Re: [lac-discuss-en] Waiver LACRALO nomination as representative to ALAC
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Waiver LACRALO nomination as representative to ALAC From: asoto@ibero-americano.org My first comment to Fátima: decisiny really surprises me is the I deeply regret, because by and DEV mritos of yours, tendramos Reida and excellent eleccin one. I think it's the first major noticeable loss This election act. I know and understand, ysque is unwavering. For the rest of the list and the recipients: the loss previously mentioned, we must add another loss, as serious as the first, which says Fátima and the subject of his resignation: "violate what specifically requests one of our rules of LACRALO. " You have unread review consequences of regulations, to hold opinions without read the mails, and therefore no basis review, only basndose direct attacks or irnicas. And I would like to add something that I think anyone commenting and ms the list already: without discussing jurdicamente if residence or address, the requirement of Article 8 is quite logic: means the esttodos one place where the DAS, and if not in the region, not tendrel close and direct contact with users of the Internet, between other things, and not necessary recycling existirel needed to adequately fulfill the function. I urge you to reflect on what has been done. Regards Alberto Soto ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] In the name of Fatima Cambronero Posted on: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:16 am To: LACRALO Espaol; Olivier Crpin-Leblond, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, At-Large Staff; Rodrigo de la Parra Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Waiver candidacy as representative LACRALO to ALAC Dear members of LACRALO, I am communicating with you in view of the last events occurred in our RALO to inform the decision that I have taken. SABRN As delegates of ALS have received their credentials for vote and make a decision as a region. We must rule on whether the cuestin candidate meets the requirement of Rule 8 of our Operating Principles, specifically requiring the principal residence in one of the countries of the region. According to the view favored our list sent by discusin LACRALO President and According the many arguments jurdicos presented in this post, basndonos in our Operating Principles LACRALO in the ICANN Bylaws, the laws of the State of California (and reinforced with additional sharee'ah), my understanding is that the rules are clear, both in terms of requiring residence in one of our countries of the region, and in addition on the means quse residence concept, a concept separate and distinct from the concept of address. I am convinced that the rules estn to accomplish. And msan when, with jurdicos the number of arguments presented, the rules are clear. Vote in this case implies that if we all agree (or the majority), we will decide what specifically requests violate one of our rules LACRALO. Taking the work of analyzing and respect our rules and present presentnuestro arguments LACRALO President, is a task very few were taken and that many of the answers to that email were full of disrespect and unsubstantiated opinions, with no jurdicos arguments, which is what should be analyzed in this case. I would like to fully understand this: I will always defend the right to region to rule and decide how issues that affect us as such. I worked and I will continue to reach consensus on our region, as it is not possible to decide for most of us. That s, provided that respecting our operating principles, our MoU with ICANN and the ICANN Bylaws. In the situation we are living in LACRALO, this is not the case. We are voting to decide to break the rules. As you all know my formation is a lawyer, and I made a vow: respect and enforce the laws (rules, rules, regulations). Therefore, to remain part of this election process, when going against my profession, my oath and my principles, is to go against my essence. As I have indicated those who were part of the redaccin our Operating Principles, the residence requirement (such as the Nationality of representatives) is by demanding our Principles Operating RALO to prevent capture by one organizacino by a group of organizations. Unfortunately it was achieved. A RALO estcapturado not, working in a healthy harmony, is a RALO where delegates from organizations that offer Workgroup, then participate in its conference and the decisions that Working Group, is a RALO where the official General Assembly undertook to deliver his report to the AG, then delivered without need to be requested by anyone, is a RALO where officers respect the tasks and functions assigned, consultndolo Officials with the others previously, is a RALO where our representatives discussed Policies, we as members are going delivering, after they are discussed as a region. It is regrettable that in our RALO, when you can not destroy positions with arguments, are destroyed by the force of the faults of respect, private pressures of unsubstantiated opinions. Lords, donkey can work or get results. We are like a bucket full of crabs where for wanting to stick his head up high ms, is head trample each other and ultimately no one leaves the bucket. This is not the LACRALO that I imagin. For the reasons expressed, primarily on the grounds that estn this case violated express and clear rules that require our LACRALO Operating Principles, * I decided to quit my candidacy as representative of LACRALO to ALAC. * Also take the opportunity to inform and notify my silence and lack of activity in the next few das, because I will be subjected to quirrgica intervencin I will keep off. Best regards, Fatima Cambronero - * Fatima Cambronero * Attorney-Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @ facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero * Join the LACRALO / ICANN discussions: * https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es * Join the discussions Diplo Internet Governance Community: * http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/ * Join to the Internet Society (ISOC): * http://www.internetsociety.org/ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/9d64397c74.html --]]
Alberto, Exactly where are you? You agree with both positions it seems. If I am reading Fatima correctly, she is clear that Humberto's nomination is within the rules. Further, if I am reading her correctly, she is saying that LACRALO is trying to use a majority to breach the rules. A member of this list reminded me today that this was the same thing some tried to do at the GA in CR; use their majority to breach the rules and have the elections at the GA. This was basically defeated by the Caribbean members, even though a minority. These two scenarios establishes a pattern of behaviour. I personally find it distressing that such behaviour is allowed to prevail within LACRALO to the point of a vote designed to circumvent established rules. Of course, if this vote denies Humberto's nomination, the rules will have to be re-written to reflect the decision and with all my might I shall insist that the rules are amended. There is no doubt that LACRALO or any RALO can make their rules tighter than ICANN rules. If it is that we don't want any representatives to be outside the region for any amount of time, then we can say this and state it too. If Humberto spends 4 months out of every year in Chile to complete his studies, I am not sure that equals residence outside the region. So there is nothing wrong with a vote to change it. However, this will effectively change the rules and more than that, change the intent of the rules on this matter to the point where anybody who has to travel outside the region often or spend months at a time outside the region, can be challenged as a candidate. This is the backlash that will be felt. Trying to change the rule makes the rule quite unreasonable and I dare say, unwanted and cumbersome. I would wish you to qualify your talk of unwarranted attacks and if you are referring to me, I would like you to point out where in my e-mails you see unwarranted attacks... but this way of trying to sully characters so that an illegal act can prevail is out of place. Personally I have said that the Chair is just not competent for the role. I said it in CR and I will say it again and if you check the votes you will see that I abstained because, for me, he had already demonstrated his incompetence in CR. I have no apologies for saying so. He may be competent in other areas, but not when it comes to interpreting and applying the rules. If a Chairman can't get a meeting past the agenda after 4 hours, what kind of chair is that? I suppose that I am being disrespectful, but if telling the truth is disrespectful, then I will always be disrespectful. I therefore plead guilty with the explanation that the evidence will bear out that what I have been saying is fair comment and you can take me to the cross on that charge... but don't expect me to be silent and don't expect that I will not express outrage at such attempts to circumvent the rules. ROK -----Original Message----- From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:39 PM To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Waiver LACRALO nomination as representative toALAC [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Waiver LACRALO nomination as representative to ALAC From: asoto@ibero-americano.org My first comment to Fátima: decisiny really surprises me is the I deeply regret, because by and DEV mritos of yours, tendramos Reida and excellent eleccin one. I think it's the first major noticeable loss This election act. I know and understand, ysque is unwavering. For the rest of the list and the recipients: the loss previously mentioned, we must add another loss, as serious as the first, which says Fátima and the subject of his resignation: "violate what specifically requests one of our rules of LACRALO. " You have unread review consequences of regulations, to hold opinions without read the mails, and therefore no basis review, only basndose direct attacks or irnicas. And I would like to add something that I think anyone commenting and ms the list already: without discussing jurdicamente if residence or address, the requirement of Article 8 is quite logic: means the esttodos one place where the DAS, and if not in the region, not tendrel close and direct contact with users of the Internet, between other things, and not necessary recycling existirel needed to adequately fulfill the function. I urge you to reflect on what has been done. Regards Alberto Soto ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] In the name of Fatima Cambronero Posted on: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:16 am To: LACRALO Espaol; Olivier Crpin-Leblond, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, At-Large Staff; Rodrigo de la Parra Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Waiver candidacy as representative LACRALO to ALAC Dear members of LACRALO, I am communicating with you in view of the last events occurred in our RALO to inform the decision that I have taken. SABRN As delegates of ALS have received their credentials for vote and make a decision as a region. We must rule on whether the cuestin candidate meets the requirement of Rule 8 of our Operating Principles, specifically requiring the principal residence in one of the countries of the region. According to the view favored our list sent by discusin LACRALO President and According the many arguments jurdicos presented in this post, basndonos in our Operating Principles LACRALO in the ICANN Bylaws, the laws of the State of California (and reinforced with additional sharee'ah), my understanding is that the rules are clear, both in terms of requiring residence in one of our countries of the region, and in addition on the means quse residence concept, a concept separate and distinct from the concept of address. I am convinced that the rules estn to accomplish. And msan when, with jurdicos the number of arguments presented, the rules are clear. Vote in this case implies that if we all agree (or the majority), we will decide what specifically requests violate one of our rules LACRALO. Taking the work of analyzing and respect our rules and present presentnuestro arguments LACRALO President, is a task very few were taken and that many of the answers to that email were full of disrespect and unsubstantiated opinions, with no jurdicos arguments, which is what should be analyzed in this case. I would like to fully understand this: I will always defend the right to region to rule and decide how issues that affect us as such. I worked and I will continue to reach consensus on our region, as it is not possible to decide for most of us. That s, provided that respecting our operating principles, our MoU with ICANN and the ICANN Bylaws. In the situation we are living in LACRALO, this is not the case. We are voting to decide to break the rules. As you all know my formation is a lawyer, and I made a vow: respect and enforce the laws (rules, rules, regulations). Therefore, to remain part of this election process, when going against my profession, my oath and my principles, is to go against my essence. As I have indicated those who were part of the redaccin our Operating Principles, the residence requirement (such as the Nationality of representatives) is by demanding our Principles Operating RALO to prevent capture by one organizacino by a group of organizations. Unfortunately it was achieved. A RALO estcapturado not, working in a healthy harmony, is a RALO where delegates from organizations that offer Workgroup, then participate in its conference and the decisions that Working Group, is a RALO where the official General Assembly undertook to deliver his report to the AG, then delivered without need to be requested by anyone, is a RALO where officers respect the tasks and functions assigned, consultndolo Officials with the others previously, is a RALO where our representatives discussed Policies, we as members are going delivering, after they are discussed as a region. It is regrettable that in our RALO, when you can not destroy positions with arguments, are destroyed by the force of the faults of respect, private pressures of unsubstantiated opinions. Lords, donkey can work or get results. We are like a bucket full of crabs where for wanting to stick his head up high ms, is head trample each other and ultimately no one leaves the bucket. This is not the LACRALO that I imagin. For the reasons expressed, primarily on the grounds that estn this case violated express and clear rules that require our LACRALO Operating Principles, * I decided to quit my candidacy as representative of LACRALO to ALAC. * Also take the opportunity to inform and notify my silence and lack of activity in the next few das, because I will be subjected to quirrgica intervencin I will keep off. Best regards, Fatima Cambronero - * Fatima Cambronero * Attorney-Argentina Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 Twitter: @ facambronero Skype: fatima.cambronero * Join the LACRALO / ICANN discussions: * https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es * Join the discussions Diplo Internet Governance Community: * http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/ * Join to the Internet Society (ISOC): * http://www.internetsociety.org/ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/9d64397c74.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5218 - Release Date: 08/22/12
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