Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Dear Carlos, this is not an electoral process. The process is the selection by the ALAC of a candidate to sit in the Nominating Committee. The selection will be undertaken by the ALAC. The RALOs can forward the list of candidates they suggest to the ALAC. There is actually no need to make a pre-selection and in fact, a RALO can send a list of more than one candidate to the ALAC. The RALO can send advice on as many or as few candidates to the ALAC as they want, but the final choice is made by the ALAC, not the RALOs. For your information, here is a copy of the by-laws regarding NomCom nominees: Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATES Delegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be: 1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making; 2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN; 3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities; 4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities; 5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and 6. Persons who are able to work and communicate in written and spoken English. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding. Kind regards, Olivier On 04/08/2011 21:13, cveraq@gmail.com wrote :
On yesterday at 16h00 UTC the process was closed after 3 days of voting. In fact I verify this and the web site shows the word CLOSED
After an email from Carlton the process is now open again! No questions asked!
So quick, so bad
Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: presidencia Internauta Argentina <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:09:05 To: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<ocl@gih.com> Reply-To: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Estimates staff members: I am amazed at what I'm reading on a new openness of the electoral process, you could give an explanation about what happens in the election?
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
And Our ALAC Chair could also have made clear ALAC can appoint someone NOT even ON a RALO list or recommended at all by a RALO process WE HAVE done thag before and certainly may again. ALAC is driven by the ByLaw requirements over all other things on this.... Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC Vice Chair On 5 August 2011 09:09, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Dear Carlos,
this is not an electoral process. The process is the selection by the ALAC of a candidate to sit in the Nominating Committee. The selection will be undertaken by the ALAC. The RALOs can forward the list of candidates they suggest to the ALAC. There is actually no need to make a pre-selection and in fact, a RALO can send a list of more than one candidate to the ALAC. The RALO can send advice on as many or as few candidates to the ALAC as they want, but the final choice is made by the ALAC, not the RALOs.
For your information, here is a copy of the by-laws regarding NomCom nominees:
Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATES
Delegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be:
1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making; 2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN; 3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities; 4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities; 5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and 6. Persons who are able to work and communicate in written and spoken English.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 04/08/2011 21:13, cveraq@gmail.com wrote :
On yesterday at 16h00 UTC the process was closed after 3 days of voting. In fact I verify this and the web site shows the word CLOSED
After an email from Carlton the process is now open again! No questions asked!
So quick, so bad
Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: presidencia Internauta Argentina <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:09:05 To: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond< ocl@gih.com> Reply-To: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Estimates staff members: I am amazed at what I'm reading on a new openness of the electoral process, you could give an explanation about what happens in the election?
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
This is another step... not this step.. not this process.. we are talking here about principles... process and fair play.. Carlos 2011/8/4 Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com>
And Our ALAC Chair could also have made clear ALAC can appoint someone NOT even ON a RALO list or recommended at all by a RALO process WE HAVE done thag before and certainly may again. ALAC is driven by the ByLaw requirements over all other things on this....
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC Vice Chair
On 5 August 2011 09:09, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Dear Carlos,
this is not an electoral process. The process is the selection by the ALAC of a candidate to sit in the Nominating Committee. The selection will be undertaken by the ALAC. The RALOs can forward the list of candidates they suggest to the ALAC. There is actually no need to make a pre-selection and in fact, a RALO can send a list of more than one candidate to the ALAC. The RALO can send advice on as many or as few candidates to the ALAC as they want, but the final choice is made by the ALAC, not the RALOs.
For your information, here is a copy of the by-laws regarding NomCom nominees:
Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATES
Delegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be:
1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making; 2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN; 3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities; 4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities; 5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and 6. Persons who are able to work and communicate in written and spoken English.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 04/08/2011 21:13, cveraq@gmail.com wrote :
On yesterday at 16h00 UTC the process was closed after 3 days of voting. In fact I verify this and the web site shows the word CLOSED
After an email from Carlton the process is now open again! No questions asked!
So quick, so bad
Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: presidencia Internauta Argentina <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:09:05 To: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond< ocl@gih.com> Reply-To: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Estimates staff members: I am amazed at what I'm reading on a new openness of the electoral process, you could give an explanation about what happens in the election?
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
Dear Oliver: The email with VOTING credential says: "Dear Carlos, We have opened a poll on the LACRALO delegate to NomCom. To access the Poll and vote CLICK HERE. If the above link does not work copy and paste this link to your browser: https://www.bigpulse.com/rr?rsoBAFdpmy8MNVCn9ekXeBl9Yh8qYGroLQi2nqTueslQIQ The vote will remain open until Wednesday 03 August 2010 at 1600 UTC. After you have submitted your vote online, you should receive an email confirmation. Please inform staff@atlarge.icann.org if you do not receive a confirmation so that we can check whether your vote has been recorded. Also, if you are experiencing technical problems and are unable to vote online, you can send us an email. As long as you send us your votes before the close of the vote, we can add them as paper ballot votes. Thank you. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff" In the poll page it says: Who should LACRALO recommend that the ALAC appoint as the 2012 NomCom representative from the Latin American and Caribbean Region, for a one year term? SO WE ARE VOTING TO SELECT WHO WILL WE RECOMMEND This is what it is.. A VOTING PROCESS TO SELECT WHO WE WILL RECOMMEND... Carlos 2011/8/4 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>
Dear Carlos,
this is not an electoral process. The process is the selection by the ALAC of a candidate to sit in the Nominating Committee. The selection will be undertaken by the ALAC. The RALOs can forward the list of candidates they suggest to the ALAC. There is actually no need to make a pre-selection and in fact, a RALO can send a list of more than one candidate to the ALAC. The RALO can send advice on as many or as few candidates to the ALAC as they want, but the final choice is made by the ALAC, not the RALOs.
For your information, here is a copy of the by-laws regarding NomCom nominees:
Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATES
Delegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be:
1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making; 2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN; 3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities; 4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities; 5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and 6. Persons who are able to work and communicate in written and spoken English.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 04/08/2011 21:13, cveraq@gmail.com wrote :
On yesterday at 16h00 UTC the process was closed after 3 days of voting. In fact I verify this and the web site shows the word CLOSED
After an email from Carlton the process is now open again! No questions asked!
So quick, so bad
Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: presidencia Internauta Argentina <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:09:05 To: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond< ocl@gih.com> Reply-To: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Estimates staff members: I am amazed at what I'm reading on a new openness of the electoral process, you could give an explanation about what happens in the election?
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
Dear Carlos: As Olivier said Bylaws are very clear and precise. doesnt matter what email said. The only rules are bylaws and is needed that you know it. my two cents. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
From: cveraq@gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:17:10 -0500 To: ocl@gih.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; presidencia@internauta.org.ar; staff@atlarge.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Dear Oliver:
The email with VOTING credential says:
"Dear Carlos,
We have opened a poll on the LACRALO delegate to NomCom.
To access the Poll and vote CLICK HERE.
If the above link does not work copy and paste this link to your browser: https://www.bigpulse.com/rr?rsoBAFdpmy8MNVCn9ekXeBl9Yh8qYGroLQi2nqTueslQIQ
The vote will remain open until Wednesday 03 August 2010 at 1600 UTC.
After you have submitted your vote online, you should receive an email confirmation. Please inform staff@atlarge.icann.org if you do not receive a confirmation so that we can check whether your vote has been recorded. Also, if you are experiencing technical problems and are unable to vote online, you can send us an email. As long as you send us your votes before the close of the vote, we can add them as paper ballot votes.
Thank you. Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff"
In the poll page it says:
Who should LACRALO recommend that the ALAC appoint as the 2012 NomCom representative from the Latin American and Caribbean Region, for a one year term?
SO WE ARE VOTING TO SELECT WHO WILL WE RECOMMEND
This is what it is.. A VOTING PROCESS TO SELECT WHO WE WILL RECOMMEND...
Carlos
2011/8/4 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>
Dear Carlos,
this is not an electoral process. The process is the selection by the ALAC of a candidate to sit in the Nominating Committee. The selection will be undertaken by the ALAC. The RALOs can forward the list of candidates they suggest to the ALAC. There is actually no need to make a pre-selection and in fact, a RALO can send a list of more than one candidate to the ALAC. The RALO can send advice on as many or as few candidates to the ALAC as they want, but the final choice is made by the ALAC, not the RALOs.
For your information, here is a copy of the by-laws regarding NomCom nominees:
Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATES
Delegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be:
1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making; 2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN; 3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities; 4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities; 5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and 6. Persons who are able to work and communicate in written and spoken English.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 04/08/2011 21:13, cveraq@gmail.com wrote :
On yesterday at 16h00 UTC the process was closed after 3 days of voting. In fact I verify this and the web site shows the word CLOSED
After an email from Carlton the process is now open again! No questions asked!
So quick, so bad
Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: presidencia Internauta Argentina <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:09:05 To: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond< ocl@gih.com> Reply-To: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Estimates staff members: I am amazed at what I'm reading on a new openness of the electoral process, you could give an explanation about what happens in the election?
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
Maybe if your candidate win would be better for everybody rigth? Legal and legitimate.. Does it sound familiar to you? Hope so Carlos Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 23:22:43 To: <cveraq@gmail.com>; <ocl@gih.com> Cc: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Presidencia Internauta<presidencia@internauta.org.ar>; At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo Dear Carlos: As Olivier said Bylaws are very clear and precise. doesnt matter what email said. The only rules are bylaws and is needed that you know it. my two cents. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
From: cveraq@gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:17:10 -0500 To: ocl@gih.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; presidencia@internauta.org.ar; staff@atlarge.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Dear Oliver:
The email with VOTING credential says:
"Dear Carlos,
We have opened a poll on the LACRALO delegate to NomCom.
To access the Poll and vote CLICK HERE.
If the above link does not work copy and paste this link to your browser: https://www.bigpulse.com/rr?rsoBAFdpmy8MNVCn9ekXeBl9Yh8qYGroLQi2nqTueslQIQ
The vote will remain open until Wednesday 03 August 2010 at 1600 UTC.
After you have submitted your vote online, you should receive an email confirmation. Please inform staff@atlarge.icann.org if you do not receive a confirmation so that we can check whether your vote has been recorded. Also, if you are experiencing technical problems and are unable to vote online, you can send us an email. As long as you send us your votes before the close of the vote, we can add them as paper ballot votes.
Thank you. Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff"
In the poll page it says:
Who should LACRALO recommend that the ALAC appoint as the 2012 NomCom representative from the Latin American and Caribbean Region, for a one year term?
SO WE ARE VOTING TO SELECT WHO WILL WE RECOMMEND
This is what it is.. A VOTING PROCESS TO SELECT WHO WE WILL RECOMMEND...
Carlos
2011/8/4 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>
Dear Carlos,
this is not an electoral process. The process is the selection by the ALAC of a candidate to sit in the Nominating Committee. The selection will be undertaken by the ALAC. The RALOs can forward the list of candidates they suggest to the ALAC. There is actually no need to make a pre-selection and in fact, a RALO can send a list of more than one candidate to the ALAC. The RALO can send advice on as many or as few candidates to the ALAC as they want, but the final choice is made by the ALAC, not the RALOs.
For your information, here is a copy of the by-laws regarding NomCom nominees:
Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATES
Delegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be:
1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making; 2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN; 3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities; 4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities; 5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and 6. Persons who are able to work and communicate in written and spoken English.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 04/08/2011 21:13, cveraq@gmail.com wrote :
On yesterday at 16h00 UTC the process was closed after 3 days of voting. In fact I verify this and the web site shows the word CLOSED
After an email from Carlton the process is now open again! No questions asked!
So quick, so bad
Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: presidencia Internauta Argentina <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:09:05 To: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond< ocl@gih.com> Reply-To: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Estimates staff members: I am amazed at what I'm reading on a new openness of the electoral process, you could give an explanation about what happens in the election?
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
_______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
What or Who is this "Your Candidate" referred to and really you don't even need to answer that so treat it as rhetorical.... However worthy of note is the FACT at this point ALAC does not HAVE any candidate (list exclusive or otherwise that is complete, we have asked Regions for recommendations we will consider what we get when we get it from all the RALO's and then look to appointment from or beyond any list supplied for our consideration in due course => All based on ICANN ByLaw requirements as it needs to be.... Simple as that... Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) On 5 August 2011 09:29, <cveraq@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe if your candidate win would be better for everybody rigth?
Legal and legitimate.. Does it sound familiar to you?
Hope so
Carlos
Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 23:22:43 To: <cveraq@gmail.com>; <ocl@gih.com> Cc: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Presidencia Internauta< presidencia@internauta.org.ar>; At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Dear Carlos: As Olivier said Bylaws are very clear and precise. doesnt matter what email said. The only rules are bylaws and is needed that you know it. my two cents.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
From: cveraq@gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:17:10 -0500 To: ocl@gih.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; presidencia@internauta.org.ar; staff@atlarge.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Dear Oliver:
The email with VOTING credential says:
"Dear Carlos,
We have opened a poll on the LACRALO delegate to NomCom.
To access the Poll and vote CLICK HERE.
If the above link does not work copy and paste this link to your browser:
https://www.bigpulse.com/rr?rsoBAFdpmy8MNVCn9ekXeBl9Yh8qYGroLQi2nqTueslQIQ
The vote will remain open until Wednesday 03 August 2010 at 1600 UTC.
After you have submitted your vote online, you should receive an email confirmation. Please inform staff@atlarge.icann.org if you do not
receive a
confirmation so that we can check whether your vote has been recorded. Also, if you are experiencing technical problems and are unable to vote online, you can send us an email. As long as you send us your votes before the close of the vote, we can add them as paper ballot votes.
Thank you. Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff"
In the poll page it says:
Who should LACRALO recommend that the ALAC appoint as the 2012 NomCom representative from the Latin American and Caribbean Region, for a one year term?
SO WE ARE VOTING TO SELECT WHO WILL WE RECOMMEND
This is what it is.. A VOTING PROCESS TO SELECT WHO WE WILL RECOMMEND...
Carlos
2011/8/4 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>
Dear Carlos,
this is not an electoral process. The process is the selection by the ALAC of a candidate to sit in the Nominating Committee. The selection will be undertaken by the ALAC. The RALOs can forward the list of candidates they suggest to the ALAC. There is actually no need to make a pre-selection and in fact, a RALO can send a list of more than one candidate to the ALAC. The RALO can send advice on as many or as few candidates to the ALAC as they want, but the final choice is made by the ALAC, not the RALOs.
For your information, here is a copy of the by-laws regarding NomCom nominees:
Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATES
Delegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be:
1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making; 2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN; 3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities; 4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities; 5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and 6. Persons who are able to work and communicate in written and spoken English.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 04/08/2011 21:13, cveraq@gmail.com wrote :
On yesterday at 16h00 UTC the process was closed after 3 days of voting. In fact I verify this and the web site shows the word CLOSED
After an email from Carlton the process is now open again! No questions asked!
So quick, so bad
Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: presidencia Internauta Argentina < presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:09:05 To: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond< ocl@gih.com> Reply-To: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Estimates staff members: I am amazed at what I'm reading on a new openness of the electoral process, you could give an explanation about what happens in the election?
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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Again this is not the point. The point is that if we have a process, relevant or not, internal or external, mandatory or not.. It must be fair. I understand it's somebody else choice.. But actually we have a process and it has to conclude even if you are not going to consider it at all... (Because of bylaws) Carlos Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:07:31 To: <cveraq@gmail.com> Cc: carlos dionisio aguirre<carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>; <ocl@gih.com>; <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; Presidencia Internauta<presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo What or Who is this "Your Candidate" referred to and really you don't even need to answer that so treat it as rhetorical.... However worthy of note is the FACT at this point ALAC does not HAVE any candidate (list exclusive or otherwise that is complete, we have asked Regions for recommendations we will consider what we get when we get it from all the RALO's and then look to appointment from or beyond any list supplied for our consideration in due course => All based on ICANN ByLaw requirements as it needs to be.... Simple as that... Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) On 5 August 2011 09:29, <cveraq@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe if your candidate win would be better for everybody rigth?
Legal and legitimate.. Does it sound familiar to you?
Hope so
Carlos
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-----Original Message----- From: carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 23:22:43 To: <cveraq@gmail.com>; <ocl@gih.com> Cc: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Presidencia Internauta< presidencia@internauta.org.ar>; At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Dear Carlos: As Olivier said Bylaws are very clear and precise. doesnt matter what email said. The only rules are bylaws and is needed that you know it. my two cents.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
From: cveraq@gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:17:10 -0500 To: ocl@gih.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; presidencia@internauta.org.ar; staff@atlarge.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Dear Oliver:
The email with VOTING credential says:
"Dear Carlos,
We have opened a poll on the LACRALO delegate to NomCom.
To access the Poll and vote CLICK HERE.
If the above link does not work copy and paste this link to your browser:
https://www.bigpulse.com/rr?rsoBAFdpmy8MNVCn9ekXeBl9Yh8qYGroLQi2nqTueslQIQ
The vote will remain open until Wednesday 03 August 2010 at 1600 UTC.
After you have submitted your vote online, you should receive an email confirmation. Please inform staff@atlarge.icann.org if you do not
receive a
confirmation so that we can check whether your vote has been recorded. Also, if you are experiencing technical problems and are unable to vote online, you can send us an email. As long as you send us your votes before the close of the vote, we can add them as paper ballot votes.
Thank you. Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff"
In the poll page it says:
Who should LACRALO recommend that the ALAC appoint as the 2012 NomCom representative from the Latin American and Caribbean Region, for a one year term?
SO WE ARE VOTING TO SELECT WHO WILL WE RECOMMEND
This is what it is.. A VOTING PROCESS TO SELECT WHO WE WILL RECOMMEND...
Carlos
2011/8/4 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>
Dear Carlos,
this is not an electoral process. The process is the selection by the ALAC of a candidate to sit in the Nominating Committee. The selection will be undertaken by the ALAC. The RALOs can forward the list of candidates they suggest to the ALAC. There is actually no need to make a pre-selection and in fact, a RALO can send a list of more than one candidate to the ALAC. The RALO can send advice on as many or as few candidates to the ALAC as they want, but the final choice is made by the ALAC, not the RALOs.
For your information, here is a copy of the by-laws regarding NomCom nominees:
Section 4. CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE DELEGATES
Delegates to the ICANN Nominating Committee shall be:
1. Accomplished persons of integrity, objectivity, and intelligence, with reputations for sound judgment and open minds, and with experience and competence with collegial large group decision-making; 2. Persons with wide contacts, broad experience in the Internet community, and a commitment to the success of ICANN; 3. Persons whom the selecting body is confident will consult widely and accept input in carrying out their responsibilities; 4. Persons who are neutral and objective, without any fixed personal commitments to particular individuals, organizations, or commercial objectives in carrying out their Nominating Committee responsibilities; 5. Persons with an understanding of ICANN's mission and the potential impact of ICANN's activities on the broader Internet community who are willing to serve as volunteers, without compensation other than the reimbursement of certain expenses; and 6. Persons who are able to work and communicate in written and spoken English.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 04/08/2011 21:13, cveraq@gmail.com wrote :
On yesterday at 16h00 UTC the process was closed after 3 days of voting. In fact I verify this and the web site shows the word CLOSED
After an email from Carlton the process is now open again! No questions asked!
So quick, so bad
Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro
-----Original Message----- From: presidencia Internauta Argentina < presidencia@internauta.org.ar> Sender: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:09:05 To: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>; < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond< ocl@gih.com> Reply-To: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Election NomCom lacralo
Estimates staff members: I am amazed at what I'm reading on a new openness of the electoral process, you could give an explanation about what happens in the election?
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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Dear Carlos, thank you for your kind reply. On 05/08/2011 01:17, Carlos Vera wrote :
In the poll page it says:
Who should LACRALO recommend that the ALAC appoint as the 2012 NomCom representative from the Latin American and Caribbean Region, for a one year term?
SO WE ARE VOTING TO SELECT WHO WILL WE RECOMMEND
This is what it is.. A VOTING PROCESS TO SELECT WHO WE WILL RECOMMEND...
The poll that was undertaken by LACRALO was the region's choice. It is not an ALAC mandated vote, and the ALAC is not bound by its results. How the RALO reaches its choice of suggested candidate is of no concern to the ALAC. The wording of the poll has to do between LACRALO and Staff. It is unfortunate that it might sound like a binding poll because it is not. The ALAC will appoint who it believes best meets the criteria. Kind regards, Olivier
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Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond