official respect the duties and functions assigned consultndolo Officials of the other above is a RALO where our representatives discussed policies, we as members are delivering, after treated as a region. It is unfortunate that in our RALO, when you can not destroy positions with arguments, are destroyed by the force of the faults of respect private pressures unsubstantiated opinions. Gentlemen, donkey work or get results. We are like a bucket full of crabs for wanting to stick his head up ms, is head trample each other and, finally, no one leaves the cell. This is not the LACRALO that imagin. For the reasons stated, mainly due to estn this case violated express and clear rules that require our LACRALO Operating Principles, * I decided to quit my candidacy as representative LACRALO to ALAC. * Also take the opportunity to inform and notify my the silence and lack of activity in the next few das because I will be quirrgica intervencin order to stay off. Best regards, Fatima Cambronero - * Fatima Cambronero * Fiscal Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @ facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero * Join the discussions LACRALO / ICANN: * https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es * Join the discussions of Diplo Internet Governance Community: * http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/ * Join the Internet Society (ISOC): * http://www.internetsociety.org/ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/0718e6975e.html --]]