Re: [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil Internaut
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut From: eiriarte@alfa-redi.org Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from successive votings that they have to do with algun document or reference to requests of bottoms for trips. Kindly, Erick Iriarte Ahon Alfa-Redi http://www.alfa-redi.org AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in which we happen to substance subjects which they serve stops: > > 1, to begin to educate our community, that > to date does not know the real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); > > 2, to let appear more like scrounger > interested in boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in which we can > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our place to the table comes > of the recognition to the contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, as a result of the previous thing. > > Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the votes and emit! s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have a majority, like > so, and if no, under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of the same one that you detect. > > Warm greeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 >> From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> >> To: sylvia@internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists! .icann.org >> Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration B! razil In ternaut > > > > >> Sylvia Thanks, I am glad that that outside your >> answer. Not only by your own position but >> for the rest of the ALS, the summary he is very clarificador. >> Creo that LACRALO must support this >> statement and I would like that we pruned to do one >> informal voting in the list, that simply >> it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > >> Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with >> majority of you and I allow myself to say that this >> text of Cheryl, as Sylvia raises well, >> it reflects most of our positions. > > >> Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from >> he showed his intention that yesterday he is not >> exactly this something that clears time to us and >> effort. I did not listen to substantial objections this text. > > >> If it seems to them, we can have a consensus to support statement. You will say. > > >> Greetings > > >> A! ndrés Piazza >> President of LACRALO > > >>> From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org >>> To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:17 -0300 >>> Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > >>> Dear companions, > > > >>> In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send a declaration >>> explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > >>> is Here: > > > > > > > > > >>> Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning of the existence ofthe Thin ones has done and >>> continues making great investments to make participate and listen to the voice >>> of the End users of Internet. > > > >>> Also we know of the wonderful and untiring work that the president of >>> ALAC, Cheryl, comes making. > > > >>> Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was >>> the fear of the n! onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN in his!
>&g t; totality when these are made in our region. Since we considered of >>> vital importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of >>> factories that are organized, as well as of the Public Forum; being this the only one >>> opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > >>> and this fear is founded: > > > >>> 1) in the reality of year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his >>> General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including >>> in the budget of that year. > > > >>> 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, >>> http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guideline >>> s-27may09-en.pdf > > > >>> 3) and by vague commentary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him >>> I commented on our preoccupation in the sense that the representatives >>> of the single ALSs would have the opportunity to participate in the! Assemblies >>> General and not of the totality the meeting when these are made in >>> our region. As you can see in: >>> https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ >>> june_2009 > > > > > > > > > >>> Rereading the document >>> http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers >>>- 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points are being considered reason why >>> Brazil Internaut retires the abstention to the document showed yesterday, 15 of >>> June in the monthly teleconferencing of the LACRALO. And we supported the document >>> proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referring to >>> support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > > > > > > > >>> immediately, > > > >>> Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > >>> Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > &g t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ >> Stay up to dates on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Live Windows >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ >>_______________________________________________ >> list lac-discuss-is mailing >> lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > > >> http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > > http://www.lacralo.org
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I agree with both Erick and Alejandro on principle. But I part company as the facts dictate. Not only must we talk the talk but we have to walk the walk. In addition to the Travel Policy advisory, there is a raft of current policy advice developments in the At-Large. The staff has helpfully placed them in one place on a spreadsheet and included timelines for action. For example and in my view, the IRT Draft Report should be significant. No need to wait on the laggards. I invite all of my colleagues who are as weary of the sideshow as I am to demonstrate their disgust in a concrete way and give us your views on them. Take your pick. Carlton Samuels The University of the West Indies -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM, <eiriarte@alfa-redi.org> wrote:
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Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut From: eiriarte@alfa-redi.org
Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty
Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from successive votings that they have to do with algun document or reference to requests of bottoms for trips.
Kindly,
Erick Iriarte Ahon Alfa-Redi http://www.alfa-redi.org
AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in which we happen to substance subjects which they serve stops: > > 1, to begin to educate our community, that > to date does not know the real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); > > 2, to let appear more like scrounger > interested in boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in which we can > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our place to the table comes > of the recognition to the contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, as a result of the previous thing. > > Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the votes and emit!
s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have a majority, like > so, and if no, under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of the same one that you detect. > > Warm greeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 >> From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> >> To: sylvia@internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists!
.icann.org >> Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration B! razil In ternaut > > > > >> Sylvia Thanks, I am glad that that outside your >> answer. Not only by your own position but >> for the rest of the ALS, the summary he is very clarificador. >> Creo that LACRALO must support this >> statement and I would like that we pruned to do one >> informal voting in the list, that simply >> it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > >> Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with >> majority of you and I allow myself to say that this >> text of Cheryl, as Sylvia raises well, >> it reflects most of our positions. > > >> Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from >> he showed his intention that yesterday he is not >> exactly this something that clears time to us and >> effort. I did not listen to substantial objections this text. > > >> If it seems to them, we can have a consensus to support statement. You will say. > > >> Greetings > > >> A!
ndrés Piazza >> President of LACRALO > > >>> From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org >>> To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:17 -0300 >>> Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > >>> Dear companions, > > > >>> In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send a declaration >>> explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > >>> is Here: > > > > > > > > > >>> Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning of the existence ofthe Thin ones has done and >>> continues making great investments to make participate and listen to the voice >>> of the End users of Internet. > > > >>> Also we know of the wonderful and untiring work that the president of >>> ALAC, Cheryl, comes making. > > > >>> Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was >>> the fear of the n!
onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN in his! >>&g t; totality when these are made in our region. Since we considered of >>> vital importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of >>> factories that are organized, as well as of the Public Forum; being this the only one >>> opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > >>> and this fear is founded: > > > >>> 1) in the reality of year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his >>> General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including >>> in the budget of that year. > > > >>> 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, >>> http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guideline >>> s-27may09-en.pdf > > > >>> 3) and by vague commentary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him >>> I commented on our preoccupation in the sense that the representatives >>> of the single ALSs would have the opportunity to participate in the!
Assemblies >>> General and not of the totality the meeting when these are made in >>> our region. As you can see in: >>> https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ >>> june_2009 > > > > > > > > > >>> Rereading the document >>> http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers >>>- 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points are being considered reason why >>> Brazil Internaut retires the abstention to the document showed yesterday, 15 of >>> June in the monthly teleconferencing of the LACRALO. And we supported the document >>> proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referring to >>> support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > > > > > > > >>> immediately, > > > >>> Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > >>> Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > &g t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ >> Stay up to dates on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Live Windows >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ >>_______________________________________________ >> list lac-discuss-is mailing >> lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > > >> http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > > http://www.lacralo.org
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Carlton, shoot - dispara. Cualquiera es buena. Urge que empecemos. Alejandro Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:30:43 -0500 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm> To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, sylvia@internautabrasil.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil Internaut
I agree with both Erick and Alejandro on principle. But I part company as the facts dictate. Not only must we talk the talk but we have to walk the walk.
In addition to the Travel Policy advisory, there is a raft of current policy advice developments in the At-Large. The staff has helpfully placed them in one place on a spreadsheet and included timelines for action. For example and in my view, the IRT Draft Report should be significant.
No need to wait on the laggards. I invite all of my colleagues who are as weary of the sideshow as I am to demonstrate their disgust in a concrete way and give us your views on them. Take your pick.
Carlton Samuels The University of the West Indies --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM, <eiriarte@alfa-redi.org> wrote:
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Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut From: eiriarte@alfa-redi.org
Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty
Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from successive votings that they have to do with algun document or reference to requests of bottoms for trips.
Kindly,
Erick Iriarte Ahon Alfa-Redi http://www.alfa-redi.org
AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in which we happen to substance subjects which they serve stops: > > 1, to begin to educate our community, that > to date does not know the real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); > > 2, to let appear more like scrounger > interested in boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in which we can > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our place to the table comes > of the recognition to the contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, as a result of the previous thing. > > Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the votes and emit!
s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have a majority, like > so, and if no, under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of the same one that you detect. > > Warm greeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 >> From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> >> To: sylvia@internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists!
.icann.org >> Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration B! razil In ternaut > > > > >> Sylvia Thanks, I am glad that that outside your >> answer. Not only by your own position but >> for the rest of the ALS, the summary he is very clarificador. >> Creo that LACRALO must support this >> statement and I would like that we pruned to do one >> informal voting in the list, that simply >> it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > >> Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with >> majority of you and I allow myself to say that this >> text of Cheryl, as Sylvia raises well, >> it reflects most of our positions. > > >> Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from >> he showed his intention that yesterday he is not >> exactly this something that clears time to us and >> effort. I did not listen to substantial objections this text. > > >> If it seems to them, we can have a consensus to support statement. You will say. > > >> Greetings > > >> A!
ndrés Piazza >> President of LACRALO > > >>> From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org >>> To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:17 -0300 >>> Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > >>> Dear companions, > > > >>> In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send a declaration >>> explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > >>> is Here: > > > > > > > > > >>> Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning of the existence ofthe Thin ones has done and >>> continues making great investments to make participate and listen to the voice >>> of the End users of Internet. > > > >>> Also we know of the wonderful and untiring work that the president of >>> ALAC, Cheryl, comes making. > > > >>> Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was >>> the fear of the n!
onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN in his! >>&g t; totality when these are made in our region. Since we considered of >>> vital importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of >>> factories that are organized, as well as of the Public Forum; being this the only one >>> opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > >>> and this fear is founded: > > > >>> 1) in the reality of year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his >>> General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including >>> in the budget of that year. > > > >>> 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, >>> http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guideline >>> s-27may09-en.pdf > > > >>> 3) and by vague commentary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him >>> I commented on our preoccupation in the sense that the representatives >>> of the single ALSs would have the opportunity to participate in the!
Assemblies >>> General and not of the totality the meeting when these are made in >>> our region. As you can see in: >>> https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ >>> june_2009 > > > > > > > > > >>> Rereading the document >>> http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers >>>- 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points are being considered reason why >>> Brazil Internaut retires the abstention to the document showed yesterday, 15 of >>> June in the monthly teleconferencing of the LACRALO. And we supported the document >>> proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referring to >>> support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > > > > > > > >>> immediately, > > > >>> Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > >>> Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > &g t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ >> Stay up to dates on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Live Windows >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ >>_______________________________________________ >> list lac-discuss-is mailing >> lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > > >> http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > > http://www.lacralo.org
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