Re: [lac-discuss-en] Presidency of LACRALO
Dear Javier: Let not your heart be troubled. I know this is beginning to look like an old-fashioned claim to the throne of some minor European principality or worse, a bad episode of our regional national politics. But there is only one Chair of LACRALO and one legitimate claimant. The ALS have spoken and by their votes, that person is Andres Piazza. Kind regards, Carlton Samuels 2009/3/23 <"Javier Chandía Rojas - Presidente Internauta Chile"@ mm2.icann.org>
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Considered and considered
Not even a soap opera had been as dramatic as what there am been reading in mails that of one or another side has emerged. Lamentable this situation, lamentable that after living in Mexico days on work, conciliation, coexistence, are arrived at this. And I am not lawyer, I have my profession and work in something totally moved away of technological subject e Internet, and my work as President of Chile Internaut I make itin my time free, because he is not something that must deserve a remuneration, I do it because I like, because I have my clear convictions, because Ibelieve in it. And that is what I do not see here, because was a unique opportunity reuniting to us, and nothing in favor of the users of Internet took shape, not evenone alliance of collaboration between associations, only work groups in winch to the directives of Icann. (and they do not say me to that we were, because equal something could be done)
Now I am with two presidents of Lacralo. And it is not encouraging, we have been ourselves surrounded in mails for here and there,but it has not arisen nothing or nobody that puts full stop to this shameful situation. And if there is arisen, please they are clearer, since between the cluster of mails it is difficult to find it.
And I must recognize my position in favor of Sergio, by whom it is logical, he it has a vision focused in the end user of Internet, and that is what it is needed at the moment, a shift of paradigm. Separate encounter one lacks of respect that after so many days clarify a voting, not even a voting of president of a country is delayed so much. And please, to root of my position they are not going to leave an accumulation decrees, laws to favor or in against, it is only my opinion and my aspiration like a user of Internet, that is to say, to have a real representativeness in Icann.
Aside, inadequate encounter this: "its declaration gives a great one me preoccupation by its future like representative of LACRALO in ALAC ", has many forms to say it, but this was like very threatening.
Considered and considered, I do not know how it is going to finish this, worries to me like them I say mail being receiving of two presidents of LacRalo, beingthat one would have to only exist.
Atte.,
Javier Red Chandía President Internauta Chile Usuary treasurer Latin American Federation of Internet Director www.portalcoquimbo.cl Member Pulls Regional Digitalis Auditor
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Dear Sylvia.
Like said Carlton, its declaration gives a great preoccupation me by its future like representative of LACRALO in ALAC
Because in our load it is necessary to remember that we represented everything the ALS and we therefore needed to be objective.
I hope that you can clarify your mind and this is only an error shameful.
Respect
Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordova - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > date: Mon, the 23 Of March 2009 18:00:06 Of -0500 > of: carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm > a: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org > subject: Re: [ lacquer-discuss-lac-discuss-in ] Presidency of LACRALO > > Dear Sylvia: > I am scared that this declaration gives the great one me preoccupation queusted will be > was located to represent ALL the LACRALO in ALAC. For this case only, > I will give the advantage him of my doubt and will attribute to which you say like simple > ignorance of the process and not of result of its brotherly loop to > Internaut Argentina and saltmines I carry of Sergio. I trust that this hope that I have is > not betrayed > > please read the contour of the process of the selection as I described to another one of > its houses of Cristian of those in favor and who I trusted previous to this list. I > sees Jacqueline Morris, lately the ALAC chair, also has tried to fix > straight to him. If you still do not understand, I am certain Ashton-Ciervo of the notch or > any other mie! mbro of its equipment would be arranged to pass he with you > > would recommend highly that before you assume your responsibilities of ALAC, > you make more relative with the rules that govern LACRALO and how they > authorize his action like member of ALAC. I will say of the observation > to him his thats tightened of a ship is executed upon that way. And like ours representative of LACRALO, > would not personally wish for youthat > will harm deesta way > the best respect, > Carlton > > 2009/3/23 <sylvia@prontocl.com.br> > > > > > [ [ - - translated text (> is - >)--]] of in > > > > > subject: Presidency of LACRALO > > of: sylvia@prontocl.com.br > > > > > > > > Companions wanted: > > > > is with much consternation that I come accompanying in the formadiferida everything > > the E-maices of which it has been sent to list > lacquer-discusses (by some > strange reason that my email is not working and by esarazón I had! that > > registry to me > > again to the list with this! email of finished) > > > > I ask for excuses close not to have participated in teleconferencing passed > > of > > Lacralo, since I arrived from Mexico I is bringing since then updated > > work > > accumulated > > > > Friday in the morning that to the president of Lacralo I communicated, > > Sergio > > salt mines that I take, all the happened one in teleconferencing. > > > > which with not being understood it are like a taken decision and > > pronouncing inside > > the Assembly General, OF WHICH SHE IS SOVEREIGN, can be changed in simple > > teleconferencing without being able of the decision and the QUORUM andBY a PERSON > > WHO > > WENT FOR BEING A DAY 02/03/2009 OF THE AUTHORITY > > > > in date that day, Mr. Carlton is single more a member delandno of LACRALO > > an authority to the name and/or to dismiss anyone> > > > until now, them impulse to all to which they try to discredit ours > > sobera assembly! not (because in his majority they are lawyers and one > > assumes know> > law), to that they respect to institutions and they are validated which was > > determined inside > > General Assembly; who presides over our fine one is Mr.Sergiosalinos I > > takes > > > > we have much thing to do in the region; and open consolidation of > > the presents went to put itself stops to work > > > > we focus our energy in which consolidation and
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One Chair and one legitimate claimant? Thought there was 1 President (Andres) and no legitimate claimants. There's one claimant, but from all data - not legitimate. ;-) BTW - what's the deadline for nominations for Secretariat? Jacqueline Carlton Samuels wrote:
Dear Javier: Let not your heart be troubled. I know this is beginning to look like an old-fashioned claim to the throne of some minor European principality or worse, a bad episode of our regional national politics. But there is only one Chair of LACRALO and one legitimate claimant.
The ALS have spoken and by their votes, that person is Andres Piazza.
Kind regards, Carlton Samuels
2009/3/23 <"Javier Chandía Rojas - Presidente Internauta Chile"@ mm2.icann.org>
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Subject: Re: Presidency of LACRALO From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Javier_Chand=EDa_Rojas_-_Presidente_Internauta_Chile =
Considered and considered
Not even a soap opera had been as dramatic as what there am been reading in mails that of one or another side has emerged. Lamentable this situation, lamentable that after living in Mexico days on work, conciliation, coexistence, are arrived at this. And I am not lawyer, I have my profession and work in something totally moved away of technological subject e Internet, and my work as President of Chile Internaut I make itin my time free, because he is not something that must deserve a remuneration, I do it because I like, because I have my clear convictions, because Ibelieve in it. And that is what I do not see here, because was a unique opportunity reuniting to us, and nothing in favor of the users of Internet took shape, not evenone alliance of collaboration between associations, only work groups in winch to the directives of Icann. (and they do not say me to that we were, because equal something could be done)
Now I am with two presidents of Lacralo. And it is not encouraging, we have been ourselves surrounded in mails for here and there,but it has not arisen nothing or nobody that puts full stop to this shameful situation. And if there is arisen, please they are clearer, since between the cluster of mails it is difficult to find it.
And I must recognize my position in favor of Sergio, by whom it is logical, he it has a vision focused in the end user of Internet, and that is what it is needed at the moment, a shift of paradigm. Separate encounter one lacks of respect that after so many days clarify a voting, not even a voting of president of a country is delayed so much. And please, to root of my position they are not going to leave an accumulation decrees, laws to favor or in against, it is only my opinion and my aspiration like a user of Internet, that is to say, to have a real representativeness in Icann.
Aside, inadequate encounter this: "its declaration gives a great one me preoccupation by its future like representative of LACRALO in ALAC ", has many forms to say it, but this was like very threatening.
Considered and considered, I do not know how it is going to finish this, worries to me like them I say mail being receiving of two presidents of LacRalo, beingthat one would have to only exist.
Atte.,
Javier Red Chandía President Internauta Chile Usuary treasurer Latin American Federation of Internet Director www.portalcoquimbo.cl Member Pulls Regional Digitalis Auditor
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Subject: Re: Presidency of LACRALO Of: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com
Dear Sylvia.
Like said Carlton, its declaration gives a great preoccupation me by its future like representative of LACRALO in ALAC
Because in our load it is necessary to remember that we represented everything the ALS and we therefore needed to be objective.
I hope that you can clarify your mind and this is only an error shameful.
Respect
Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordova - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > date: Mon, the 23 Of March 2009 18:00:06 Of -0500 > of: carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm > a: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org > subject: Re: [ lacquer-discuss-lac-discuss-in ] Presidency of LACRALO > > Dear Sylvia: > I am scared that this declaration gives the great one me preoccupation queusted will be > was located to represent ALL the LACRALO in ALAC. For this case only, > I will give the advantage him of my doubt and will attribute to which you say like simple > ignorance of the process and not of result of its brotherly loop to > Internaut Argentina and saltmines I carry of Sergio. I trust that this hope that I have is > not betrayed > > please read the contour of the process of the selection as I described to another one of > its houses of Cristian of those in favor and who I trusted previous to this list. I > sees Jacqueline Morris, lately the ALAC chair, also has tried to fix > straight to him. If you still do not understand, I am certain Ashton-Ciervo of the notch or > any other mie! mbro of its equipment would be arranged to pass he with you > > would recommend highly that before you assume your responsibilities of ALAC, > you make more relative with the rules that govern LACRALO and how they > authorize his action like member of ALAC. I will say of the observation > to him his thats tightened of a ship is executed upon that way. And like ours representative of LACRALO, > would not personally wish for youthat > will harm deesta way > the best respect, > Carlton > > 2009/3/23 <sylvia@prontocl.com.br> > > > > > [ [ - - translated text (> is - >)--]] of in > > > > > subject: Presidency of LACRALO > > of: sylvia@prontocl.com.br > > > > > > > > Companions wanted: > > > > is with much consternation that I come accompanying in the formadiferida everything > > the E-maices of which it has been sent to list > lacquer-discusses (by some > strange reason that my email is not working and by esarazón I had! that > > registry to me > > again to the list with this! email of finished) > > > > I ask for excuses close not to have participated in teleconferencing passed > > of > > Lacralo, since I arrived from Mexico I is bringing since then updated > > work > > accumulated > > > > Friday in the morning that to the president of Lacralo I communicated, > > Sergio > > salt mines that I take, all the happened one in teleconferencing. > > > > which with not being understood it are like a taken decision and > > pronouncing inside > > the Assembly General, OF WHICH SHE IS SOVEREIGN, can be changed in simple > > teleconferencing without being able of the decision and the QUORUM andBY a PERSON > > WHO > > WENT FOR BEING A DAY 02/03/2009 OF THE AUTHORITY > > > > in date that day, Mr. Carlton is single more a member delandno of LACRALO > > an authority to the name and/or to dismiss anyone> > > > until now, them impulse to all to which they try to discredit ours > > sobera assembly! not (because in his majority they are lawyers and one > > assumes know> > law), to that they respect to institutions and they are validated which was > > determined inside > > General Assembly; who presides over our fine one is Mr.Sergiosalinos I > > takes > > > > we have much thing to do in the region; and open consolidation of > > the presents went to put itself stops to work > > > > we focus our energy in which consolidation and
occupies our small > time of volunteers to study the subjects of
the importance and of sending them > > users of the end ours regione in these subjects so that we > > pruned thus to take his voice until the highest spheres of ICANN. > > > > that is ours consolidation! > > > > we are going to respect it! > > > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > Internaut Of Brazil > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > > > > [ [ - - original text (it is) > > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/04d824å02.html<http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/04d824%C3%A502.html>>; > --]] > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > list that sends lacquer-discuss-lac-discuss-in > > lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > >
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Well, you're absolutely right! Deadline for nominations for Secretariat open on Thursday, 19th March and close this Thursday, 26th March at 1159 UT. Voting will be online and will last for one week from 0000 hours UT March 27 thru 1159 UT, April 3, 2009." Carlton On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris < jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:
One Chair and one legitimate claimant? Thought there was 1 President (Andres) and no legitimate claimants. There's one claimant, but from all data - not legitimate. ;-) BTW - what's the deadline for nominations for Secretariat? Jacqueline
Carlton Samuels wrote:
Dear Javier: Let not your heart be troubled. I know this is beginning to look like an old-fashioned claim to the throne of some minor European principality or worse, a bad episode of our regional national politics. But there is only one Chair of LACRALO and one legitimate claimant.
The ALS have spoken and by their votes, that person is Andres Piazza.
Kind regards, Carlton Samuels
2009/3/23 <"Javier Chandía Rojas - Presidente Internauta Chile"@ mm2.icann.org>
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Considered and considered
Not even a soap opera had been as dramatic as what there am been reading in mails that of one or another side has emerged. Lamentable this situation, lamentable that after living in Mexico days on work, conciliation, coexistence, are arrived at this. And I am not lawyer, I have my profession and work in something totally moved away of technological subject e Internet, and my work as President of Chile Internaut I make itin my time free, because he is not something that must deserve a remuneration, I do it because I like, because I have my clear convictions, because Ibelieve in it. And that is what I do not see here, because was a unique opportunity reuniting to us, and nothing in favor of the users of Internet took shape, not evenone alliance of collaboration between associations, only work groups in winch to the directives of Icann. (and they do not say me to that we were, because equal something could be done)
Now I am with two presidents of Lacralo. And it is not encouraging, we have been ourselves surrounded in mails for here and there,but it has not arisen nothing or nobody that puts full stop to this shameful situation. And if there is arisen, please they are clearer, since between the cluster of mails it is difficult to find it.
And I must recognize my position in favor of Sergio, by whom it is logical, he it has a vision focused in the end user of Internet, and that is what it is needed at the moment, a shift of paradigm. Separate encounter one lacks of respect that after so many days clarify a voting, not even a voting of president of a country is delayed so much. And please, to root of my position they are not going to leave an accumulation decrees, laws to favor or in against, it is only my opinion and my aspiration like a user of Internet, that is to say, to have a real representativeness in Icann.
Aside, inadequate encounter this: "its declaration gives a great one me preoccupation by its future like representative of LACRALO in ALAC ", has many forms to say it, but this was like very threatening.
Considered and considered, I do not know how it is going to finish this, worries to me like them I say mail being receiving of two presidents of LacRalo, beingthat one would have to only exist.
Atte.,
Javier Red Chandía President Internauta Chile Usuary treasurer Latin American Federation of Internet Director www.portalcoquimbo.cl Member Pulls Regional Digitalis Auditor
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Dear Sylvia.
Like said Carlton, its declaration gives a great preoccupation me by its future like representative of LACRALO in ALAC
Because in our load it is necessary to remember that we represented everything the ALS and we therefore needed to be objective.
I hope that you can clarify your mind and this is only an error shameful.
Respect
Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordova - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > date: Mon, the 23 Of March 2009 18:00:06 Of -0500 > of: carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm > a: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org > subject: Re: [ lacquer-discuss-lac-discuss-in ] Presidency of LACRALO > > Dear Sylvia: > I am scared that this declaration gives the great one me preoccupation queusted will be > was located to represent ALL the LACRALO in ALAC. For this case only, > I will give the advantage him of my doubt and will attribute to which you say like simple > ignorance of the process and not of result of its brotherly loop to > Internaut Argentina and saltmines I carry of Sergio. I trust that this hope that I have is > not betrayed > > please read the contour of the process of the selection as I described to another one of > its houses of Cristian of those in favor and who I trusted previous to this list. I > sees Jacqueline Morris, lately the ALAC chair, also has tried to fix > straight to him. If you still do not understand, I am certain Ashton-Ciervo of the notch or > any other mie! mbro of its equipment would be arranged to pass he with you > > would recommend highly that before you assume your responsibilities of ALAC, > you make more relative with the rules that govern LACRALO and how they > authorize his action like member of ALAC. I will say of the observation > to him his thats tightened of a ship is executed upon that way. And like ours representative of LACRALO, > would not personally wish for youthat > will harm deesta way > the best respect, > Carlton > > 2009/3/23 <sylvia@prontocl.com.br> > > > > > [ [ - - translated text (> is - >)--]] of in > > > > > subject: Presidency of LACRALO > > of: sylvia@prontocl.com.br > > > > > > > > Companions wanted: > > > > is with much consternation that I come accompanying in the formadiferida everything > > the E-maices of which it has been sent to list > lacquer-discusses (by some > strange reason that my email is not working and by esarazón I had! that > > registry to me > > again to the list with this! email of finished) > > > > I ask for excuses close not to have participated in teleconferencing passed > > of > > Lacralo, since I arrived from Mexico I is bringing since then updated > > work > > accumulated > > > > Friday in the morning that to the president of Lacralo I communicated, > > Sergio > > salt mines that I take, all the happened one in teleconferencing. > > > > which with not being understood it are like a taken decision and > > pronouncing inside > > the Assembly General, OF WHICH SHE IS SOVEREIGN, can be changed in simple > > teleconferencing without being able of the decision and the QUORUM andBY a PERSON > > WHO > > WENT FOR BEING A DAY 02/03/2009 OF THE AUTHORITY > > > > in date that day, Mr. Carlton is single more a member delandno of LACRALO > > an authority to the name and/or to dismiss anyone> > > > until now, them impulse to all to which they try to discredit ours > > sobera assembly! not (because in his majority they are lawyers and one > > assumes know> > law), to that they respect to institutions and they are validated which was > > determined inside > > General Assembly; who presides over our fine one is Mr.Sergiosalinos I > > takes > > > > we have much thing to do in the region; and open consolidation of > > the presents went to put itself stops to work > > > > we focus our energy in which consolidation and
occupies our small > time of volunteers to study the subjects of
the importance and of sending them > > users of the end ours regione in these subjects so that we > > pruned thus to take his voice until the highest spheres of ICANN. > > > > that is ours consolidation! > > > > we are going to respect it! > > > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > Internaut Of Brazil > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > > > > [ [ - - original text (it is) > > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/04d824å02.html<http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/04d824%C3%A502.html> <http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/04d824%C3%A502.html>>; > --]] > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > list that sends lacquer-discuss-lac-discuss-in > > lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > >
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