Re: [lac-discuss-en] effective mechanisms of participation
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: effective mechanisms of participation From: fatimacambronero@gmail.com Carlos, I answer to you between lines. The 16 of November of 2010 13:51, Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com> he wrote:
Fatima, your reflections seem important to me aqui my commentaries > > 1. We are not speaking of spaces to participate but of motivation it stops > to do it. Two totally different things. >
In agreement with which to the space we have it. Now, as far as the motivation, Wanted Carlos, is like in the same life. I study, work, bathe,me food, because I have in same me, the motivations to do it. No because the people who live with me it are remembering all along and insisting so that she does it. Here he is equal. The motivations stop to participate, they must arise from each one from us, not because other members or representatives of LACRALO are insisting or remembering that we must participate.
2. I participate from the 96 in the international subjects of Internet and > from first reunion pre Icann. Comparti many spaces yet > world and anywhere in the world on these subjects, but for atime, like > many, nonencounter greater reasons for summits and other spaces, and > I think that new motivations are required to continue participating and is in > what I set out to work then all when we contributed we want to see > translated our efforts in realities. >
It enchants to me that you have all the trajectory that tenés. That affluent speech of vos. Although remembering the saying "the important thing is not to arrive,but to stay" (or something similar), and having the capacities that tenés, youwould have to find vos same the motivations to continue participating and to obtain results. I I have all the certainty that podés to make it and even obtain that more people add/sink to the participation.
3. I believe that to develop politicas to promote (to moticar) the participation > always is important. A brief one watched to the interchange of emails of this > same list shows it, when the subject of the little one is permanent > participation and the surprise when it is participated in moments of decisions and > has not before been made it by any cause. >
It seems to me that you are not reading my previous mail completely. I am to you commenting the mechanisms to participate. I am telling the Groups you of Work and invitándote to that you add yourself/sink. To that you arm a Group even stops to foment the participation. Your words sound to complaints and I do not read that you commit yourself concretely with none of these mechanisms to participate.
4. I propose: > > 4,1 Hacer a rise of the information that we have respect to > participation in the diverse spaces to initiate the work to analyze > the causes of (I suppose) the little participation. > > Existe algun way simple to find this information asi is not at level > personal at indicative level by I number of participants by session, event, > etc? > > 4,2 Conducir a mini survey to clarify to us so that the members > participates and so that they do not make it or they let do it. > > 4,3 Establecer mechanisms of compartment of information to assume > commitments of responsible participation. Not always all we can > to participate nor in all the events, sesionres, conferences, etc. Then > of algun way we can share information and experiences that motivate a > others to continue participating. >
To all these things that proponés, podés to make vos same. In the file of the lists, in the Web of ICANN, AT-Large, in wikis, tenés all information available like beginning to work. Podés to invitepeople that it helps you to do it and that they are added in this proposal. To even request that you do not find the Staff, they are for collaborating with us. Me it seems that while we do not assume each one concrete commitments, and only him let us throw the responsibility to others, we are going to follow with the same level of participation and motivation. I understood that if something I did not like, she could express to me. Although it was better if he put to me to work to modify it. That I am doing since they do others members.
Creo reason why I see, that the subject of the participationis I criticize since > single two people attend one reunion important calls the attention.... Then > is not the space to participate the one that makes lackbut > motivation to do it. >
And vos why you did not attend nor formás part of the WG? Theinvitation is made. This Thursday there is a TC on the Baylaws before the monthly TC. You sumás to both?
If few members do not participate they have a problem. If many or > mayoria does not participate all we have a problem. >
Let us begin to revert it then....
My five cents. > > Carlos Side >
Greetings, Fatima Cambronero
the 16 of November of 2010 11:22, Fatima Cambronero < > fatimacambronero@gmail.com > wrote: > > Carlos, > > > > I would like comentarte that the mechanism of participation anticipated in > > LACRALO so that he is effective, implies to participate in the teleconferencings > > monthly, in the lists of discussion, the different Work groups and > > obvious in the votings. > > If vos for two years not participás of a teleconferencing, you have been > > losing the Agenda in which we are working, the consensuses to which > > we are arriving, the instructions that we are giving, theWork groups > > that is armed, the result to which it is arrived. > > Those is the forms that we must to participate and the mechanisms that > > we want to look for so that she is really effective our participation. > > > > In addition, at this moment we are working in the Work group of > > Showcase of Cartagena, in the one of the modification of the Baylw! as of LACRALO, > > is open to Public Commentary several subjects in which also > > we can think and invitations to participate in different WG that although no > > is strictly of LACRALO, also exists the possibility of participating. > > > > In the last teleconferencing of the Work group to deal with the subject > > the Baylaws, lamentably, was single I (and Dev). > > Perhaps > > these work groups was not of your interest, for that reason not you > > you added to no of them. Or perhaps, when not participating in > > monthly teleconferencings or to review only some mails ofthe list, not you > > you are finding out its existence. > > Also a form to improve the participation, is to attend those > > teleconferencings, to participate in some WG and to collaborate with which already one is > > doing. > > > > On the other hand, if to vos it interests to you to love a Work group on > > Participation, sos totally free to do it, and to summon us to the members > > of LACRALO so that we add ourselves. It is within your possibilities, to present/display > > a proposal, ideas, etc. The motivation can arise from vos, towards all > > we. Then thus all we can contribute. > > > > Obvious, I agree with which Jacqueline says. If we understood the idea of > > which we are immersed in a process bottom-up, the! motivations goes a > > to come from we ourself, and we are going away them to let request to ours > > representing. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Fatima Cambronero > > > > > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 09:56, Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com>he wrote: > > > > > Apparently finished the initial reason that he motivates the discussion, that was > > > > > > > > > position on the request of support presented/displayed by several candidates, > > > enfrio the interchange of opinions. > > > > > > I proposed to settle down mechanisms to foment the participation and the subject > > > even is slope to work it, I believe that it must begin with one > > > motivation from our representatives and not to wait forproxima takes from > > > decisions so that a momentaneo interest arises again tomotivate > > > (or > > > to demotivate) the participation of many in these instances. > &g! t; > > > > Reitero which we can contribute in an orga! nized wo rk group stops > > > to motivate > > > the permanent work. > > > > > > Carlos Side > > > ISOC Ecuador > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > * Fátima Cambronero * > > Lawyer-Argentina > > President Ageia Densi > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ > > > >
-- * Fátima Cambronero * Lawyer-Argentina President Ageia Densi http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/86e8f4cee4.html --]]
Absolutely Clear, without doubts . Thanks Carlos Dionisio Aguirre ALAC member by LACRALO - ICANN Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:29:20 +0000 From: fatimacambronero@gmail.com To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] effective mechanisms of participation [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: effective mechanisms of participation From: fatimacambronero@gmail.com Carlos, I answer to you between lines. The 16 of November of 2010 13:51, Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com> he wrote:
Fatima, your reflections seem important to me aqui my commentaries > > 1. We are not speaking of spaces to participate but of motivation it stops > to do it. Two totally different things. >
In agreement with which to the space we have it. Now, as far as the motivation, Wanted Carlos, is like in the same life. I study, work, bathe,me food, because I have in same me, the motivations to do it. No because the people who live with me it are remembering all along and insisting so that she does it. Here he is equal. The motivations stop to participate, they must arise from each one from us, not because other members or representatives of LACRALO are insisting or remembering that we must participate.
2. I participate from the 96 in the international subjects of Internet and > from first reunion pre Icann. Comparti many spaces yet > world and anywhere in the world on these subjects, but for atime, like > many, nonencounter greater reasons for summits and other spaces, and > I think that new motivations are required to continue participating and is in > what I set out to work then all when we contributed we want to see > translated our efforts in realities. >
It enchants to me that you have all the trajectory that tenés. That affluent speech of vos. Although remembering the saying "the important thing is not to arrive,but to stay" (or something similar), and having the capacities that tenés, youwould have to find vos same the motivations to continue participating and to obtain results. I I have all the certainty that podés to make it and even obtain that more people add/sink to the participation.
3. I believe that to develop politicas to promote (to moticar) the participation > always is important. A brief one watched to the interchange of emails of this > same list shows it, when the subject of the little one is permanent > participation and the surprise when it is participated in moments of decisions and > has not before been made it by any cause. >
It seems to me that you are not reading my previous mail completely. I am to you commenting the mechanisms to participate. I am telling the Groups you of Work and invitándote to that you add yourself/sink. To that you arm a Group even stops to foment the participation. Your words sound to complaints and I do not read that you commit yourself concretely with none of these mechanisms to participate.
4. I propose: > > 4,1 Hacer a rise of the information that we have respect to > participation in the diverse spaces to initiate the work to analyze > the causes of (I suppose) the little participation. > > Existe algun way simple to find this information asi is not at level > personal at indicative level by I number of participants by session, event, > etc? > > 4,2 Conducir a mini survey to clarify to us so that the members > participates and so that they do not make it or they let do it. > > 4,3 Establecer mechanisms of compartment of information to assume > commitments of responsible participation. Not always all we can > to participate nor in all the events, sesionres, conferences, etc. Then > of algun way we can share information and experiences that motivate a > others to continue participating. >
To all these things that proponés, podés to make vos same. In the file of the lists, in the Web of ICANN, AT-Large, in wikis, tenés all information available like beginning to work. Podés to invitepeople that it helps you to do it and that they are added in this proposal. To even request that you do not find the Staff, they are for collaborating with us. Me it seems that while we do not assume each one concrete commitments, and only him let us throw the responsibility to others, we are going to follow with the same level of participation and motivation. I understood that if something I did not like, she could express to me. Although it was better if he put to me to work to modify it. That I am doing since they do others members.
Creo reason why I see, that the subject of the participationis I criticize since > single two people attend one reunion important calls the attention.... Then > is not the space to participate the one that makes lackbut > motivation to do it. >
And vos why you did not attend nor formás part of the WG? Theinvitation is made. This Thursday there is a TC on the Baylaws before the monthly TC. You sumás to both?
If few members do not participate they have a problem. If many or > mayoria does not participate all we have a problem. >
Let us begin to revert it then....
My five cents. > > Carlos Side >
Greetings, Fatima Cambronero
the 16 of November of 2010 11:22, Fatima Cambronero < > fatimacambronero@gmail.com > wrote: > > Carlos, > > > > I would like comentarte that the mechanism of participation anticipated in > > LACRALO so that he is effective, implies to participate in the teleconferencings > > monthly, in the lists of discussion, the different Work groups and > > obvious in the votings. > > If vos for two years not participás of a teleconferencing, you have been > > losing the Agenda in which we are working, the consensuses to which > > we are arriving, the instructions that we are giving, theWork groups > > that is armed, the result to which it is arrived. > > Those is the forms that we must to participate and the mechanisms that > > we want to look for so that she is really effective our participation. > > > > In addition, at this moment we are working in the Work group of > > Showcase of Cartagena, in the one of the modification of the Baylw! as of LACRALO, > > is open to Public Commentary several subjects in which also > > we can think and invitations to participate in different WG that although no > > is strictly of LACRALO, also exists the possibility of participating. > > > > In the last teleconferencing of the Work group to deal with the subject > > the Baylaws, lamentably, was single I (and Dev). > > Perhaps > > these work groups was not of your interest, for that reason not you > > you added to no of them. Or perhaps, when not participating in > > monthly teleconferencings or to review only some mails ofthe list, not you > > you are finding out its existence. > > Also a form to improve the participation, is to attend those > > teleconferencings, to participate in some WG and to collaborate with which already one is > > doing. > > > > On the other hand, if to vos it interests to you to love a Work group on > > Participation, sos totally free to do it, and to summon us to the members > > of LACRALO so that we add ourselves. It is within your possibilities, to present/display > > a proposal, ideas, etc. The motivation can arise from vos, towards all > > we. Then thus all we can contribute. > > > > Obvious, I agree with which Jacqueline says. If we understood the idea of > > which we are immersed in a process bottom-up, the! motivations goes a > > to come from we ourself, and we are going away them to let request to ours > > representing. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Fatima Cambronero > > > > > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 09:56, Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com>he wrote: > > > > > Apparently finished the initial reason that he motivates the discussion, that was > > > > > > > > > position on the request of support presented/displayed by several candidates, > > > enfrio the interchange of opinions. > > > > > > I proposed to settle down mechanisms to foment the participation and the subject > > > even is slope to work it, I believe that it must begin with one > > > motivation from our representatives and not to wait forproxima takes from > > > decisions so that a momentaneo interest arises again tomotivate > > > (or > > > to demotivate) the participation of many in these instances. > &g! t; > > > > Reitero which we can contribute in an orga! nized wo rk group stops > > > to motivate > > > the permanent work. > > > > > > Carlos Side > > > ISOC Ecuador > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > * Fátima Cambronero * > > Lawyer-Argentina > > President Ageia Densi > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ > > > >
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