Re: [lac-discuss-en] Second representative
Sept. 11, 2014
5:54 p.m.
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Second representative From: vanda@uol.com.br I think where there are clear local person in ICANN a function of its work can participate: as a direct representative of the government, as representative interest of an economic agent is an entity for purposes profit or not, as in the example pro GNSO. There is also space Ai APRA intellectual property experts. No discrimination if it is a government agency or is an IPO. On the other side is At Large has the intention to aggravate that seeking the inclusion of the user in Internet issues. To estes must be nonprofit organizations with a focus on defense the interests of users, but not if intended to be governments nin t = visen get gain in activity. So I think I'm more in the line of Fatima. A government agency focada intellectual property has focused on the defense of s \\ the Internet users.I personally and was president of the agency brasilea IP and have certainty that nothing had in account internet users and colleagues that now either ESTN have focused on Internet users. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 On 11/09/14 11:18, "Vera Carlos Quintana" <cveraq@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all: On these issues must be handled pragmtico mode and > Also attached to law. > > One. Many representatives in this and other groups, are professional > To the "voluntary" they find themselves in an input > Professional and additionally receive payment for their work in the aquo > Commissions for projects they undertake, either directly > (Projects, professional salaries, professional fees, etc.) or > Indirect (added value to their own professions).Thus the > "Volunteering" as such exists only working for that > Experience in working groups and committees are compensated > Professionally directly or indirectly. The user interest is > Real but secondary and have almost exclusive dedication to these issues > As it is part of your job or profession. > > 2. Others are direct volunteer ms and not live this either directly > Or indirectly. It is not listed in our currculos "voluntary > ALS "and therefore this activity does not pay us OF ANY way. The > User interest here is primary. In this case our > Participacina often is not as intense, constant or deep as > The first because we must, besides the volunteer time, > Work to survive and volunteering does not add value to what we > We do professionally. > > 3. Law: If any member sb ALS at some point had a > Potential conflict of interest or that analyzed deberser IN > ALS THAT TIME and take decision on whether it continues or delegate > Not their role to that particular situation.That estel substitute > You too. Ie no one may be denied participation for something > Potential for CAN. At a meeting where one member can > Have a conflict and especfico given subject, and declares > Fails to participate or delegates its participaciny is the fact that > Is. > > 4. The argument that an institution be official CAN > Represent a conflict is irrelevant to the delegate actuacin > Per. If a dispute arises at some point it analizarY > THEY tomarn the decision concerned. > > Carlos Vera Quintana > 0988141143 > Sguemecveraq > The >> 11/09/2014, at 8:28, Fatima Cambronero >> <fatimacambronero@gmail.com> I wrote: >> Sergio >>, >> I >> ledo absurd comments but the fact that this beats any Of >> Type >>. >> Working for the government, you are employee or public official, the Government >> pay you the salary every month is directly one Conflict >> Interest >> when to defend the interests of users. The Want >> Justify >> whatever you want to justify. >> Addition in the case of Maritza works for a government agency that Is >> >> Dedicated to intellectual property. Let's take a fictitious example, a X >> domain name hosted by the government of Peru to become Trademark >> to quintereses you think is going to represent and Defend >> INDECOPI >>? >> In the event that a government employee (employee or official) Wants >> >> Represent the interests of users, it is a conflict, acy in >> Anywhere in the world. We have similar situations LACRALO? S >>. We >> mechanisms to decertify these ALS? S. I do not want >> Do something else. In addition >> be important that you carefully read my post.My Preocupacin >> Estdirigida >> to ensure them a proper AUI representacina Per, That s >> Jhonny temporarily >> not be able to exercise that my representaciny >> Comment was directed to seek out another person who has Conflicts >> to ensure their votes within LACRALO. That was the same Conversation I had >> privately with Maritza. Furthermore >> it will be important to inform yourself properly before >> Attacks against my person, which in addition have nothing to do. I >> I >> am not an employee of the National University of Córdoba and government Argentina >> (stenemos in LACRALO government employees Argentina). I >> I will >> teach the Faculty of Law as Professor UNC Invited >>, I do voluntarily without receiving ningn salary or Remuneracin >> or awards or anything. I do it because I like teaching and Because >> as I do in At-Large, is part of the decision that I have taken Of >> Volunteer work >> personal convictions. Asque >> please, focus properly on the issue I have raised and No >> HACS >> do as always, to divert attention on matters not >> Have nothing to do with the substance estconversando. Also >> be nice to see a little more of corporatism when Policies and statements discuss >> That Serams productive for LACRALO. I regret that vote >> AUI Per become nonexistent with the new Representation >> they have chosen. I deeply wish >> to attack to defend rule does not become In >> This thread >> or LACRALO. >> Fatima Cambronero >> >> The >> 11 September 2014 10:06, Sergio Salinas Porto < Presidencia@internauta.org.ar >>> wrote: >> Fatima >>> Dear, I'm sorry to disagree with you. I think >>> you enter into a proper big mistake of a freshly started. One thing to be >>> public officials, and other public be employed. With >>> the criteria many of these marking / companions of the LACRALO >>> Members >>> should be left as it is so, many Desempean >>> >>> Public universities as teachers (not you too?), Or are Employees >>> >>> Of justice, or municipal departments or employees Provincial >>>. Students >>> a pblica college (could get to hang your note Of >>> Vote on >>> what Lacralo?), Etc. Conflict >>> itself is located somewhere public official with deciciones Governmental >>> or not. >>> Have not seen any manifestation yours, even when you proposed For >>> ALAC Member >>> be on your conflict of interest when you persibas Money >>> National government >>> (which is where funds come from education in Argentina >>>) where faculty from the National University of crdoba. >>> To be clear and not bad intemplete: I think that there is no >>> Conflict of interest with respect to you or with respect to Maritza >>>. Hug >>> dear fatima! >>> On Sep 11, 2014 1:16 a.m., "Fatima Cambronero" < Fatimacambronero@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>> Johnny >>>> all / os, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> First let me apologize for the delay in answering this >>>> Thread >>>> Post. I was traveling and hard to follow all the >>>> Conversations. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Then I would like to make two comments on this issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The ability to nominate two contacts per ALS (primary one >>>> With >>>> Voting and a secondary contact without voting rights) are Find >>>> >>>> Force since the very beginning of LACRALO. You can check our Operating Principles >>>> force here, in # 4: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Principios%252 >>>> 0Operativos% 2520de 2520LACRALO%%% 2520la 2520Rev1 2520-%%% 2520.pdf 2520ES? Ve >>>> Rsion = 1 & modificationDate = 1283972736000 & api = v2 >>>> >>>> Link >>>> cut: http://goo.gl/Mrnk8f >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Secondly, for making the request ests Johnny >>>> of >>>> Designate Maritza Agero Miano as secondary contact (so you say >>>> In >>>> Your first paragraph shall mail) or as primary contact with the right to Vote >>>> >>>> (So you say in the second paragraph of your email) Per AUI, would >>>> Manifest a preocupacin about it. Before that, I liked Clarify >>>> >>>> I've had a conversation in private with Maritza this >>>> Subject, Quin >>>> know personally the ICANN Fellowship Program and Course >>>> >>>> ISOC Next Generation Leaders Moderator of which I am the expert, >>>> About whom I have no personal conflict ningn and with whom I Binds >>>> >>>> Even a friendship. >>>> >>>> >>>> Maritza >>>> works for INDECOPI, National Institute for Defense >>>> Competition and Protection of Intellectual Property, which is the >>>> Peruvian government agency responsible for Intellectual Property. Link >>>> >>>> To your website: http://www.indecopi.gob.pe/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Although >>>> INDECOPI deal with the defense of the rights of >>>> Consumers (please corrjanme it if I'm wrong), is ultimately a >>>> Government agency. The Peruvian government is the one paying all >>>> Months her >>>> Salary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My preocupacin is therefore to be the primary contact AUI >>>> Per >>>> voting a person who is employed by the government >>>> Per, >>>> In the event of a conflict between the interests of >>>> Users >>>> Internet (regional, though mostly local) and the government Peruvian >>>> is Maritza will be putting in a situation of conflict >>>> Of >>>> Interest, and shall depart to represent users Internet >>>> >>>> Of Per >>>> and abstain from voting as a delegate of his ALS. In that case, Estaramos >>>> >>>> Becoming nonexistent the representation of the ALS. In my opinion, >>>> Is >>>> May participate in the discussions as secondary contact, but >>>> Time of the vote, with the primary contact, MUST abstain Losing >>>> >>>> The right it all accredited ALS. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Therefore, I would like to ask the Johnny Maritza Possibility >>>> Review this modification >>>> primary contact with voting AUI >>>> Per >>>> to ensure that their participation is truly effective in >>>> LACRALO and At-Large in general, representation of interests >>>> Of >>>> The >>>> Internet end users. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I remain at your disposal to assist you in what is >>>> Within >>>> My chances. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Fatima Cambronero >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On September 2, 2014, 11:37 am, Johnny Laureano <jlaureano@aui.pe> >>>> I wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Alberto, >>>>> In principle >>>>> to congratulate this initiative, it seems very healthy What >>>>> ALS >>>>> delegate or credited to a second representative. In this >>>> Sense Miss >>>>> present. Attorney Maritza Agero Miano as a second PERU AUI >>>>> representative for the purposes of representation to LACRALO >>>> >>>>> And ICANN. >>>>> >>>>> In this sense, in my condition of President and Owner Accredited >>>> >>>>> AUI PERU, by this request is granted the Voting >>>>> credentials in representation of our organization >>>>> In LACRALO. >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate the attention to this. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Johnny Laureano >>>>> >>>>> Pres. AUI PERU >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On September 1, 2014, 14:20, Alberto Soto <alberto@soto.net.ar> >>>>> I wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear, according to our standards every ALS can have two >>>> Representatives. >>>>>> One is who is appointed by it and authorized to >>>>>> Vote >>>> And >>>>> Is >>>>>> To >>>>>> Envan who is the appropriate credentials. >>>>>> >>>>>> But in some organizations, for several reasons the holder may No >>>>>> >>>>>> Be >>>>>> Available at times and you want the other representative >>>> Has the >>>>>> Necessary information. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is why the ALS who wish, may send the name and Mail >>>>> >>>>>> The second representative to add lists of emails >>>>>> LACRALO. >>>>>> >>>>>> Permanecerpara always the designated Voting timely, >>>>>> Up What >>>>> >>>>>> ALS officially report a change. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Alberto Soto >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>>>> Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>>>>> Http://www.lacralo.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>>> Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>>>> Http://www.lacralo.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - * >>>> * Fatima Cambronero Attorney-Argentina >>>> >>>> >>>> Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 >>>> Twitter:facambronero >>>> Skype: fatima.cambronero >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>> Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>>> Http://www.lacralo.org >>>> >> >> >> - * >> * Fatima Cambronero Attorney-Argentina >> >> >> Phone: +54 9351 5282 668 >> Twitter:facambronero Skype >>: fatima.cambronero _______________________________________________ >> Lac-discuss->>'s mailing list Lac-discuss->> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> Http://www.lacralo.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Lac-discuss-en mailing list > Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > Http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/0d3d8a145d.html --]]
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