Re: [lac-discuss-en] [At-Large] Role of ICANN in US/Verisign seizures of .com domains
We are on record: extra-jurisdictional reach of US domestic law is extremely troubling for us in the Caribbean. Especially when time and again, the USG demonstrates it is not 'bound to respect' those from our side! With respect to online gambling and despite numerous WTO rulings against, the USG continues to punish our Antigua and Barbuda family member for daring to try and raise itself up with its own bootstraps. The hypocrisy is past rancid. But sure as night follows day, what goes around comes around; 'blow back' is a bitch. I also believe that with the Internet declared a 'national security interest' of the United States, I am sure the time will come when some yet sensate persons will put 'two and two' together for twenty-two, and begin the journey to understand this is inimical to their global interests. Message: never give up on America, despite the deep 'luddite' and nativist streak which tops the surface from time to time. Someone will eventually 'spell sense' right! - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh@cis-india.org>wrote:
From the easyDNS blog: http://goo.gl/jt3oq
## Verisign seizes .com domain registered via foreign Registrar on behalf of US Authorities.
Written by Mark Jeftovic on February 29, 2012
Yesterday Forbes broke [the news that Canadian Calvin Ayre and partners who operate the Bodog online gambling empire have been indicted in the U.S.][], and in a blog post [Calvin Ayre confirmed that their bodog.com domain had been seized by homeland security][]. As reported in Forbes ([hat tip to The Domains][] for the cite),
According to the six-page indictment filed by Rosenstein, Ayre worked with Philip, Ferguson and Maloney to supervise an illegal gambling business from June 2005 to January 2012 in violation of Maryland law. The indictment focuses on the movement of funds from accounts outside the U.S., in Switzerland, England, Malta, and Canada, and the hiring of media resellers and advertisers to promote Internet gambling.
“Sports betting is illegal in Maryland, and federal law prohibits bookmakers from flouting that law simply because they are located outside the country,” Rosenstein said in a statement. “Many of the harms that underlie gambling prohibitions are exacerbated when the enterprises operate over the Internet without regulation.”
That is a truly scary quote but we'll emphasize that: "The indictment focuses on the movement of funds **outside the U.S.**" and that you can't just "flout US law" by *not being in the US*. What also needs to be understood is that the domain bodog.com was registered to via a non-US Registrar, namely [Vancouver's domainclip][].
## So Here's Where It Get's Scary…
We all know that with some US-based Registrars (\*cough\* Godaddy \*cough\*), all it takes is a badge out of a box of crackerjacks and you have the authority to [fax in a takedown request which has a good shot at being honoured][]. We also know that some non-US registrars, i[t takes a lot more "due process-iness" to get a domain taken down.][]
But now, none of that matters, because in this case the State of Maryland simply issued [a federal warrant was issued in the State of Maryland][][1] to .com operator Verisign, (who is headquartered in California) who then duly updated the rootzone for .com with two new NS records for bodog.com which now redirect the domain to the takedown page.
This is exactly the scenario we were worried about [when Verisign originally tabled their very troubling takedown proposal][]. Said proposal was quickly retracted, but here we have the same situation playing out anyway. Granted, this was an actual court order, to Verisign – not a "request" from a governmental or "quasi-governmental" agency as originally proposed.
But at the end of the day what has happened is that US law (in fact, Maryland state law) as been imposed on a .com domain operating outside the USA, which is the subtext we were very worried about [when we commented on SOPA][]. Even though SOPA is currently in limbo, the reality that US law can now be asserted over all domains registered under .com, .net, org, .biz and maybe .info (Afilias is headquartered in Ireland by operates out of the US).
This is no longer a doom-and-gloom theory by some guy in a tin foil hat. It just happened.
The ramifications of this are no less than chilling and every single organization branded or operating under .com, .net, .org, .biz etc needs to ask themselves about their vulnerability to the whims of US federal and state lawmakers (not exactly known their cluefulness nor even-handedness, especially with regard to matters of the internet).
## The larger picture: root monopolies and the need to replace ICANN
The .com root will never be opened to a truly competitive bidding process. Verisign has pretty well ensconced themselves into the .com and .net roots indefinitely with [built-in price hikes baked into the cake][]. I recall a conversation I once had with Tucows CEO Elliot Noss, back when they still owned Liberty RMS (which ran the .info registry and later sold to Afilias) – he lamented that if the .com registry bidding process were *truly* competitive, you would see a registry operator in there doing it for about $2 per domain. At the time the wholesale cost of a .com domain was $6 and is now $7.85 after their latest *annual increase* which is hard-coded into their contract.
I mention this because a truly competitive bidding process for the registry operator job would bring out both cost competition and stewardship competition: players who would table proposals on just how they would respect the rights of all their stakeholders, not to mention operators who may operate outside the United States.
**Where the fsck is ICANN in all of this?**
****They are nowhere. They are collecting their fees, pushing their agenda of as many possible new-top-level domains and despite the fact that SOPA, ACTA, PIPA et aim directly at the interests of their core stakeholders, for whom they are supposed to be advocates and stewards. ICANN is conspicuous in their absence from the debate, save for a smug and trite abdication of involvement (i.e. "[ICANN Doesn't Take Down Websites][]") – translation: "This isn't our problem".
And therein lies the issue. ***ICANN needs to make this their problem, because it very much is.*** If ICANN isn't going to stand up, and vigorously campaign for **global** stakeholder representation in these matters, than they are not only abdicating any responsibility in the ongoing and escalating crackdown on internet freedom, they are *also* abdicating their right to govern and oversee it.
They need to be visible, they need to be loud and they need to come down on the right side of these issues or they need to be replaced.
**Of course, the replacement of ICANN will never happen.** At least not by a non-US entity, which means we are once again headed to the unthinkable place that only crackpots and conspiracy theorists think possible: a fractured internet with competing roots. On the bright side, life will go on, and companies like mine will probably become exceedingly wealthy charging every internet user in the world fees to gain and project visibility across all the myriad internet roots that will someday exist because governments will refuse to approach it co-operatively. The only thing that will remain to be seen is whether we'll be deemed "criminals" for doing so.
## Further Reading:
- [First They Came For The Filesharing Domains][] - [Verisign Takedown Proposal Very Worrisome][when Verisign originally tabled their very troubling takedown proposal] - [How SOPA Will Destroy The Internet][when we commented on SOPA] - [The Price of Freedom and The Cost of a Domain Name][fax in a takedown request which has a good shot at being honoured] - [The Official easyDNS Takedown Policy][t takes a lot more "due process-iness" to get a domain taken down.] - [Further Ramifications of US Government Domain Takedowns][]
## Footnote
[1] I originally was under the impression that the State of Maryland issued the warrant, it has been pointed out to me that this is not the case, the warrant is a federal warrant issued in the State of Maryland.
## Links
[the news that Canadian Calvin Ayre and partners who operate the Bodog online gambling empire have been indicted in the U.S.]:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/02/28/feds-indict-former-online... [Calvin Ayre confirmed that their bodog.com domain had been seized by homeland security]:
http://calvinayre.com/2012/02/28/legal/calvin-ayre-indicted-by-feds-calvin-a... [hat tip to The Domains]:
http://www.thedomains.com/2012/02/28/feds-not-only-seize-the-domain-name-bod... [Vancouver's domainclip]: http://www.domainclip.com [fax in a takedown request which has a good shot at being honoured]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2012/02/17/the-price-of-freedom-and-the-cost-of-a-do... "The price of freedom and the cost of a domain name" [t takes a lot more "due process-iness" to get a domain taken down.]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2012/02/21/the-official-easydns-domain-takedown-poli... "The Official easyDNS Domain Takedown Policy" [a federal warrant was issued in the State of Maryland]:
http://cdn3.bit2host.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BodogWebsiteSeizureWarra... [when Verisign originally tabled their very troubling takedown proposal]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2011/10/11/verisign-domain-takedown-proposal-very-wo... "Verisign domain takedown proposal very worrisome." [when we commented on SOPA]: http://blog.easydns.org/2011/12/22/how-sopa-will-destroy-the-internet/ "How SOPA Will Destroy The Internet" [built-in price hikes baked into the cake]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2007/04/16/verisign-raises-fees-on-com-and-net-easyd... "Verisign raises fees on .COM and .NET, easyDNS…doesn't" [ICANN Doesn't Take Down Websites]: http://blog.icann.org/2010/12/icann-doesn’t-take-down-websites/ [First They Came For The Filesharing Domains]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2010/11/27/first-they-came-for-the-file-sharing-doma... "First they came for the file-sharing domains…" [Further Ramifications of US Government Domain Takedowns]:
http://blog2.easydns.org/2012/03/05/the-ramifications-of-us-government-domai...
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>wrote:
We are on record: extra-jurisdictional reach of US domestic law is extremely troubling for us in the Caribbean. Especially when time and again, the USG demonstrates it is not 'bound to respect' those from our side!
With the ITU reviewing its Treaties and Resolutions in December this year, it's not hard to forecast what will make it into the Agenda.
With respect to online gambling and despite numerous WTO rulings against, the USG continues to punish our Antigua and Barbuda family member for daring to try and raise itself up with its own bootstraps.
The hypocrisy is past rancid. But sure as night follows day, what goes around comes around; 'blow back' is a bitch.
I also believe that with the Internet declared a 'national security interest' of the United States, I am sure the time will come when some yet sensate persons will put 'two and two' together for twenty-two, and begin the journey to understand this is inimical to their global interests.
Message: never give up on America, despite the deep 'luddite' and nativist streak which tops the surface from time to time. Someone will eventually 'spell sense' right!
- Carlton
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh@cis-india.org
wrote:
From the easyDNS blog: http://goo.gl/jt3oq
## Verisign seizes .com domain registered via foreign Registrar on behalf of US Authorities.
Written by Mark Jeftovic on February 29, 2012
Yesterday Forbes broke [the news that Canadian Calvin Ayre and partners who operate the Bodog online gambling empire have been indicted in the U.S.][], and in a blog post [Calvin Ayre confirmed that their bodog.com domain had been seized by homeland security][]. As reported in Forbes ([hat tip to The Domains][] for the cite),
According to the six-page indictment filed by Rosenstein, Ayre worked with Philip, Ferguson and Maloney to supervise an illegal gambling business from June 2005 to January 2012 in violation of Maryland law. The indictment focuses on the movement of funds from accounts outside the U.S., in Switzerland, England, Malta, and Canada, and the hiring of media resellers and advertisers to promote Internet gambling.
“Sports betting is illegal in Maryland, and federal law prohibits bookmakers from flouting that law simply because they are located outside the country,” Rosenstein said in a statement. “Many of the harms that underlie gambling prohibitions are exacerbated when the enterprises operate over the Internet without regulation.”
That is a truly scary quote but we'll emphasize that: "The indictment focuses on the movement of funds **outside the U.S.**" and that you can't just "flout US law" by *not being in the US*. What also needs to be understood is that the domain bodog.com was registered to via a non-US Registrar, namely [Vancouver's domainclip][].
## So Here's Where It Get's Scary…
We all know that with some US-based Registrars (\*cough\* Godaddy \*cough\*), all it takes is a badge out of a box of crackerjacks and you have the authority to [fax in a takedown request which has a good shot at being honoured][]. We also know that some non-US registrars, i[t takes a lot more "due process-iness" to get a domain taken down.][]
But now, none of that matters, because in this case the State of Maryland simply issued [a federal warrant was issued in the State of Maryland][][1] to .com operator Verisign, (who is headquartered in California) who then duly updated the rootzone for .com with two new NS records for bodog.com which now redirect the domain to the takedown page.
This is exactly the scenario we were worried about [when Verisign originally tabled their very troubling takedown proposal][]. Said proposal was quickly retracted, but here we have the same situation playing out anyway. Granted, this was an actual court order, to Verisign – not a "request" from a governmental or "quasi-governmental" agency as originally proposed.
But at the end of the day what has happened is that US law (in fact, Maryland state law) as been imposed on a .com domain operating outside the USA, which is the subtext we were very worried about [when we commented on SOPA][]. Even though SOPA is currently in limbo, the reality that US law can now be asserted over all domains registered under .com, .net, org, .biz and maybe .info (Afilias is headquartered in Ireland by operates out of the US).
This is no longer a doom-and-gloom theory by some guy in a tin foil hat. It just happened.
The ramifications of this are no less than chilling and every single organization branded or operating under .com, .net, .org, .biz etc needs to ask themselves about their vulnerability to the whims of US federal and state lawmakers (not exactly known their cluefulness nor even-handedness, especially with regard to matters of the internet).
## The larger picture: root monopolies and the need to replace ICANN
The .com root will never be opened to a truly competitive bidding process. Verisign has pretty well ensconced themselves into the .com and .net roots indefinitely with [built-in price hikes baked into the cake][]. I recall a conversation I once had with Tucows CEO Elliot Noss, back when they still owned Liberty RMS (which ran the .info registry and later sold to Afilias) – he lamented that if the .com registry bidding process were *truly* competitive, you would see a registry operator in there doing it for about $2 per domain. At the time the wholesale cost of a .com domain was $6 and is now $7.85 after their latest *annual increase* which is hard-coded into their contract.
I mention this because a truly competitive bidding process for the registry operator job would bring out both cost competition and stewardship competition: players who would table proposals on just how they would respect the rights of all their stakeholders, not to mention operators who may operate outside the United States.
**Where the fsck is ICANN in all of this?**
****They are nowhere. They are collecting their fees, pushing their agenda of as many possible new-top-level domains and despite the fact that SOPA, ACTA, PIPA et aim directly at the interests of their core stakeholders, for whom they are supposed to be advocates and stewards. ICANN is conspicuous in their absence from the debate, save for a smug and trite abdication of involvement (i.e. "[ICANN Doesn't Take Down Websites][]") – translation: "This isn't our problem".
And therein lies the issue. ***ICANN needs to make this their problem, because it very much is.*** If ICANN isn't going to stand up, and vigorously campaign for **global** stakeholder representation in these matters, than they are not only abdicating any responsibility in the ongoing and escalating crackdown on internet freedom, they are *also* abdicating their right to govern and oversee it.
They need to be visible, they need to be loud and they need to come down on the right side of these issues or they need to be replaced.
**Of course, the replacement of ICANN will never happen.** At least not by a non-US entity, which means we are once again headed to the unthinkable place that only crackpots and conspiracy theorists think possible: a fractured internet with competing roots. On the bright side, life will go on, and companies like mine will probably become exceedingly wealthy charging every internet user in the world fees to gain and project visibility across all the myriad internet roots that will someday exist because governments will refuse to approach it co-operatively. The only thing that will remain to be seen is whether we'll be deemed "criminals" for doing so.
## Further Reading:
- [First They Came For The Filesharing Domains][] - [Verisign Takedown Proposal Very Worrisome][when Verisign originally tabled their very troubling takedown proposal] - [How SOPA Will Destroy The Internet][when we commented on SOPA] - [The Price of Freedom and The Cost of a Domain Name][fax in a takedown request which has a good shot at being honoured] - [The Official easyDNS Takedown Policy][t takes a lot more "due process-iness" to get a domain taken down.] - [Further Ramifications of US Government Domain Takedowns][]
## Footnote
[1] I originally was under the impression that the State of Maryland issued the warrant, it has been pointed out to me that this is not the case, the warrant is a federal warrant issued in the State of Maryland.
## Links
[the news that Canadian Calvin Ayre and partners who operate the Bodog online gambling empire have been indicted in the U.S.]:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/02/28/feds-indict-former-online...
[Calvin Ayre confirmed that their bodog.com domain had been seized by homeland security]:
http://calvinayre.com/2012/02/28/legal/calvin-ayre-indicted-by-feds-calvin-a...
[hat tip to The Domains]:
http://www.thedomains.com/2012/02/28/feds-not-only-seize-the-domain-name-bod...
[Vancouver's domainclip]: http://www.domainclip.com [fax in a takedown request which has a good shot at being honoured]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2012/02/17/the-price-of-freedom-and-the-cost-of-a-do...
"The price of freedom and the cost of a domain name" [t takes a lot more "due process-iness" to get a domain taken down.]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2012/02/21/the-official-easydns-domain-takedown-poli...
"The Official easyDNS Domain Takedown Policy" [a federal warrant was issued in the State of Maryland]:
http://cdn3.bit2host.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BodogWebsiteSeizureWarra...
[when Verisign originally tabled their very troubling takedown proposal]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2011/10/11/verisign-domain-takedown-proposal-very-wo...
"Verisign domain takedown proposal very worrisome." [when we commented on SOPA]: http://blog.easydns.org/2011/12/22/how-sopa-will-destroy-the-internet/ "How SOPA Will Destroy The Internet" [built-in price hikes baked into the cake]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2007/04/16/verisign-raises-fees-on-com-and-net-easyd...
"Verisign raises fees on .COM and .NET, easyDNS…doesn't" [ICANN Doesn't Take Down Websites]: http://blog.icann.org/2010/12/icann-doesn’t-take-down-websites/ [First They Came For The Filesharing Domains]:
http://blog.easydns.org/2010/11/27/first-they-came-for-the-file-sharing-doma...
"First they came for the file-sharing domains…" [Further Ramifications of US Government Domain Takedowns]:
http://blog2.easydns.org/2012/03/05/the-ramifications-of-us-government-domai...
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Carlton et al As a registrar based in the EU every time I see these kind of stories I get very nervous. Gambling (both online and offline) is legal in Ireland. As far as I know most of the big Irish sites are using .com domain names, but have been blocking US users from accessing them. But if the US were to seize those domains this would have a horrible "chilling effect". The Wired.com article on recent seizures is worth reading http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/feds-seize-foreign-sites/ I suspect that this will be a fairly hot topic this week in Costa Rica Regards Michele Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.biz http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
At 18:02 09/03/2012, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:
Carlton et al As a registrar based in the EU every time I see these kind of stories I get very nervous.
Gambling (both online and offline) is legal in Ireland. As far as I know most of the big Irish sites are using .com domain names, but have been blocking US users from accessing them. But if the US were to seize those domains this would have a horrible "chilling effect". The Wired.com article on recent seizures is worth reading http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/feds-seize-foreign-sites/ I suspect that this will be a fairly hot topic this week in Costa Rica
Michele, the problem is that you are yourself the source of the problem. Registrars have been created by ICANN to build something they would be sovereign on. Since ICANN is associated with the NTIA (affirmation of commitment) in running the IN (ICANN/NTIA) CLASS there are two ways of dealing with this that ICANN has clearly proposed in its ICP-3 fundamental document. 1. you experiment a new way of managing that ICANN/NTIA CLASS that may lead to a technology not using a unique root. 2. you use another CLASS you are entitled to (there are 65,535 other ones). This seems rather fair and realistic. My "Internet+" IETF Drafts (architectural framework: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iucg-internet-plus-08.txt, where to document this architecture: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iucg-iutf-tasks-00.txt) offer a response to those two points. However, the implied change in our Internet Use is such that the evolution has to be smoothly managed. This is why I prefered Google to implement it first, to show the world that it is here and what is *adds* to the existing Internet legacy (does not change a single bit) : this is Google+ and PublicDNS. They make the Internet Google centric. Once this has been understood the people centric Internet+, the ML-DNS (multi-layer access to the DNS on the user side) and Netix (a network integrated command set) will come as an open response to the closed Google+ approach. Like Open Sources came as a response to Microsoft. One cannot avoid what is in the Internet genes. All this is in RFC 791 principle of robustness, RFC 1958 principle of permanent change, RFC 3439 principle of simplicity, RFC 5895 implied principle of subsidiarity as a response to the lack of presentation layer. The problem is to welcome it in the best manner and in not creating havoc. Best. jfc
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