Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Announcement - LACRALO Secretariat elect- election 2023
[[-- Sorry, this message could not be translated. --]] Coincido con Carlton, las elecciones deben de ser a mano alzada, como si fuese una votación en una asamblea Saludos cordiales *Sergio Salinas Porto**Presidente Internauta Argentina - LACRALO/ICANN <https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/lacralo>**Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>/FeTIA <http://www.fetia.org.ar/>**FUILAC- Federación de Usuarios de Internet de LAC <https://fuilac.org>**facebook: salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> **twitter: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>**Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819**"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan nuestra * * conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano* El sáb, 27 may 2023 a las 14:58, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> escribió:
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Dear Staff:
A secret ballot is a change in the procedure for LACRALO. There cannot be a secret vote in LACRALO.
The central idea is for decision by consensus. And every other thing follows from this principle.
A vote event is considered a general assembly. In a face-to-face assembly, the entire membership will see who is nominated and who votes.
It is also the right of every member to directly audit any vote. This is especially significant in a process with weighted votes.
So with respect, LACLARO may not have a secret ballot or vote.
Best, Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 17:01, Staff @ AtLarge <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
*EN: *
Dear all,
The Secretary Elect vote 2023 has closed. The results of the vote are quorate, having participated in the vote more than 50% of LACRALO ALS (46 ALS).
On behalf of Augusto Ho, LACRALO's Chair and Claire Craig, LACRALO Secretariat, we are pleased to announce the following candidate has been elected by vote in 2023:
*Sandra Rodriguez* , LACRALO Secretariat Elect (Term: AGM 2023 - AGM 2025; designated by elections )
*2023 LACRALO Secretariat Elect - Results *
*Election*
*Options *
*Sum of weighted votes *
*% of weighted Votes*
*number of voters*
*% of voters *
1
Sandra Rodriguez
46.012
68.82%
33
71.74%
2
Jan Alvarado
21.164
30.28%
10
21.74%
3
Abstain
2.727
3.90%
3
6.52%
*To access the poll data see : https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3 [tally.icann.org] < https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3... *
*Participants in LACRALO Elections ALS 2023 : LACRALO Voting weights 2023 /LACRALO Voto ponderado 2023 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=240617564>*
*Explanation: *
In these votes, electorates can only choose one candidate, or to abstain. The vote electorate is anonymous.
All results have been posted on the wiki page 2023 LACRALO Regional Selections < https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2023+LACRALO+Regional+Selections
At-Large staff would like to congratulate Sandra Rodriguez !
Kind Regards,
At-Large Staff
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Dear All, I also concur with Carlton's analysis. However the Tally vote summary at https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3 highlights very serious issues in how the vote was done. Instead of the expected 3 vote options, there were 6 vote options, with 3 vote options in English and 3 vote options duplicated in Spanish. The vote summary showed that several people voted for two options while some (like me) voted for only one option. Having 6 vote options with 3 duplicate options raises several concerns : - Because some persons voted twice, the summary totals provided by Tally are misleading because these are not unique count totals. - If someone had voted for two completely different options (e.g. for a candidate and then an abstain option or for two different candidates), how would this be handled? - More critically, were the vote weights calculated correctly if a person only voted one option or if a person voted two options ? Having multiple duplicate options only serves to undermine the confidence of the vote and underscores the need to have open votes so that voting is transparent and auditable. Any vote should only have unique, distinct options and never duplicates. Furthermore, Tally was either configured to allow (or Tally is unable to prevent) persons to vote multiple times. There is mention in the summary that such votes are noted as duplicated (and hopefully discarded) but multiple votes using the same ID should not be allowed at all. Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at https://ttcs.tt On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 10:38 AM <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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Coincido con Carlton, las elecciones deben de ser a mano alzada, como si fuese una votación en una asamblea Saludos cordiales
*Sergio Salinas Porto**Presidente Internauta Argentina - LACRALO/ICANN <https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/lacralo>**Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>/FeTIA <http://www.fetia.org.ar/>**FUILAC- Federación de Usuarios de Internet de LAC <https://fuilac.org>**facebook: salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> **twitter: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>**Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819**"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan nuestra *
* conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano*
El sáb, 27 may 2023 a las 14:58, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> escribió:
[[-- Sorry, this message could not be translated. --]]
Dear Staff:
A secret ballot is a change in the procedure for LACRALO. There cannot be a secret vote in LACRALO.
The central idea is for decision by consensus. And every other thing follows from this principle.
A vote event is considered a general assembly. In a face-to-face assembly, the entire membership will see who is nominated and who votes.
It is also the right of every member to directly audit any vote. This is especially significant in a process with weighted votes.
So with respect, LACLARO may not have a secret ballot or vote.
Best, Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 17:01, Staff @ AtLarge <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
*EN: *
Dear all,
The Secretary Elect vote 2023 has closed. The results of the vote are quorate, having participated in the vote more than 50% of LACRALO ALS (46 ALS).
On behalf of Augusto Ho, LACRALO's Chair and Claire Craig, LACRALO Secretariat, we are pleased to announce the following candidate has been elected by vote in 2023:
*Sandra Rodriguez* , LACRALO Secretariat Elect (Term: AGM 2023 - AGM 2025; designated by elections )
*2023 LACRALO Secretariat Elect - Results *
*Election*
*Options *
*Sum of weighted votes *
*% of weighted Votes*
*number of voters*
*% of voters *
1
Sandra Rodriguez
46.012
68.82%
33
71.74%
2
Jan Alvarado
21.164
30.28%
10
21.74%
3
Abstain
2.727
3.90%
3
6.52%
*To access the poll data see : https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3 [tally.icann.org] <
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3...
*
*Participants in LACRALO Elections ALS 2023 : LACRALO Voting weights 2023 /LACRALO Voto ponderado 2023 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=240617564>*
*Explanation: *
In these votes, electorates can only choose one candidate, or to abstain. The vote electorate is anonymous.
All results have been posted on the wiki page 2023 LACRALO Regional Selections <
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2023+LACRALO+Regional+Selections
At-Large staff would like to congratulate Sandra Rodriguez !
Kind Regards,
At-Large Staff
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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Dear All, Dev and details go hand in hand so I defer to his expertise and wholly support his analysis, conclusion and recommendations. While we are here, take notice that I shall seek amendment to the 2020 version of the LACRALO RoP, specifically to *Title IV Section 13* to strike out and remove the reference* "**there will always be an option to vote anonymously."* I have already given the reasons why the secret vote is untenable and cannot be applied in advancing the end user interests in LACRALO's processes pursuant to ICANN's names policy development and implementation. Ditto the anonymous vote. Qualification to vote requires unerring identification. Thus a qualified anonymous vote, in either the face to face or virtual mode is, well, counterintuitive. There is also an internal inconsistency in the logic of Title IV. Anonymity is a mortal blow to the transparency principle to which the clause is subscribed. Carlton Samuels The University of the West Indies ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 14:17, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I also concur with Carlton's analysis. However the Tally vote summary at https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3 highlights very serious issues in how the vote was done.
Instead of the expected 3 vote options, there were 6 vote options, with 3 vote options in English and 3 vote options duplicated in Spanish.
The vote summary showed that several people voted for two options while some (like me) voted for only one option.
Having 6 vote options with 3 duplicate options raises several concerns : - Because some persons voted twice, the summary totals provided by Tally are misleading because these are not unique count totals. - If someone had voted for two completely different options (e.g. for a candidate and then an abstain option or for two different candidates), how would this be handled? - More critically, were the vote weights calculated correctly if a person only voted one option or if a person voted two options ?
Having multiple duplicate options only serves to undermine the confidence of the vote and underscores the need to have open votes so that voting is transparent and auditable.
Any vote should only have unique, distinct options and never duplicates.
Furthermore, Tally was either configured to allow (or Tally is unable to prevent) persons to vote multiple times. There is mention in the summary that such votes are noted as duplicated (and hopefully discarded) but multiple votes using the same ID should not be allowed at all.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at https://ttcs.tt
On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 10:38 AM <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
[[-- Sorry, this message could not be translated. --]]
Coincido con Carlton, las elecciones deben de ser a mano alzada, como si fuese una votación en una asamblea Saludos cordiales
*Sergio Salinas Porto**Presidente Internauta Argentina - LACRALO/ICANN <https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/lacralo>**Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>/FeTIA <http://www.fetia.org.ar/>**FUILAC- Federación de Usuarios de Internet de LAC <https://fuilac.org>**facebook: salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> **twitter: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>**Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819**"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan nuestra *
* conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano*
El sáb, 27 may 2023 a las 14:58, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> escribió:
[[-- Sorry, this message could not be translated. --]]
Dear Staff:
A secret ballot is a change in the procedure for LACRALO. There cannot be a secret vote in LACRALO.
The central idea is for decision by consensus. And every other thing follows from this principle.
A vote event is considered a general assembly. In a face-to-face assembly, the entire membership will see who is nominated and who votes.
It is also the right of every member to directly audit any vote. This is especially significant in a process with weighted votes.
So with respect, LACLARO may not have a secret ballot or vote.
Best, Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 17:01, Staff @ AtLarge <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
*EN: *
Dear all,
The Secretary Elect vote 2023 has closed. The results of the vote are quorate, having participated in the vote more than 50% of LACRALO ALS (46 ALS).
On behalf of Augusto Ho, LACRALO's Chair and Claire Craig, LACRALO Secretariat, we are pleased to announce the following candidate has been elected by vote in 2023:
*Sandra Rodriguez* , LACRALO Secretariat Elect (Term: AGM 2023 - AGM 2025; designated by elections )
*2023 LACRALO Secretariat Elect - Results *
*Election*
*Options *
*Sum of weighted votes *
*% of weighted Votes*
*number of voters*
*% of voters *
1
Sandra Rodriguez
46.012
68.82%
33
71.74%
2
Jan Alvarado
21.164
30.28%
10
21.74%
3
Abstain
2.727
3.90%
3
6.52%
*To access the poll data see : https://tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3 [tally.icann.org ] <
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tally.icann.org/cgi/results?e=be9dd5eafc3...
*
*Participants in LACRALO Elections ALS 2023 : LACRALO Voting weights 2023 /LACRALO Voto ponderado 2023 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=240617564>*
*Explanation: *
In these votes, electorates can only choose one candidate, or to abstain. The vote electorate is anonymous.
All results have been posted on the wiki page 2023 LACRALO Regional Selections <
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2023+LACRALO+Regional+Selections
At-Large staff would like to congratulate Sandra Rodriguez !
Kind Regards,
At-Large Staff
ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
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