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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
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I don't thi K so. The focus has really NOT been whois but the data itself Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: NA-Discuss <na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:16:53 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- NOTICE: This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.
....well, as I understand it, EPDP II is now focused on getting agreement on what to disclose from the non-public data. I think they settled on the means - adoption and adaption of RDAP to objective - at EPDP I. -Carlton On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 5:38 pm Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
I don't thi K so. The focus has really NOT been whois but the data itself
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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Right. None of which has anything to do with whois Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 5:43:21 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register ....well, as I understand it, EPDP II is now focused on getting agreement on what to disclose from the non-public data. I think they settled on the means - adoption and adaption of RDAP to objective - at EPDP I. -Carlton On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 5:38 pm Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: I don't thi K so. The focus has really NOT been whois but the data itself Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org> ________________________________ From: NA-Discuss <na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:16:53 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- NOTICE: This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.
Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org <mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- NOTICE: This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message immediately.
Mike, all, I am a relatively new member of at-large (through ISOC-NY) and it's nice to meet everyone on this list; I am also a current member of the GNSO IP constituency. Mike, I was intending to ask you a related question after I listened to our presentation. Does the propriety-system that your company is currently working on for potential integration with ICANN's new domain registration data policy (being developed through the ePDP) incorporate the RDAP profile technology? If yes, can you provide some color on this aspect? Thanks! Best regards, Claudio On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:32 PM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
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Hello Claudio, Always glad to see an old face resurface, it has been too long. If you will be in Montreal you should show up at the INTA DNS Abuse event on Sunday where we will be demonstrating the new code base including enhancements to incorporate a Trusted Notifier program. The platform incorporates a number of open protocols in addition to RDAP. In fact we will showcase the initial integration with another open source protocol ID4me for secure sign on and potential future identity management. If you want I would direct you and others to the key note speech I gave at the ID4me Developers Conference in Madrid two weeks ago, see https://id4me.org/event/id4me-summit-2019/ Can you elaborate on what “color” you are looking for with regard to RDAP. The current code base interfaces with several public Registry RDAP services. However, most registries have not yet implemented deferential access based on credentials. Some of the best work in this area has been our Due Process Rules Engine and Steve Crocker’s Barbeque Model. Hope that helps. Best regards, Michael From: claudio di gangi <ipcdigangi@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 3:37 PM To: Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> Cc: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Mike, all, I am a relatively new member of at-large (through ISOC-NY) and it's nice to meet everyone on this list; I am also a current member of the GNSO IP constituency. Mike, I was intending to ask you a related question after I listened to our presentation. Does the propriety-system that your company is currently working on for potential integration with ICANN's new domain registration data policy (being developed through the ePDP) incorporate the RDAP profile technology? If yes, can you provide some color on this aspect? Thanks! Best regards, Claudio On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:32 PM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com <mailto:mike@palage.com> > wrote: Eduardo, It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access. Best regards, Michael From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > On Behalf Of Eduardo Diaz Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists icann. org <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org> >; NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois? -ed On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > wrote: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/ Carlton _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org <mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Mike, Wow, very illuminating and insightful! That's great you are working on integrating all of the various technologies into your system. I will listen to the keynote speech to learn more details about this aspect. (I won't be in Montreal unfortunately, but will be there in spirit with you all). Safe travels, and best wishes for a productive and fruitful meeting. Sounds wonderful. Best regards, Claudio On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:43 PM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Hello Claudio,
Always glad to see an old face resurface, it has been too long.
If you will be in Montreal you should show up at the INTA DNS Abuse event on Sunday where we will be demonstrating the new code base including enhancements to incorporate a Trusted Notifier program.
The platform incorporates a number of open protocols in addition to RDAP. In fact we will showcase the initial integration with another open source protocol ID4me for secure sign on and potential future identity management. If you want I would direct you and others to the key note speech I gave at the ID4me Developers Conference in Madrid two weeks ago, see https://id4me.org/event/id4me-summit-2019/
Can you elaborate on what “color” you are looking for with regard to RDAP. The current code base interfaces with several public Registry RDAP services. However, most registries have not yet implemented deferential access based on credentials. Some of the best work in this area has been our Due Process Rules Engine and Steve Crocker’s Barbeque Model. Hope that helps.
Best regards,
Michael
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Mike, all,
I am a relatively new member of at-large (through ISOC-NY) and it's nice to meet everyone on this list; I am also a current member of the GNSO IP constituency.
Mike, I was intending to ask you a related question after I listened to our presentation.
Does the propriety-system that your company is currently working on for potential integration with ICANN's new domain registration data policy (being developed through the ePDP) incorporate the RDAP profile technology? If yes, can you provide some color on this aspect?
Thanks!
Best regards,
Claudio
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:32 PM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
-ed
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
Carlton
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike@palage.com> wrote:
Eduardo,
It should not. In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for potential solutions for differentiated access.
Best regards,
Michael
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Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
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participants (6)
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Carlton Samuels -
claudio di gangi -
Eduardo Diaz -
Jonathan Zuck -
Michael Palage -
sivasubramanian muthusamy