Re: [lac-discuss-en] Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject:Re: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 Desde:Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul@gutierrez.se> Thanks Sergio! Procedural question How much time do we have to comment: a) the decision of the board b) the PICs that are going to be included in the delegation? I think we should be guided by these deadlines and not by the time of our calls Greetings to all --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA On 2018-10-28 15:34, Sergio Salinas Porto wrote: Dear friends, it's good that we are discussing these issues! I go in parts: 1) I will instruct the Secretariat so that together with the staff they organize the requested wiki (I understand that this will be done once the staff reincorporates to the usual tasks) 2) It is true that a minute was sent (very similar to a record), in the last meeting by teleconference with Göran, but not in the meeting we had face to face in Barcelona. I am going to ask if it is possible to give these minutes in our community. Regards! Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users Sun., Oct. 28 from 2018 17:50, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers. What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon.We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent. From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties. These conditions must go beyond economic compensation.And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent.I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process beginning with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting. I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone.That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On October 28 2018 17:50, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers. What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon.We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent. From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties. These conditions must go beyond economic compensation.And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent.I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process beginning with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting. I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone.That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4c97156cbc.html --]]
First of all we need to have more clearly the full agreement made among countries and AMAZON. Once we have that in details we can analyze and see what we can suggest to improve users advantage Kisses to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. On 11/2/18, 09:13, "lac-discuss-en on behalf of Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of carlosraul@gutierrez.se> wrote: [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] [[--This message had format issues and was not translated properly--]] Subject:Re: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 Desde:Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul@gutierrez.se> Thanks Sergio! Procedural question How much time do we have to comment: a) the decision of the board b) the PICs that are going to be included in the delegation? I think we should be guided by these deadlines and not by the time of our calls Greetings to all --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA On 2018-10-28 15:34, Sergio Salinas Porto wrote: Dear friends, it's good that we are discussing these issues! I go in parts: 1) I will instruct the Secretariat so that together with the staff they organize the requested wiki (I understand that this will be done once the staff reincorporates to the usual tasks) 2) It is true that a minute was sent (very similar to a record), in the last meeting by teleconference with Göran, but not in the meeting we had face to face in Barcelona. I am going to ask if it is possible to give these minutes in our community. Regards! Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users Sun., Oct. 28 from 2018 17:50, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers. What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon.We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent. From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties. These conditions must go beyond economic compensation.And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent.I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process beginning with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting. I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone.That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On October 28 2018 17:50, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alejandro, First of all, I agree with what you propose. I would like to make some comments in your email. regards On 28-10-2018, at 20:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Sergio, Humberto, Carlton Thank you for your answers. What I am proposing is precisely a type of restriction to the use of punto-amazon that complements the one that will surely be proposed by the governments of the countries of the Amazon basin. They will surely propose that certain names can not be used, for example brasil.amazon.We should balance the commercial interest - which finally can also be beneficial for our Internet users, for example those who sell goods and services through that virtual store - with the government - which the governments of the region will take care of but also the from outside the region - and from the users we represent. From what we know publicly, negotiation can lead to some restrictions on the use of domain names and an economic negotiation in which the company pays something to governments to compensate for the use of the name. One way to actively maintain this citizen and technical community interest is not to let the dispute be resolved only between governments and companies, and to represent the citizen's interest in the defense of the environment, the native peoples, and other tendencies. Let's prepare ourselves to propose through LACRALO and At-Large conditions that can be accepted by all parties. These conditions must go beyond economic compensation.And they should also foresee that among Internet users in our region many use Amazon services at least to buy goods and services, to sell goods and services, and to establish civil associations and businesses using the "cloud" services of AWS. Let's explore the interests of the members of our associations and come back in a few weeks with a better understanding of them. In my opinion, we have a unique opportunity to make present in this negotiation process, not only the economic and governmental interests, but also the interests of the users that we represent.I agree to have a "brainstorm" regarding all the interests of the users that we could make present in this negotiation process. Maybe, our leaders could ask the staff to open a wiki page to determine those interests. I add that it is desirable that you transmit the main points discussed in meetings such as the one held with Goran to enforce the commitments of the LACRALO conciliation process beginning with the agreed focus on policy development. Regarding this point, only in the last teleconference did the minutes discussed at the meetings of the presidents of the RALOS with Göran begin to be taken. However, the discussion around the subject of the Amazon point was discussed personally with Góran on Wednesday, October 24, which just happened. I do not know if there is a record or record of that meeting. I recommend Sergio, in his capacity as the new president of LACRALO, to ask the presidents of the other RALOS and Göran if it is possible to communicate the minutes of these monthly meetings to our community. Alejandro Pisanty On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:30 AM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sergio, Just to add that in this Göran Meeting he implied that a series of requirements for his delegation of the bag would be imposed in order to try to balance all the interests in question. regards Sent from my iPhone On 10-27-2018, at 12:23 PM, Sergio Salinas Porto <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote: Dear Alejandro, this particular topic was the one that occupied me in the meeting of Regional Presidents with Göran, where you had an interesting exchange of ideas. Often times you are concerned about a problem of the companies, or about the etymology of the word, and it does not visualize the implications that may have for the regional economies with designation of origin when the company has bad business or labor practices that influence the population of those countries (work in black, slave, child labor, etc). I would like (if you can) to help me understand a little more the scope of your proposal, I agree that the deforestation permits given by the states to the private ones, make our present and future an extremely dangerous place in terms of ecological sustainability . Hug Sergio Salinas Porto President Internaut Argentina Argentina Association of Internet Users / FeTIA / CTA FLUI- Latin American Federation of Internet Users On Thurs., Oct. 25 from 2018 18:31, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update.punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone. That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http: //www.lacralo. org On October 25 2018 18:31, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, thanks for the update. punto-Amazon will be able to continue in negotiations with the governments of its zone.That is a relief because these governments can stop dealing with the name "Amazon" and address the problems of deforestation, poverty, annihilation of indigenous peoples and exploitation. It is one of the most observed regions of the world in terms of global warming, climate change and carbon footprint. We as a civil society and technical community monitor the Amazon disaster through sites like this, which I highly recommend:https://www.globalforestwatch.org/ I wonder if now that we have new representatives and officials in LACRALO we could promote that once the point-Amazon delegation is resolved, we consider of public interest the creation of globalforestwatch.amazon and other sites that serve the similar purposes. It would be healthy for us to prove our independence in this way. This delegation is not urgent because it will probably take a while yet, but we must avoid being surprised when the time comes. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es) -]] Topic: Status of .amazon has changed Board Resolutions 2018.10.25.18 - 19 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Um, well .....https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2018-10-25-en # 2.d -Carlton ================================== =========== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Evaluation and Turnaround = ================================================= ======== [[--Original text (in) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ec03dfd847.html -]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty School of Chemistry UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Faculty of Chemistry UNAM Av.Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 FROM MEXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog:http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http: // www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Join the UNAM group on LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http ://www.isoc.org. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es http://www.lacralo.org http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (es) Translated by transbot 2.18-2.04 http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4c97156cbc.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
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