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[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject:? = Iso-8859-1 RES = q = F3n_de_ACUI_so 3A__Comunicaci = q = iso-8859-1 bre_la_solicitud_de_Internauta_Colombia-_AYUDA_DE_I = q = iso-8859-1 NTERPRETACION_DE_REGLAS_VEA_DOCUMENTO_ADJUNTO =???? From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org According to Carlos! Sylvia ___________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein Leite sylvia@internautabrasil.org ALAC LACRALO-Delegate to NomComm 2014-2015 Secretary FLUI 2009-2015 ex - Secretary-LACRALO ICANN / 2012-2014 ALAC former Member 2009-2011 - http://atlarge.icann.org Skype: sylvia_leite ----- Mensagem Original ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome of Carlos Vera Quintana Em Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:30 To: Fatima Cambronero Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; LACRALO Espaol Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Communication from ACUI on request Colombia Internauta HELP RULES INTERPRETATION OF VIEW ATTACHMENT Dear Silvia seems excellent input and explanations we brindas. It is essential to level the access to information that we all have. What makes Fatima is precisely and exactly what I see does the staff so I see no place for his observation in any expression of Silvia see the hint minimum leaving strict supporting role. The contribution of Silvia on rules for me has been to substantially Discussion and support of our request to stay on that line contributor. Discussion of decision remains in the community and has always been. Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Sguemecveraq > El 24/9/2014, a las 23:34, Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com> > > Querida Silvia, > > > Te agradezco enormemente tu colaboración en este asunto y en muchos > otros, ya que siempre estás bien predispuesta para colaborar con nuestro > Personalmente lo valoro muchísimo. > > > Sin embargo permíteme hacer dos aclaraciones: aunque en el fondo las > dos versiones digan algo similar, no es correcto que te sigas > refiriendo a reglas que ya no están más vigentes porque hay una > versión nueva que es la versión vigente y la que actualmente se > aplica. Las guidelines en las que te basas ya no están más vigentes, > aunque, repito, en el fondo no se haya cambiado lo sustancial. Hay > reglas de ALAC nuevas del 2013 y tenemos que basarnos en dichas reglas. > > > En segundo lugar, vuelvo a agradecer tu trabajo en acercarnos material > que quizás no estábamos teniendo en cuenta, pero el rol del Staff se > limita a eso y allí se termina. El Staff no puede intervenir en las > discusiones sustanciales que tenga la comunidad y en los criterios que > la comunidad quiera valorizar más frente a otros (dentro de los > requisitos establecidos obviamente). Debe quedar perfectamente claro > el rol de la comunidad en las discusiones y decisiones que tome, y el > rol del Staff en servir a dicha comunidad y nada más. No debe > sembrarse ninguna duda en cuanto a los roles de cada uno. Por lo tanto > respetuosamente solicito que de aquí en más las discusiones sobre si > el consejo regional debe ser a favor o no de aceptar a Internauta > Colombia como ALS acreditada se den dentro del ámbito de la comunidad > y que el Staff se ocupe de la due dilligence conforme a los procesos que > > > Nuevamente muchas gracias. > > > Saludos cordiales, > > Fatima Cambronero > > El 25 de septiembre de 2014, 0:37, Silvia Vivanco > <silvia.vivanco@icann.org> > escribió: > >> >> >> Estimada Fatima, >> >> >> >> *Permiteme aclarar lo siguiente : El criterio mínimo para evaluar las >> solicitudes para ALS no ha cambiado *(por favor véase el cuadro >> comparativo abajo ) Noto que en la versión en inglés solo se ha >> cambiado la palabra "constituted" por "organized". Ademas Por favor >> tómese en cuenta lo siguiente: >> >> >> >> >> >> *"Any change to the Minimum Criteria would require ICANN Board assent >> before the modifications can be brought into force, which itself >> would also require a public comment period".* >> >> >> >> Por ello las guías que he adjuntado (documento ALAC/2007/SD/2.Rev7. DATE: >> 23rd July 2007) siguen siendo válidas, por ello staff continua >> refiriéndose a ellas como guía cuando se conducen "Due diligence". >> >> >> >> Por favor también leer el siguiente párrafo del citado documento >> *que no contradice lo que mencionas*, que es que la organización *no >> tiene que estar legalmente constituida*. Ese fue precisamente el >> objetivo de compartir este documento con ustedes. El documento >> "guidelines" dice lo >> siguiente: >> >> >> >> >> >> *Second Criterion* >> >> *The second criterion, as agreed with the board, is as follows in >> black >> text:* >> >> 2. Be constituted so that participation by individual Internet users >> who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic >> Region in which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' >> operation. The ALS may permit additional participation by others that >> is compatible with the interests of the individual Internet users within >> >> >> * >> The guidelines for evaluation of whether or not an Applicant fulfils This criterion >> are as Follows. * >> Guidelines >> * Relevant to All Applicants: * >> >> >> 1 >> There is * no * requirement That an organization be legally Constituted >>, or Otherwise, or of any special structure, excepting Otherwise as provided in >> in Original Guidelines. >> Translation An >> Espaol: * There is no requirement that an organization this Legally constituted >> * or having a particular structure, Gua >> except this otherwise. >> >> >> >> In short, we are saying the same thing, I've wanted to support >> With the guidelines document * ie * no requirement that ALS estconstituida >> legally, I do not come before under the old Rules >> and there is not now either. >> >> >> >> >> * >> Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure: * >> >> >> >> >> * NEW ALAC >> RULES >> ALAC >> OLD RULES * >> Commit to supporting >> 1 Individual Internet users' informed Participation in ICANN by >> distributing to single Constituents >> / members ICANN Relevant information on activities and >> Issues, Offering Internet-based-mechanisms enable discussions of That One or more >> of These activities and issues Among Individual Constituents >> / members, and Involving Individual Constituents / members ICANN >> in relevant policy development, discussions and decisions. >> >> "1.Commit to supporting single Internet users' informed Participation in >> >> By distributing to ICANN >> Individual Constituents / members information On >> >> ICANN >> Relevant activities and issues, Offering Internet-based -Mechanisms >> >> That >> enable discussions of one or more of These activities and issues >> Among >> Individual Constituents / members, and Involving Individual >> Constituents >> / members in relevant ICANN policy development, Discussions >> >> >> And decisions. >> 2 Be * >> * So THAT Organized Individual participation by Internet users Citizens who are >> or residents of countries Within the Geographic Which >> Region in the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS ' >> Operation. The ALS May permit additional participation by others That Is >> Compatible with the interests of the Individual Internet users Within the region. >> >> >> Be Constituted * >> * So THAT Individual participation by Internet users Who are >> >> Citizens or residents >> of countries Within the Geographic Region in Which >> >> ALS is based >> the will predominate in the ALS 'operation. The ALS May >> Additional >> permit participation by others That is Compatible with the >> Individual >> interests of the Internet users Within the region. >> 3 >> Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding). >> 3 >> Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding). >> 4 >> Post on the Internet (on the ALAC's website or elsewhere) >> Publicly-accessible, current information about the ALS's goals, >> Structure, description of constituent group (s) / membership, working >>-Mechanisms, leadership, and contact (s). >> >> >> >> 4.Post on the Internet (on the ALAC's website or elsewhere) publicly >> Accessible, >> Current >> information about the ALS's goals, structure, description of >> Constituent group (s) / membership, working-mechanisms, >> >> Leadership, and contact (s). >> THIN >> 5 Assist in performing the STI function. >> >> >> THIN >> 5 Assist in performing the STI function. " >> >> >> >> >> >> To answer your question regarding who uses the staff rules, the Minimum criterion for evaluating >> Alses used by staff is the 2013 Which has not changed >> the above criteria. >> >> >> For any further questions >> I remain at your Disposition, >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Silvia >> >> >> >> >> >> Silvia Vivanco >> >> >> Manager, At Large Regional Affairs >> >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers >> Www.icann.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * From: * Alberto Soto [mailto: asoto@ibero-americano.org] >> * Sent: * Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:07 PM >> * To: * 'Fatima Cambronero'; Silvia Vivanco >> * Cc: * 'JosFrancisco Arce'; ICANN At-Large Staff; 'LACRALO Espaol' * >> Subject: * RE: [lac-discuss-es] on the Communication of ACUI Colombia >> request Internauta HELP RULES INTERPRETATION SEE ATTACHMENT >> >> >> >> Ftima >> Thanks for your excellent contribution. Just add it to the wiki. >> >> To all, I ask you to please do everything to Travs wiki. Yes The wiki >> not exist, and now member wishes sb Join the discussion >> must search all previous messages then do it. >> >> In the wiki you can follow the whole thread ningn without losing detail. In the It was already established >> no need for statutes legally >> Approved by local authority. >> Best regards >> >> >> >> Alberto Soto >> >> >> >> >> * From: * Fatima Cambronero [mailto: fatimacambronero@gmail.com >> <fatimacambronero@gmail.com> ] >> * Sent: * Wednesdays, September 24, 2014 8:55 pm >> * To: * Silvia Vivanco * >> CC: * JosFrancisco Arce; Alberto Soto; ICANN At-Large Staff; LACRALO Espaol >> >> * Subject: * Re: [lac-discuss-es] on the Communication of ACUI Colombia >> request Internauta HELP RULES INTERPRETATION SEE ATTACHMENT >> >> >> >> Dear >> / os, >> >> Silvia, thank you very much for your intentions to collaborate with LACRALO >> In this discussion that estllevando below. >> >> >> However, unfortunately, the information we share no >> Is correct. >> ALAC >> has modified its rules of procedure last year. The Rules of procedure >> ALAC numbers are from April 2013 and >> Be found on this link: >> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2262672/ALAC%2BRoP-0 6April2013.pdf >>? Version = 1 & modificationDate = 1378914284000 & api = v2 >> These rules >> number 15 in dealing with At-Large Structures and Envan >> Annex on "Framework of At-Large Structures". >> The link to the >> frame ALS is Annex 4 and is in This >> >> Link: >> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2262672/Adjunct-04-A >> LS-Framework-For-19Jun2013% 20Approval.pdf? Version = 1 & modificationDate = >> Api = 1372720787000 & v2 >> >> This framework establishes requirements for consituirse as ALS and >> Procedure to be performed for such Accreditation (including >> The steps to accomplish the organization, the Secretariat of the THIN and Staff >> the At-Large, which is what makes the Due Diligence). >> >> >> In section >> Minimum Requirements for about ALS, ALAC in this Modificacina >> its rules, eliminated the point relative to the NO >> Need for organizations applying to be ESTN ALS certified >> ESTN legally constituted. >> Ie >> now ALAC rules say nothing about whether a Organization that wants >> credited as ALS must be incorporated >> Legally or not.Therefore, it is clear that neither can LACRALO >> Require it as a mandatory requirement that the organization is Legally constituted >>. >> Also >> it seems important to note that the rules of ALAC >> procedure, any of its points must arise to ALAC >> Necessarily follow the regional council. In practice, to Each >> application of an organization that claims to be accredited as >> ALS, there is no regional or council, in carrying out a Voting ALAC >> to not certify or organization such as ALS. And some And >> important about that now estdiscutiendo ALAC: the >> Feedback of ALAC in these cases, are joint-stock. No >> Can tell if a member of ALAC votpara or not to accredit the >> Organization. Some members of ALAC disagree with that Asy >> remains that we have spoken out in favor of voting in the votcada know how ALAC member in these cases. >> This still has not been resolved and the reunin seguirdiscutiendo ICANN >> Los Angeles. >> Now >> about this particular case we are analyzing, I Antonio >> would like to ask you to please us and explain explaye >> Situation regarding the use of the name you mentioned, so that More information >> then the THIN can give your regional council. >> Thanks in advance, Antonio. >> Silvia >> a query regarding this confusion of rules ALAC >> procedure in force, the due dilligence of ltimas >> Organizations that have applied for accreditation as ALS, has I >> made based on the rules of 2013, right? >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> Best regards, >> Fatima Cambronero >> >> >> >> >> >> The >> September 24, 2014, 19:38, Silvia Vivanco < Silvia.vivanco@icann.org >>> wrote: >> Dear members of LACRALO >> >> >> Please see the document below. I have attached the version in English. >> >> >> ALAC >> / 2007 / SD / 2.Rev7. DATE: 23rd July 2007 >> >> >> Second Criterion >> The second criterion >>, as Agreed With the board, is as Follows in Black >> >> Text: Be Constituted 2 >> So THAT Individual participation by Internet users Citizens who are >> or residents of countries Within the Geographic Which >> Region in the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS ' >> Operation. The ALS May permit additional participation by others That Is >> Compatible with the interests of the Individual Internet users Within the region. >> The guidelines for evaluation of whether or not an Applicant fulfils This criterion >> are as Follows. Guidelines >> Relevant to All Applicants: 1 There is no >> requirement That an organization be legally Constituted >>, or Otherwise, or of any special structure, excepting Otherwise as provided in >> in Original Guidelines. >> >> >> >> >> I hope this document will help them clarify doubts. >> Best regards >> >> Silvia >> >> >> Silvia Vivanco >> >> Manager, At Large Regional Affairs >> ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers Www.icann.org >> <http://www.icann.org> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: >> Lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jos Francisco Arce >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:03 PM >> To: Alberto Soto >> Cc: LACRALO Espaol >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Communication on the application of ACUI Internauta Colombia >> >> Dear >>, >> >> My opinion: Antonio >> I think not object. It only rhetorically asked whether being Constiruido >> is legally necessary and sufficient condition for proof. Amen >> have some that are not, I think it should be discussed and Analyzed in the region >> we want now and for the future. >> I think we should view the particular case, but it would be very good That formality >> exists. Antonio >> Thanks for taking the trouble to find in organisms Corresponding >> this information. >> Greetings >> >> Jose >> The >> Sep 24, 2014 6:48 PM, "Alberto Soto" <asoto@ibero-americano.org >> <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > >> I wrote: >> Is >>> what I am asking Antonio. Best regards >>> >>> Alberto Soto >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch [mailto: apisan@unam.mx] Sent: >>> Wednesdays, September 24, 2014 6:51 pm >>> To: Alberto Soto; 'Antonio Gómez Medina'; 'LACRALO Espaol'; >>> 'Humberto Carrasco' >>> Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-es] Communication on the application of ACUI Colombia Internauta >>> >>> Alberto >>> Antonio, >>> But see ... >>> understand qunos says Antonio first.EST Objecting to the accreditation of >>> "Internauta Colombia"? >>> Alejandro Pisanty >>> >>> >>> >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >>> School of Chemistry UNAM >>> University Av >>> 3000. 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >>> >>> >>> + 52-1-5541444475 >>> FROM ABROAD >>> FROM MEXICO >>> SMS +525541444475 +525541444475 >>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn >>>: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty UNAM >>> Join the group on LinkedIn, Http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >>> >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: >> Lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> [Lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alberto Soto >>> [asoto@ibero-americano.org] Sent: wednesday, 24 September >>> 2014 >>> 16:22 >>> >>> To: 'Antonio Gómez Medina'; 'LACRALO Espaol'; 'Humberto Carrasco' >>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Communication on the application of ACUI Of >> Colombia Internauta >>> >>> >>> Dear Antonio, I ask you please put this on the wiki, so >>> To follow the thread thereof. >>> Thank you very much >>> >>> >>> >>> Alberto Soto >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Antonio Gómez Medina [mailto: amedinagomez@gmail.com] Sent: >>> Wednesdays, September 24, 2014 2:32 pm >>> To: LACRALO Espaol; Humberto Carrasco; Alberto Soto >>> Subject: Communication on the application of ACUI Internauta Colombia >>> >>> >>> >>> On September 7 >>> Secretary Lacralo, Humberto Carrasco shipping To the list >>> a message called "[lac-discuss-es] Regional Council Application >>> regarding ALS 209 Internauta Colombia / Regional Advice needed >>> Application ALS 209 Internauta Colombia "which Routed >>> I posted the link >>> https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Internauta+Colombia >>> >>> >>> In the application filed >>> have reviewed the following link Http://internautacolombia.org/web/spip.php?article15 >>> >>> >>> >>> Transcribe >>> the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> Statutes >>> >>> >>> ACTA >>> ASSEMBLY OF CONSTITUTION THE >>> >>> "INTERNAUTA COLOMBIA, COLOMBIA USER ASSOCIATION INTERNET >>> "COLOMBIA >>> City >>> In Bogot, being nine (9) am on gives three (3) >>> Of March, of the year 2014, people gathered to more >>> Below relate to the list of constituents for the purpose of Be the >>> "INTERNAUTA COLOMBIA, COLOMBIAN ASSOCIATION INTERNET USERS >>> "COLOMBIA, jurdica person in the form of Private character >>> association, non-profit. >>> According >>> to the above let me express to the members of Lacralo >>> that the "Colombian Association of Internet Users" is >>> A Registered Trademark by the Colombian Association of Users Internet >>> with ACUI acronym, with the Superintendency of Industry and >>> Commercial, Governmental Entity in Colombia to protect the rights Of >>> >> Consumers. Www.sic.gov.co >>> <http://www.sic.gov.co><http://www.sic.gov.co> >>> The regulations >>> about it, is oriented to avoid utilization Nominations >>> generate competition or confusion between >>> Consumers who purchase a product or service offered by >>> An organization of which they were certain was that of the total confidence. >>> With the purpose >>> to record on the new organizations >>> Wishing to participate in the development of the region, but >>> Unfortunately we can affect, who requested Corresponds >>> for office, take appropriate and necessary measures >>> Related to the use of the mark "Colombian Association of Users >>> Internet >> ". >>> >>> Want to add that: >>> In Colombia >>> entities must comply with a trmites of Regulatory and legal character >>> to be performed rigorously: >>> Register >>> before the Chamber of Commerce in your jurisdiction, i guess >>> Is this particular case must be made in the city CCB Bogot >>> >>> DIAN >>> Registration for tax purposes >>> Unico >>> Get the Tax Registration and NIT >>> Inscription >>> before the respective authority for monitoring and control. >>> With >>> the purpose of tracking application Internauta Colombia >>> several times to ask the Chamber of Commerce Certificate >>> respective Bogotel existence and representation Legal organization and ningn >>> this record does not appear in the Chamber Trade >>> Bogotde the organization Internauta Colombia, the Which is presenting >>> application to be part of the ALS Lacralo >>> accredited. >>> Thank you >>> your comment and I record, >>> With the purpose of building confidence in Lacralo, based on the >>> Respect, it is an essential element of transparency that defend. >>> Regarding >>> application Internauta Colombia, it is for the Corresponding instances >>> evaluate this information to evaluate and Normal trmite >>> give to the request. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> Antonio Gómez Medina >>> >>> President >>> >>> Colombiana >>> Association of Internet Users, ACUI >>> Presidencia@acui.co >>> <mailto:presidencia@acui.co><mailto: Presidencia@acui.co >>> >>> amedinagomez >>> >>> Skype amedinagomez >>> >>> Cell 3118689626 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list Lac-discuss->>> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: Lac-discuss->> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>> Http://www.lacralo.org >>> = >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list Lac-discuss->>> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: Lac-discuss->> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>> Http://www.lacralo.org >>> _______________________________________________ >> Lac-discuss->>'s mailing list Lac-discuss->> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: Lac-discuss->> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> Http://www.lacralo.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lac-discuss->>'s mailing list Lac-discuss->> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> Http://www.lacralo.org >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> * >> * Fatima Cambronero Attorney-Argentina >> >> >> Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 >> Twitter:facambronero Skype >>: fatima.cambronero > > > > -- > *Fatima Cambronero* > Abogada-Argentina > > Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 > Twitter: @facambronero > Skype: fatima.cambronero > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/fa0016384c.html --]]
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