REMINDER: Motion of no confidence- Comments received until October 8th
Dear LACRALO members, This is reminder to provide comments on the LACRALO's Secretariat proposed way forward regarding the Motion of No confidence. The Secretariat has requested comment to be posted until October 08, 2015. SEE wiki : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137995 Next steps: "Resolved: The General Assembly shall demonstrate its lack of confidence in LACRALO leadership and shall vote on this motion. This motion shall be considered approved by the vote of a two-thirds majority of the ALSes' representatives present and voting." The discussion will be opened until 8 October 2015, 23:00". Thank you! Kind regards, Silvia Silvia Vivanco Manager, At Large Regional Affairs ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org> -----Original Message----- From: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Carrasco Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:27 PM To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Links related motion of no confidence Dear All, We uploaded all the documents in the following links: Motion of no confidence and others: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137985 Next steps: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137995 Regards _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
Thanks for the reminder Silvia, I've posted this comment on the wiki page. "The proposals by Humberto and Alberto in adding multiple motions for votes is calculated to frustrate the intent of the motion of no confidence and underscores the lack of accountability in the LACRALO leadership and the lack of redress in ICANN At-Large when the LACRALO leadership acts in a corrupt manner. There has been mention of extra-ordinary or special motions in LACRALO and this is false. There are only two types of motions in LACRALO : procedural and non-procedural. The motion of no confidence as raised by Carlton and seconded by others is a procedural one. It was filed before the 2nd election (of an LACRALO ALAC representative for 2015-2017) called by the LACRALO chair and secretariat and should have been heard immediately rather than the LACRALO chair and secretariat ignoring the motion to proceed with the 2nd election. As it was a procedural motion, a simple majority of the weighted vote (greater than 50%) of the ALSes present and voting is needed for the motion to pass, as per Rule 12.2. As such, the motion of no confidence in the LACRALO leadership as filed by Carlton (http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2015-September/01343...) is the only motion that needs to be heard and voted on. " Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Silvia Vivanco <silvia.vivanco@icann.org> wrote:
Dear LACRALO members,
This is reminder to provide comments on the LACRALO's Secretariat proposed way forward regarding the Motion of No confidence.
The Secretariat has requested comment to be posted until October 08, 2015.
SEE wiki : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137995
Next steps:
"Resolved:
The General Assembly shall demonstrate its lack of confidence in LACRALO leadership and shall vote on this motion. This motion shall be considered approved by the vote of a two-thirds majority of the ALSes' representatives present and voting." The discussion will be opened until 8 October 2015, 23:00".
Thank you!
Kind regards,
Silvia
Silvia Vivanco Manager, At Large Regional Affairs ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers www.icann.org
-----Original Message----- From: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Carrasco Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:27 PM To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Links related motion of no confidence
Dear All,
We uploaded all the documents in the following links:
Motion of no confidence and others:
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137985
Next steps:
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137995
Regards
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
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Reading Dev’s comment and the motion itself, the last has an incorrect state about the approval calculation. My suggestion is to correct it,considering Dev is right, before ir proceed to be voted to avoid further problems. Best to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. On 10/5/15, 22:17, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the reminder Silvia, I've posted this comment on the wiki page.
"The proposals by Humberto and Alberto in adding multiple motions for votes is calculated to frustrate the intent of the motion of no confidence and underscores the lack of accountability in the LACRALO leadership and the lack of redress in ICANN At-Large when the LACRALO leadership acts in a corrupt manner.
There has been mention of extra-ordinary or special motions in LACRALO and this is false.
There are only two types of motions in LACRALO : procedural and non-procedural.
The motion of no confidence as raised by Carlton and seconded by others is a procedural one.
It was filed before the 2nd election (of an LACRALO ALAC representative for 2015-2017) called by the LACRALO chair and secretariat and should have been heard immediately rather than the LACRALO chair and secretariat ignoring the motion to proceed with the 2nd election.
As it was a procedural motion, a simple majority of the weighted vote (greater than 50%) of the ALSes present and voting is needed for the motion to pass, as per Rule 12.2.
As such, the motion of no confidence in the LACRALO leadership as filed by Carlton (http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2015-September/01343...) is the only motion that needs to be heard and voted on. "
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Silvia Vivanco <silvia.vivanco@icann.org> wrote:
Dear LACRALO members,
This is reminder to provide comments on the LACRALO's Secretariat proposed way forward regarding the Motion of No confidence.
The Secretariat has requested comment to be posted until October 08, 2015.
SEE wiki : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137995
Next steps:
"Resolved:
The General Assembly shall demonstrate its lack of confidence in LACRALO leadership and shall vote on this motion. This motion shall be considered approved by the vote of a two-thirds majority of the ALSes' representatives present and voting." The discussion will be opened until 8 October 2015, 23:00".
Thank you!
Kind regards,
Silvia
Silvia Vivanco Manager, At Large Regional Affairs ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers www.icann.org
-----Original Message----- From: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Carrasco Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:27 PM To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Links related motion of no confidence
Dear All,
We uploaded all the documents in the following links:
Motion of no confidence and others:
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137985
Next steps:
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137995
Regards
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
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Dear Vanda: Its not just that a mistake was made. What is more troubling is this bald attempt to outlaw thousands of years of mathematical genius, beginning with the Arabs. The 100% vote is spread across all countries with ALS. There are 20 countries with ALS. Each country is allotted 5% of the vote, that is 100% divided by 20. The rule mimics the 'one country, one vote' of the UNGA. And it makes every country, from Brazil to Jamaica, of equal stature in the LACRALO GA on a vote. Every ALS in every country has the same portion of the vote allotted to their country of domicile. This makes every ALS a protected class in every country; they can vote their share of their country's vote independent of all others in their own country. Let's take the case of Brazil. Each of its 4 ALS is allotted and exercise 1.25% of the 5% vote allotted to Brazil. You would have to persuade 3 other ALS leaders to vote YOUR conscience to commit all of that 5% to any one candidate. That is, convince Aislan Vargas, Aylne Andrade and Silvia Herlein Leite to vote as you would vote. See it here: http://bit.ly/lacralo-dashboard I suspect any Brazilian ALS would be just as zealous of their share of the Brazil country vote as the UWI is of our share of the Jamaica country vote. Here's another thing, its significance tend to miss some of our members. Each ALS is given its own credentials which is used to track the vote and its origination to an IP address. We don't have a roll call online. And proxy voting is not allowed for online votes. That is because by virtue of issuing credentials without a bounce, ALL ALS are deemed present for an online vote. The total vote for any candidate in any election is the SUM - meaning adding fraction+fraction+fraction - of each fraction of the country vote allotted each ALS that voted for that candidate. The fraction is already expressed in percentage. So the majority - 50% +1% - is the threshold for winning. This is really not rocket science and nothing any of us should have to explain. Or worse, be asked to defend the math! Unless, of course there are other motives at play. I explained the math to my 3 year old grand daughter and she gets it. And, she was annoyed at the time on account my wi-fi was not working properly. This simple fact has frustrated attempts to capture the LACRALO vote before now. We have even seen a barefaced proposal to remove the weighted vote in LACRALO voting mechanisms. We shall never allow that to go unchallenged. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@uol.com.br> wrote:
Reading Dev’s comment and the motion itself, the last has an incorrect state about the approval calculation. My suggestion is to correct it,considering Dev is right, before ir proceed to be voted to avoid further problems. Best to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos.
On 10/5/15, 22:17, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" < lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
SEE wiki :
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137995
Next steps:
"Resolved:
The General Assembly shall demonstrate its lack of confidence in LACRALO leadership and shall vote on this motion. This motion shall be
considered
approved by the vote of a two-thirds majority of the ALSes' representatives present and voting." The discussion will be opened until 8 October 2015, 23:00".
Thank you!
Kind regards,
Silvia
Silvia Vivanco Manager, At Large Regional Affairs ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers www.icann.org
-----Original Message----- From: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Carrasco Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:27 PM To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Links related motion of no confidence
Dear All,
We uploaded all the documents in the following links:
Motion of no confidence and others:
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137985
Next steps:
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56137995
Regards
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
Thanks for the reminder Silvia, I've posted this comment on the wiki page.
"The proposals by Humberto and Alberto in adding multiple motions for votes is calculated to frustrate the intent of the motion of no confidence and underscores the lack of accountability in the LACRALO leadership and the lack of redress in ICANN At-Large when the LACRALO leadership acts in a corrupt manner.
There has been mention of extra-ordinary or special motions in LACRALO and this is false.
There are only two types of motions in LACRALO : procedural and non-procedural.
The motion of no confidence as raised by Carlton and seconded by others is a procedural one.
It was filed before the 2nd election (of an LACRALO ALAC representative for 2015-2017) called by the LACRALO chair and secretariat and should have been heard immediately rather than the LACRALO chair and secretariat ignoring the motion to proceed with the 2nd election.
As it was a procedural motion, a simple majority of the weighted vote (greater than 50%) of the ALSes present and voting is needed for the motion to pass, as per Rule 12.2.
As such, the motion of no confidence in the LACRALO leadership as filed by Carlton ( http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2015-September/01343... ) is the only motion that needs to be heard and voted on. "
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Silvia Vivanco <silvia.vivanco@icann.org> wrote:
Dear LACRALO members,
This is reminder to provide comments on the LACRALO's Secretariat proposed way forward regarding the Motion of No confidence.
The Secretariat has requested comment to be posted until October 08,
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
participants (4)
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Carlton Samuels -
Dev Anand Teelucksingh -
Silvia Vivanco -
Vanda Scartezini