Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Votaci=F3n_Secretario_de_LACRALO =
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Votaci=F3n_Secretario_de_LACRALO = From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com It seems unusual to me that it must follow a voting with a single one candidate. He is totally ridiculous and this discredits to our institution. I understand that it is not possible to be sanctioned to Antonio to retire once begun the voting process since the possible sanction was not established in it forms previous, but I believe that of this experience one isdue to learn and to take corrective necessary so that this situation does not become to present/display. We must incorporate an exemplary sanction in our statutes. The possible sanction could not be but that moral. In addition to the time of the members of the LACRALO to have to avoidvotes in a selection of a single candidate, has been incurred expenses when organizing voting process that ends up being unnecessary. JOS Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Andrés Piazza Sent: Wednesday, 06 of April of 2011 04:16 p.m. It stops: Spanish LACRALO Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Secretary of LACRALO (English Official Version in a separated email) Dear Miembros of LACRALO As I communicated to them in the Teleconferencing of the Day of Yesterday, the process of voting online to choose the Secretary of LACRALO began the dayMonday 28 of March of 2011 with 2 candidates: * The acual secretary, Dev Anand Teelucksingh de Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society (TTCS) * Antonio Medina Gomez of Colombian Association of Users of Internet (ACUI)i Day 23 of March of 2011, Antonio Medina Gomez accepted its nomination - autonominación- and day 31 of March notified the retirementof its candidacy for Secretary of LACRALO, leaving only a candidate for the position of Secretary of LACRALO. Since the vote already had begun, an overhaul of documents of LACRALO organization was made to determine the most appropriate form of to continue with the following steps: (https://community.icann.org/x/Oo0i) In the interest to maintain the integrity of this election process, selection of the Secretary will continue. Since there is sólamente a candidate, the voters can choose between that only candidate: - Dev Anand Teelucksingh from Trinidad de Tobago Computer Society (TTCS) Or by the abstention. Ever since LACRALO is taking ahead a General Assembly Virtual stops this selection (meaning that all 3ÃLSs in LACRALO is present and voting), by Rule 12,2 and 19 of the Rules of Procedure of LACRALO, at least 19 ALSes MUST vote by the only candidate so that results can be mentioned (ALSs that vote by abstention will be considered for this respect as if they had not voted). Since there were deliberations to make this decision, the date limit of selection for the Secretary of LACRALO has been extended to Tuesday 12 of April 2011 to the 23:59 emitted UTC and the 7 votes they will be erased until moment, being sent again the credentials to the delegates of each ALS so that they emit his vote again. Warm Greetings, Andrés Piazza President of LACRALO -- * Andrés Piazza * www.andrespiazza.com _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/dbfab2076f.html --]]
I have kept silent on this whole issue because Dev and I are from the same ALS, but I agree with Jose. In my personal opinion, if we accept Antonio's withdrawal of candidacy then it is automatic that since there is only one candidate left, he will be the automatic winner. I understand that it is difficult to find precedents to treat with this situation. But in my mind there is no common sense in having a vote with only one candidate AND extending that vote! Basically, there is no point to vote... UNLESS there has been a call from LACRALO to question Dev's candidacy... otherwise we have a clear single candidate to fill the position. Regards Cintra On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Votaci=F3n_Secretario_de_LACRALO = From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
It seems unusual to me that it must follow a voting with a single one candidate. He is totally ridiculous and this discredits to our institution.
I understand that it is not possible to be sanctioned to Antonio to retire once begun the voting process since the possible sanction was not established in it forms previous, but I believe that of this experience one isdue to learn and to take corrective necessary so that this situation does not become to present/display. We must incorporate an exemplary sanction in our statutes.
The possible sanction could not be but that moral.
In addition to the time of the members of the LACRALO to have to avoidvotes in a selection of a single candidate, has been incurred expenses when organizing voting process that ends up being unnecessary.
JOS
Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Andrés Piazza Sent: Wednesday, 06 of April of 2011 04:16 p.m. It stops: Spanish LACRALO Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Secretary of LACRALO
(English Official Version in a separated email)
Dear Miembros of LACRALO
As I communicated to them in the Teleconferencing of the Day of Yesterday, the process of voting online to choose the Secretary of LACRALO began the dayMonday 28 of March of 2011 with 2 candidates:
* The acual secretary, Dev Anand Teelucksingh de Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society (TTCS) * Antonio Medina Gomez of Colombian Association of Users of Internet (ACUI)i
Day 23 of March of 2011, Antonio Medina Gomez accepted its nomination - autonominación- and day 31 of March notified the retirementof its candidacy for Secretary of LACRALO, leaving only a candidate for the position of Secretary of LACRALO.
Since the vote already had begun, an overhaul of documents of LACRALO organization was made to determine the most appropriate form of to continue with the following steps: (https://community.icann.org/x/Oo0i)
In the interest to maintain the integrity of this election process, selection of the Secretary will continue.
Since there is sólamente a candidate, the voters can choose between that only candidate:
- Dev Anand Teelucksingh from Trinidad de Tobago Computer Society (TTCS)
Or by the abstention.
Ever since LACRALO is taking ahead a General Assembly Virtual stops this selection (meaning that all 3ÃLSs in LACRALO is present and voting), by Rule 12,2 and 19 of the Rules of Procedure of LACRALO, at least 19 ALSes MUST vote by the only candidate so that results can be mentioned (ALSs that vote by abstention will be considered for this respect as if they had not voted).
Since there were deliberations to make this decision, the date limit of selection for the Secretary of LACRALO has been extended to Tuesday 12 of April 2011 to the 23:59 emitted UTC and the 7 votes they will be erased until moment, being sent again the credentials to the delegates of each ALS so that they emit his vote again.
Warm Greetings,
Andrés Piazza President of LACRALO
-- * Andrés Piazza * www.andrespiazza.com _______________________________________________
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Dear All: My feelings are in the same sense than Jose and Cintra ones. It`s incredible that we must vote in favor or abstention when we have only ONE candidate !!! On the Other hand we have not the possibility to give sanction to the procedure made by Antonio, but we need to avoid unnecessary expenses in all of this. We have no unlimited budget to spend. Also, I think that if we will be imposed a sanction for the future for someone who take the same ununderstandable & ridiculous (in principle till he decide explain why) desitions than Antonio, must be economically, and equal than amount $ of the budget wasted by his desition and eliminate the possibility to be elected for any charge at least for two years. My two cents. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:41:49 -0400 From: cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Votaci=F3n_Secretario_de_LACRALO =
I have kept silent on this whole issue because Dev and I are from the same ALS, but I agree with Jose.
In my personal opinion, if we accept Antonio's withdrawal of candidacy then it is automatic that since there is only one candidate left, he will be the automatic winner.
I understand that it is difficult to find precedents to treat with this situation. But in my mind there is no common sense in having a vote with only one candidate AND extending that vote!
Basically, there is no point to vote... UNLESS there has been a call from LACRALO to question Dev's candidacy... otherwise we have a clear single candidate to fill the position.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Votaci=F3n_Secretario_de_LACRALO = From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
It seems unusual to me that it must follow a voting with a single one candidate. He is totally ridiculous and this discredits to our institution.
I understand that it is not possible to be sanctioned to Antonio to retire once begun the voting process since the possible sanction was not established in it forms previous, but I believe that of this experience one isdue to learn and to take corrective necessary so that this situation does not become to present/display. We must incorporate an exemplary sanction in our statutes.
The possible sanction could not be but that moral.
In addition to the time of the members of the LACRALO to have to avoidvotes in a selection of a single candidate, has been incurred expenses when organizing voting process that ends up being unnecessary.
JOS
Original -----Mensaje Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Andrés Piazza Sent: Wednesday, 06 of April of 2011 04:16 p.m. It stops: Spanish LACRALO Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Voting Secretary of LACRALO
(English Official Version in a separated email)
Dear Miembros of LACRALO
As I communicated to them in the Teleconferencing of the Day of Yesterday, the process of voting online to choose the Secretary of LACRALO began the dayMonday 28 of March of 2011 with 2 candidates:
* The acual secretary, Dev Anand Teelucksingh de Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society (TTCS) * Antonio Medina Gomez of Colombian Association of Users of Internet (ACUI)i
Day 23 of March of 2011, Antonio Medina Gomez accepted its nomination - autonominación- and day 31 of March notified the retirementof its candidacy for Secretary of LACRALO, leaving only a candidate for the position of Secretary of LACRALO.
Since the vote already had begun, an overhaul of documents of LACRALO organization was made to determine the most appropriate form of to continue with the following steps: (https://community.icann.org/x/Oo0i)
In the interest to maintain the integrity of this election process, selection of the Secretary will continue.
Since there is sólamente a candidate, the voters can choose between that only candidate:
- Dev Anand Teelucksingh from Trinidad de Tobago Computer Society (TTCS)
Or by the abstention.
Ever since LACRALO is taking ahead a General Assembly Virtual stops this selection (meaning that all 3ÃLSs in LACRALO is present and voting), by Rule 12,2 and 19 of the Rules of Procedure of LACRALO, at least 19 ALSes MUST vote by the only candidate so that results can be mentioned (ALSs that vote by abstention will be considered for this respect as if they had not voted).
Since there were deliberations to make this decision, the date limit of selection for the Secretary of LACRALO has been extended to Tuesday 12 of April 2011 to the 23:59 emitted UTC and the 7 votes they will be erased until moment, being sent again the credentials to the delegates of each ALS so that they emit his vote again.
Warm Greetings,
Andrés Piazza President of LACRALO
-- * Andrés Piazza * www.andrespiazza.com _______________________________________________
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