[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?elecci=F3n_directa_individual_o_n = =?iso-8859-1?q?o_-_LACRALO_-_punto_sustantivo_para_la_teleconferencia = From: andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com Considered, 2 subjects: In the first place I want to reaffirm what already Sylvia raised in this list on the confusion generated by the teleconferencing (I spoke it in private with those who consulted and hope to have clarified thisconfusion). Respect to the raised thing by Alexander, 2 things: 1) It is a very uncomfortable schedule but I am going to be and I suppose that there will be several people of the region. 2) Comparto totally the arguments of Alexander. In fact, with Jose Ovid, Carlos Aguirre and Dev we discussed it in Seoul and our vision was exactly that. In individual, the 3 first options are those that I consider but serious. And mainly éra. Last the 2, added to the Draft, I would discard them. Warm Greetings, Andrés Piazza

Date: Sun, 6 DEC 2009 19:58:25 +0000 > From: apisan@servidor.unam.mx > To: sylvia@prontocl.com.br > CC: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] individual direct selection or not - LACRALO - point noun for the teleconferencing > > Hello, > > in forecast in which, by trip, it cannot participate in the session of > teleconferencing of this Monday, permítanme to paortar an opinion that I request to them > to transmit. If they agree in addition I invite to them to support it. > > Reviewing the document in > https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?At-Large%20Draft%20Procedure%2... > that talks about the procedures to choose a member of the Council > Director of ICANN from the AT-Large, I notice in line 53 of > table, Option 5, that sets out the option of which all individual that > expresses its interest to do it can emit a vote. > > This has been tried before and unequivocally demonstrated tolead ! to > dehorns. > > a selection cannot be better than its registry of voters. Itdoes not exist > registry of users of Internet, nor of individuals interestedin > AT-Large, nor no other that a registry of the population constitutes > preexisting to the selections. > > Consequently, the selection that we would have ahead would consist not of > to divide the electorate between the different options by which it can > to vote, but in attracting voters, with any argument, to additself to > register and to vote. This is analogous to loq ue has in thehistory of many > paíeses Latin American: caciques/candidatos raising hills by > farmers to take them to the squares with the instruction andcertainty of > that will vote by "the correct" candidate. > > This procedure already presntó in the AT-Large, the selections of the year > 2000. It was called on to me to very follow them close by like part of the Committee of Nominations > (today equivalent to the one of Selection ! of Candidates) andlike member of the Board > of ICANN. The fa! ults der ived from the criterion described inthe paragraph > previous votes by nationality, captures were multiple - corporative, > votes of clubs - and although they did not take to the cancellation of the selection and > competentesy produced at least three valuable directors, showed all > the vulnerabilities of this process. > > Therefore the direct selection in this case, that to many itcan pareccer to us in > principle and by our traditions most democratic, becomes > perversely the most undemocratic option. > > then Reitero my request: > > 1. to who is in favor present of the region I request to transmit the previous one > criterion; > > 2. to those who are convinced of these arguments I request to them to express his > support so that this one also is transmitted in the teleconferencing. > > Warm greeting. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > >! Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > On Sun, 6 DEC 2009, sylvia@prontocl wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 6 DEC 2009 11:42:02 -0200 > > From: "sylvia@prontocl" <sylvia@prontocl.com.br> > > To: ' alberto sotó <asoto@ibero-americano.org>, > > "[ iso-8859-1 ] ' Jose Ovid Salgueiró" <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> > > Cc: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ iso-8859-1 ] HEAD OF CATTLE:INVITATION for TELECONFERENCING > > respect to the process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to > > 0800 U! TC > > > > Wanted Alberto and Jose, > > According to! I under stand this Teleconferencing is for all the thin ones. Subject is not um > > internal of the LACRALO, but that is for all the thin ones. Between all we have > > that to decide which is the best method to choose the future director who > > will represent the ALAC and that will be part of the Board. This director will act and > > will represent all the thin ones and will leave anyone ofthem or until it is not > > necessary that it is part of uma of the thin ones if is that between all we decided > > that the best person to represent to us is not part of a thin one in that > > moment. The possibilities are many... And this teleconferencing is stops > > to give more form him to which one comes discussing sincewe knew on this > > new position approved by the Board, the 27 of August 2009. > > Tenemos to decide on metodolgia, quíenes votarian, etc, etc. > > Fíjense that members of other thin ones already were made similarquestions and > > placed! their positions command post wiki, > > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/wg/engagement-en.htm (although they are command post ingles). > > > > Aqui estan the opinions on the selection process and voting that did > > NARALO and placed it to consideration of all, > > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/wg/engagement-en.htm > > > > is outro Here wiki ocn more doubts, and the staff committed itself to look for > > answers or to direct the doubt to that corresponds. Remember that to weighing > > to be command post ingles, you can write Spanish command post; > > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?questions_about_legal_or_other_issu > > is > > > > and is the requirements necessary here to postulate itself like candidate, according to > > the ICANN laws, > > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?draft_candidate_requirements > > > > Any thing, does not doubt command post to ask to me! I will participate in > > teleconferencing tomo! rrow morning... > > Greetings, > > Sylvia > > _______!

__________________________________________ > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > LACRALO-ALAC Liaison > > Latin America & Regional Caribbean AT-Large Organization > > sylvia@internautabrasil.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Mensagem original > > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] command post nome of alberto > > grove > > Shipment command post: Saturday, 5 of dezembro of 2009 18:57 > > For: ' Jose Ovid Salgueiró; sylvia@internautabrasil.org > > Cc: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Assunto: Re: [ lac-discuss-es]INVITACION for TELECONFERENCING respect to > > process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to0800 UTC > > > > Considered, I have the same restlessness that Jose Ovid Salgueiro, I believe that > > ameritan an aclamation, including a rectification. > > warm Greetings > > > > Dr Alberto Grove > > ! Director IIISI > > > > original -----Mensaje > > Of: lac-discuss-he is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Jose > > Ovid Sent Salgueiro: Saturday, 05 of December of 2009 05:38 p.m. > > For: sylvia@internautabrasil.org > > CC: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-es]INVITACION for TELECONFERENCING respect to > > process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to0800 UTC > > > > Entiendo qie is a world-wide conference but qusiera they clarified two things to me > > if it is possible: > > > > 1. So that a subject which I understand internal of Lacralo must discuss a > > this level 2. Being a subject of the interest of our Thinone it even is in ingles > > and to one hour so inconvenient for the region > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > JOS > > > > the 05/12/09, sylvia@internautabrasil.org <sylvia@internautab! rasil.org> > > wrote: > > > Loved Jose: > > > I! do not know if I have the correct answer for that question, but have > > understood > > > that the teleconferencing will be world-wide, for all the regions... without > > > no type of interpretation... It is why they are possible to be done > > > questions command post wiki command post any language and the staff will be in charge of > > to translate them... > > > Greetings, > > > Sylvia > > > > > > -----Mensagem original > > > Of: Jose Ovid Salgueiro [ mailto:salgueiro.jo@gmail.com] Shipment command post: > > > sixth-feira, 4 of dezembro of 2009 19:23 > > > For: sylvia@internautabrasil.org; > > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Assunto: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] INVITATION for TELECONFERENCING respect > > > of the process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to 0800 > > > UTC > > > > > > I have a question. So that the teleconferencing must bein > > > Engl! ish > > if > > > Latin America is majority as much in ALSs as in I number of users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jose Ovid Salgueiro A. > > > salgueiro.jo@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > original -----Mensaje > > > Of: lac-discuss-he is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of > > > sylvia@internautabrasil.org Sent: Friday, 04 of December of > > > 2009 > > > 01:02 p.m. > > > For: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] INVITATION for TELECONFERENCING respect to > > > process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to 0800 UTC > > > > > > Considered members of LACRALO, > > > Monday that comes (7 of December to the 8UTC), will take place uma > > > teleconferencing to discuss the rough draft on like deberia being > &g! t; process > > > of selection of the new position that h! as been created:the one of um director > > > chosen > > by > > > the ALAC that will be part of the Board and therefore will have right to vote. > > > As they will be able to imagine east Director will be uma very important person > > > stops > > > > > ALAC and for the end users of Internet, of there the importance > > > to choose the person certain to hold this position. > > > Before the meeting of Seul and in the same one already treated east subject and > > reason > > > of this teleconferencing of Monday is for combining opinions since command post > > > May > > of > > > 2010 will be due to choose that new director. > > > the teleconferencing will be command post ingles, but they are all guests to send > > > questions and ideas to the list or its representatives so that of this > > way > > > also can participate. If they want they can participatedirectly > > > using this Link, > >! > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?7_december_2009_community_cal > > > (THEY CAN WRITE SPANISH COMMAND POST THAT THE STAFF WILL BE IN CHARGE TO TRANSLATE IT) > > > > > > For but data enters aqui (command post inlges) > > > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/wg/engagement-en.htm > > > Details of the teleconferencing: > > > > > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?7_december_2009_community_call_at_l > > > arge_director_appointment_process > > > > > > Greetings to all and does not doubt command post to write to me if they have some question! > > > Sylvia > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > LACRALO-ALAC Liaison > > > Latin America & Regional Caribbean AT-Large Organization > > > sylvia@internautabrasil.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Mensagem original > > > ! > Of: alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > ! > > ; [ mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] command post nome of > > > Sent > ICANN AT-Large Staff command post: quarta-feira,2 of dezembro of 2009 > > > > 08:40 > > > > For: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > Cc: Jean-Jacques Subrenat; Mike Silber; jonne.soininen@nsn.com; > > > > George Sadowsky; Tricia Drakes; Raimundo Beca > > > > Assunto: [ ALAC-Announce ] INVITATION: Community Callon AT-Large > > > > Director Appointment Process 07 December 0800 UTC > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > You plows invited to to teleconference on the AT-Large Director > > > > Appointment Process on Monday, 7 December 2009 AT 0800 UTC. Please > > > > find the agenda, participation instructions and background > > > > information on the AT-Large Director appointment process to under: > > > > > > > > https://st.icann.org/! alac-docs/index.cgi?7_december_2009_community_ca > > > > l > > > > l_at_l > > > > arge_director_appointment_process > > > > > > > > ALAC Chair Cheryl Langdon-Orr highlighted the importance of broad > > > > input from all five AT-Large regions to the AT-Large Director > > > > Appointment Process and would like to request regionsto submit to their > > > > input to either > > > > > > > > > > > > * via the regional representatives confirmed ace attending the meeting > > > > * via the Comments section on the meeting page > > > > * via an email to the AT-Large list (cc'ing Cheryl Langdon-Orr and > > > Staff > > > > to make sure to their comments plows recorded > > > > > > > > The members of the Board Structural Improvements Committee and Tricia > > > > Drakes plows also invited to join this discussion. > > > > > &g! t; > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > > &! gt; > > Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella > > > > Gruber-White ICANN AT-Large Staff > > > > > > > > email: staff AT atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ALAC-Announce mailing list > > > > ALAC-Announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-announce_atlarge-lists. > > > > icann.org > > > > > > > > AT-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists > > ! > icann.org > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Jose Ovid Salgueiro A. > > salgueiro.jo@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists > > icann.org > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists > > icann.org > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-disc! uss-es_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > http://www.lacral! o.org > > _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/a3d0ad0ae5.html --]]