Re: [lac-discuss-en] Elecciones LACRALO
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject:Re: Elecciones LACRALO Desde:Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> This is Alberto, this is only for this election, the rotation system will be defined in the New Rules of Procedure. Sorry if it is not clear in the paragraph of my email that I indicate below: "... the definitive method of rotation of charges will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure ...." Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANN Argentine Association of Internet Users / FeTIA FUILAC- Federation of Internet Users of LAC facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano Mon., Jun. 32019 at 12:49, <alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote: Sergio, with this the rotation for these elections would be approved, but not the rotation system. regards Alberto Soto From: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On behalf of Sergio Salinas Porto Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:08 pm To: At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> ; LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Dear colleagues, as you know, we have an electoral process ahead of us. Most regions have already started this and some have already completed it. In the governance group, different meetings have been held in order to reach agreement on how the electoral process will be and we have reached an agreement by consensus in the last meeting. This would be the method of rotation and positions to be chosen by LACRALO for this election, the methodological formula of definitive rotation of positions will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure. the positions to choose and the subregions for each of them would be like this. President MERCOSUR (SUBREGION D) Vice President CENTRAL AMERICA (SUBREGION A) Secretary ANDES (SUBREGION B) Vice Secretary CARIBBEAN (SUBREGION C) ALAC Member MERCOSUR -Excluded Argentina- (SUBREGION D) Member of the Caribbean NomCom (SUBREGION C) In cases where there is only one candidate at any time, consider the candidate chosen by acclamation and without further need of a vote. We put this proposal to the consideration of the region, I will give precise instructions to the staff, so that I put to vote this so that it is approved by the region and we put the electoral process in motion. A big hug to all and all Sergio Salinas PortoPresident Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANNA Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIAFUILAC- LACfacebook Internet Users Federation: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinasMobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b0e3c5b275.html --]]
Hi Sergio: There appears to be a misunderstanding so let me re-emphasize. If the proposal is accepted, it is the entirety of the proposal thatise, not parts of it. My #1 says the the rotation principle is *operationalized* starting 2019. That is, the only element missing is the formal recording in the successor RoP. My #2 adopted the *structure *of the region in sub-region format by simply *labeling* the collection of countries assigned for each sub-region. The sub-regions were established at Puerto Rico. My #3 laid out the *order *of the rotation. All the RoP will do is to formally adopt and maybe, extend the details. Unless we wish to undermine the rotation principle in action, the labels and order of rotation are immutable. That is to say, they may not be changed without damage to the effect of the rotation principle. Best, -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:59 AM Sergio Salinas Porto < presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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Subject:Re: Elecciones LACRALO Desde:Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar>
This is Alberto, this is only for this election, the rotation system will be defined in the New Rules of Procedure. Sorry if it is not clear in the paragraph of my email that I indicate below: "... the definitive method of rotation of charges will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure ...." Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANN Argentine Association of Internet Users / FeTIA FUILAC- Federation of Internet Users of LAC facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano
Mon., Jun. 32019 at 12:49, <alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:
Sergio, with this the rotation for these elections would be approved, but not the rotation system. regards Alberto Soto
From: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On behalf of Sergio Salinas Porto Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:08 pm To: At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> ; LACRALO Spanish < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections
Dear colleagues, as you know, we have an electoral process ahead of us. Most regions have already started this and some have already completed it. In the governance group, different meetings have been held in order to reach agreement on how the electoral process will be and we have reached an agreement by consensus in the last meeting. This would be the method of rotation and positions to be chosen by LACRALO for this election, the methodological formula of definitive rotation of positions will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure. the positions to choose and the subregions for each of them would be like this.
President MERCOSUR (SUBREGION D) Vice President CENTRAL AMERICA (SUBREGION A) Secretary ANDES (SUBREGION B) Vice Secretary CARIBBEAN (SUBREGION C) ALAC Member MERCOSUR -Excluded Argentina- (SUBREGION D) Member of the Caribbean NomCom (SUBREGION C)
In cases where there is only one candidate at any time, consider the candidate chosen by acclamation and without further need of a vote.
We put this proposal to the consideration of the region, I will give precise instructions to the staff, so that I put to vote this so that it is approved by the region and we put the electoral process in motion. A big hug to all and all
Sergio Salinas PortoPresident Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANNA Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIAFUILAC- LACfacebook Internet Users Federation: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinasMobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano
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Dear friends From my view, Carlton raised an interesting point alerting, as truth, that once we start the rotation process, stop it will certainly prejudice some sub regions, no matter which. As such, in this point I totally agree with Carlton that once starts it is done. By the other way, we need to respect our principles of community participation. My propose to allow us to proceed, respecting the community, is the following: 1. Let’s write a clear additive to our Rules of Procedure in force, to build a legal base. 2. With this in hand, let’s send a written - clear and transparent - explanation of all process that brought us here, back to mediation agreement, Operative Principles, rotation sequence agreement and the election for 2019 and let’s ask LACRALO community just to vote Yes or No. 3. Once we have the votes – majority wins and we proceed from there. If we have an agreement here, I can offer to write a draft of this additive and other native colleagues will correct both text and we will draft a clear statement of the whole process asking the staff to proceed to a web poll. Once it is done, we can ask for candidates to present themselves and the election will follow its process as normally. Appreciate any comment Kisses to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 19:08 To: Sergio Salinas <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Cc: LAC-Discuss-en <lac-discuss-en@icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Hi Sergio: There appears to be a misunderstanding so let me re-emphasize. If the proposal is accepted, it is the entirety of the proposal thatise, not parts of it. My #1 says the the rotation principle is operationalized starting 2019. That is, the only element missing is the formal recording in the successor RoP. My #2 adopted the structure of the region in sub-region format by simply labeling the collection of countries assigned for each sub-region. The sub-regions were established at Puerto Rico. My #3 laid out the order of the rotation. All the RoP will do is to formally adopt and maybe, extend the details. Unless we wish to undermine the rotation principle in action, the labels and order of rotation are immutable. That is to say, they may not be changed without damage to the effect of the rotation principle. Best, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:59 AM Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar<mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar>> wrote: [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject:Re: Elecciones LACRALO Desde:Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar<mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar>> This is Alberto, this is only for this election, the rotation system will be defined in the New Rules of Procedure. Sorry if it is not clear in the paragraph of my email that I indicate below: "... the definitive method of rotation of charges will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure ...." Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANN Argentine Association of Internet Users / FeTIA FUILAC- Federation of Internet Users of LAC facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano Mon., Jun. 32019 at 12:49, <alberto@soto.net.ar<mailto:alberto@soto.net.ar>> wrote: Sergio, with this the rotation for these elections would be approved, but not the rotation system. regards Alberto Soto From: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On behalf of Sergio Salinas Porto Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:08 pm To: At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> ; LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Dear colleagues, as you know, we have an electoral process ahead of us. Most regions have already started this and some have already completed it. In the governance group, different meetings have been held in order to reach agreement on how the electoral process will be and we have reached an agreement by consensus in the last meeting. This would be the method of rotation and positions to be chosen by LACRALO for this election, the methodological formula of definitive rotation of positions will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure. the positions to choose and the subregions for each of them would be like this. President MERCOSUR (SUBREGION D) Vice President CENTRAL AMERICA (SUBREGION A) Secretary ANDES (SUBREGION B) Vice Secretary CARIBBEAN (SUBREGION C) ALAC Member MERCOSUR -Excluded Argentina- (SUBREGION D) Member of the Caribbean NomCom (SUBREGION C) In cases where there is only one candidate at any time, consider the candidate chosen by acclamation and without further need of a vote. We put this proposal to the consideration of the region, I will give precise instructions to the staff, so that I put to vote this so that it is approved by the region and we put the electoral process in motion. A big hug to all and all Sergio Salinas PortoPresident Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANNA Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIAFUILAC- LACfacebook Internet Users Federation: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinasMobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b0e3c5b275.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Dear Vanda, we are the only RALO that has not completed its voting process: We must remember that the previous lierazgo, without a vote, extended his term of office for an important period. Just to get all the Ralos to vote at the same time. Now we are the only one that is not complying with the voting dates. I also have to remember that there is a deadline to inform travelers to ICANN 66. And if we continue like this, we will surely not meet that date. In the WG we said that this proposal could not be implemented due to lack of analysis of the total and the need of our Ralo vote, as proposed by the WG. How long do you think your proposal can take? Regards Alberto Soto De: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> En nombre de Vanda Scartezini Enviado el: martes, 04 de junio de 2019 06:12 p.m. Para: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>; Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> CC: LAC-Discuss-en <lac-discuss-en@icann.org> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Importancia: Alta Dear friends
From my view, Carlton raised an interesting point alerting, as truth, that once we start the rotation process, stop it will certainly prejudice some sub regions, no matter which.
As such, in this point I totally agree with Carlton that once starts it is done. By the other way, we need to respect our principles of community participation. My propose to allow us to proceed, respecting the community, is the following: a. Let’s write a clear additive to our Rules of Procedure in force, to build a legal base. b. With this in hand, let’s send a written - clear and transparent - explanation of all process that brought us here, back to mediation agreement, Operative Principles, rotation sequence agreement and the election for 2019 and let’s ask LACRALO community just to vote Yes or No. c. Once we have the votes – majority wins and we proceed from there. If we have an agreement here, I can offer to write a draft of this additive and other native colleagues will correct both text and we will draft a clear statement of the whole process asking the staff to proceed to a web poll. Once it is done, we can ask for candidates to present themselves and the election will follow its process as normally. Appreciate any comment Kisses to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 19:08 To: Sergio Salinas <presidencia@internauta.org.ar <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar> > Cc: LAC-Discuss-en <lac-discuss-en@icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Hi Sergio: There appears to be a misunderstanding so let me re-emphasize. If the proposal is accepted, it is the entirety of the proposal thatise, not parts of it. My #1 says the the rotation principle is operationalized starting 2019. That is, the only element missing is the formal recording in the successor RoP. My #2 adopted the structure of the region in sub-region format by simply labeling the collection of countries assigned for each sub-region. The sub-regions were established at Puerto Rico. My #3 laid out the order of the rotation. All the RoP will do is to formally adopt and maybe, extend the details. Unless we wish to undermine the rotation principle in action, the labels and order of rotation are immutable. That is to say, they may not be changed without damage to the effect of the rotation principle. Best, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:59 AM Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar> > wrote: [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject:Re: Elecciones LACRALO Desde:Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar> > This is Alberto, this is only for this election, the rotation system will be defined in the New Rules of Procedure. Sorry if it is not clear in the paragraph of my email that I indicate below: "... the definitive method of rotation of charges will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure ...." Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANN Argentine Association of Internet Users / FeTIA FUILAC- Federation of Internet Users of LAC facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano Mon., Jun. 32019 at 12:49, <alberto@soto.net.ar <mailto:alberto@soto.net.ar> > wrote: Sergio, with this the rotation for these elections would be approved, but not the rotation system. regards Alberto Soto From: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > On behalf of Sergio Salinas Porto Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:08 pm To: At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> > ; LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Dear colleagues, as you know, we have an electoral process ahead of us. Most regions have already started this and some have already completed it. In the governance group, different meetings have been held in order to reach agreement on how the electoral process will be and we have reached an agreement by consensus in the last meeting. This would be the method of rotation and positions to be chosen by LACRALO for this election, the methodological formula of definitive rotation of positions will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure. the positions to choose and the subregions for each of them would be like this. President MERCOSUR (SUBREGION D) Vice President CENTRAL AMERICA (SUBREGION A) Secretary ANDES (SUBREGION B) Vice Secretary CARIBBEAN (SUBREGION C) ALAC Member MERCOSUR -Excluded Argentina- (SUBREGION D) Member of the Caribbean NomCom (SUBREGION C) In cases where there is only one candidate at any time, consider the candidate chosen by acclamation and without further need of a vote. We put this proposal to the consideration of the region, I will give precise instructions to the staff, so that I put to vote this so that it is approved by the region and we put the electoral process in motion. A big hug to all and all Sergio Salinas PortoPresident Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANNA Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIAFUILAC- LACfacebook Internet Users Federation: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinasMobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b0e3c5b275.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Please also write in the list in Spanish, Regards Alberto Soto De: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> En nombre de alberto@soto.net.ar Enviado el: martes, 04 de junio de 2019 06:36 p.m. Para: 'Vanda Scartezini' <vanda@scartezini.org>; 'Carlton Samuels' <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>; 'Sergio Salinas Porto' <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> CC: 'LAC-Discuss-en' <lac-discuss-en@icann.org> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Dear Vanda, we are the only RALO that has not completed its voting process: We must remember that the previous lierazgo, without a vote, extended his term of office for an important period. Just to get all the Ralos to vote at the same time. Now we are the only one that is not complying with the voting dates. I also have to remember that there is a deadline to inform travelers to ICANN 66. And if we continue like this, we will surely not meet that date. In the WG we said that this proposal could not be implemented due to lack of analysis of the total and the need of our Ralo vote, as proposed by the WG. How long do you think your proposal can take? Regards Alberto Soto De: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > En nombre de Vanda Scartezini Enviado el: martes, 04 de junio de 2019 06:12 p.m. Para: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> >; Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar> > CC: LAC-Discuss-en <lac-discuss-en@icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@icann.org> > Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Importancia: Alta Dear friends
From my view, Carlton raised an interesting point alerting, as truth, that once we start the rotation process, stop it will certainly prejudice some sub regions, no matter which.
As such, in this point I totally agree with Carlton that once starts it is done. By the other way, we need to respect our principles of community participation. My propose to allow us to proceed, respecting the community, is the following: a. Let’s write a clear additive to our Rules of Procedure in force, to build a legal base. b. With this in hand, let’s send a written - clear and transparent - explanation of all process that brought us here, back to mediation agreement, Operative Principles, rotation sequence agreement and the election for 2019 and let’s ask LACRALO community just to vote Yes or No. c. Once we have the votes – majority wins and we proceed from there. If we have an agreement here, I can offer to write a draft of this additive and other native colleagues will correct both text and we will draft a clear statement of the whole process asking the staff to proceed to a web poll. Once it is done, we can ask for candidates to present themselves and the election will follow its process as normally. Appreciate any comment Kisses to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 19:08 To: Sergio Salinas <presidencia@internauta.org.ar <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar> > Cc: LAC-Discuss-en <lac-discuss-en@icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Hi Sergio: There appears to be a misunderstanding so let me re-emphasize. If the proposal is accepted, it is the entirety of the proposal thatise, not parts of it. My #1 says the the rotation principle is operationalized starting 2019. That is, the only element missing is the formal recording in the successor RoP. My #2 adopted the structure of the region in sub-region format by simply labeling the collection of countries assigned for each sub-region. The sub-regions were established at Puerto Rico. My #3 laid out the order of the rotation. All the RoP will do is to formally adopt and maybe, extend the details. Unless we wish to undermine the rotation principle in action, the labels and order of rotation are immutable. That is to say, they may not be changed without damage to the effect of the rotation principle. Best, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:59 AM Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar> > wrote: [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject:Re: Elecciones LACRALO Desde:Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar <mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar> > This is Alberto, this is only for this election, the rotation system will be defined in the New Rules of Procedure. Sorry if it is not clear in the paragraph of my email that I indicate below: "... the definitive method of rotation of charges will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure ...." Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANN Argentine Association of Internet Users / FeTIA FUILAC- Federation of Internet Users of LAC facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano Mon., Jun. 32019 at 12:49, <alberto@soto.net.ar <mailto:alberto@soto.net.ar> > wrote: Sergio, with this the rotation for these elections would be approved, but not the rotation system. regards Alberto Soto From: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > On behalf of Sergio Salinas Porto Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:08 pm To: At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> > ; LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections Dear colleagues, as you know, we have an electoral process ahead of us. Most regions have already started this and some have already completed it. In the governance group, different meetings have been held in order to reach agreement on how the electoral process will be and we have reached an agreement by consensus in the last meeting. This would be the method of rotation and positions to be chosen by LACRALO for this election, the methodological formula of definitive rotation of positions will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure. the positions to choose and the subregions for each of them would be like this. President MERCOSUR (SUBREGION D) Vice President CENTRAL AMERICA (SUBREGION A) Secretary ANDES (SUBREGION B) Vice Secretary CARIBBEAN (SUBREGION C) ALAC Member MERCOSUR -Excluded Argentina- (SUBREGION D) Member of the Caribbean NomCom (SUBREGION C) In cases where there is only one candidate at any time, consider the candidate chosen by acclamation and without further need of a vote. We put this proposal to the consideration of the region, I will give precise instructions to the staff, so that I put to vote this so that it is approved by the region and we put the electoral process in motion. A big hug to all and all Sergio Salinas PortoPresident Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANNA Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIAFUILAC- LACfacebook Internet Users Federation: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinasMobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b0e3c5b275.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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I see no problem with Carlton's very clear explanation. Can we proceed now? Time is of essence. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA El 2019-06-03 16:08, Carlton Samuels escribió:
Hi Sergio: There appears to be a misunderstanding so let me re-emphasize.
If the proposal is accepted, it is the entirety of the proposal thatise, not parts of it.
My #1 says the the rotation principle is _OPERATIONALIZED_ starting 2019. That is, the only element missing is the formal recording in the successor RoP.
My #2 adopted the _STRUCTURE_ of the region in sub-region format by simply _LABELING_ the collection of countries assigned for each sub-region. The sub-regions were established at Puerto Rico.
My #3 laid out the _ORDER_ of the rotation.
All the RoP will do is to formally adopt and maybe, extend the details.
Unless we wish to undermine the rotation principle in action, the labels and order of rotation are immutable.
That is to say, they may not be changed without damage to the effect of the rotation principle.
Best, -Carlton ==============================
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:59 AM Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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Subject:Re: Elecciones LACRALO Desde:Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar>
This is Alberto, this is only for this election, the rotation system will be defined in the New Rules of Procedure. Sorry if it is not clear in the paragraph of my email that I indicate below: "... the definitive method of rotation of charges will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure ...." Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANN Argentine Association of Internet Users / FeTIA FUILAC- Federation of Internet Users of LAC facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano
Mon., Jun. 32019 at 12:49, <alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:
Sergio, with this the rotation for these elections would be approved, but not the rotation system. regards Alberto Soto
From: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On behalf of Sergio Salinas Porto Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:08 pm To: At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> ; LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO Elections
Dear colleagues, as you know, we have an electoral process ahead of us. Most regions have already started this and some have already completed it. In the governance group, different meetings have been held in order to reach agreement on how the electoral process will be and we have reached an agreement by consensus in the last meeting. This would be the method of rotation and positions to be chosen by LACRALO for this election, the methodological formula of definitive rotation of positions will be put in writing in our new rules of procedure. the positions to choose and the subregions for each of them would be like this.
President MERCOSUR (SUBREGION D) Vice President CENTRAL AMERICA (SUBREGION A) Secretary ANDES (SUBREGION B) Vice Secretary CARIBBEAN (SUBREGION C) ALAC Member MERCOSUR -Excluded Argentina- (SUBREGION D) Member of the Caribbean NomCom (SUBREGION C)
In cases where there is only one candidate at any time, consider the candidate chosen by acclamation and without further need of a vote.
We put this proposal to the consideration of the region, I will give precise instructions to the staff, so that I put to vote this so that it is approved by the region and we put the electoral process in motion. A big hug to all and all
Sergio Salinas PortoPresident Internaut Argentina - LACRALO / ICANNA Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIAFUILAC- LACfacebook Internet Users Federation: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinasMobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 "Hopefully we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano
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alberto＠soto.net.ar -
Carlos Raul Gutierrez -
Carlton Samuels -
Sergio Salinas Porto -
Vanda Scartezini