Fwd: ICANN board nixes “closed generics” in next new round of TLDs
Have a look at his last paragraph. Hmm. When is "close enough" to that exclusivity objective good enough, I wonder? Price restrictions and market manipulation are generally not subject to oversight. So maybe AA is onto something here. Making price a barrier to access could pass every test and come out on the other side smelling like a rose. Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= [image: Site logo image] Andrew Allemann posted: "Applicants will not be able to use generic terms exclusively. ICANN's Board of Directors has confirmed that it will not allow so-called "closed generics" in the next round of top level domain name expansion. Closed generics are generic/dictionar" Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News <https://domainnamewire.com> Read on blog <https://domainnamewire.com/2024/01/23/icann-board-nixes-closed-generics-in-n...> or reader <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> ICANN board nixes “closed generics” in next new round of TLDs <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> Andrew Allemann Jan 23 *Applicants will not be able to use generic terms exclusively.* [image: The words "closed generics" with a circle and slash indicating they are banned] ICANN's Board of Directors has confirmed that it will not allow so-called "closed generics" in the next round of top level domain name expansion. Closed generics are generic/dictionary terms that one company wants to own but not offer to the general public. Think Google getting .search and only using it for its own purposes, or Amazon exclusively using .book. These types of TLDs weren't initially forbidden in the 2012 expansion round but were retroactively banned after applications were received. In a January 22 letter, Tripti Sinha, Chair of the ICANN's Board of Directors, confirmed <http://domainnamewire.com?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=b22fd54a9601f6ea...> (pdf) that the board is squashing closed generics in the next round, too. There was a bit of a loophole in the original ban: companies could continue with their applications as open domains but never launch them. That's the case (so far) with .search and .book, which are still sitting on the shelf. The companies can't exclusively use them but can keep them out of the hands of others. If they want to use them exclusively, they could also launch them with very high registration prices to keep other users at bay. I wonder if some current owners of unlaunched generic TLDs were hoping for a retroactive reprieve in the upcoming round. Now that that's off the table, they might launch their domains with high prices. Domain Incite has done an excellent job chronicling <http://domainnamewire.com?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=18b35ba87f17b77e...> the closed generics fight. Comment <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News © 2024. Manage <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> your email settings or unsubscribe.
Well, there's a huge body of scholarship, jurisprudence, precedents in arbitration such as the UDRP, and more, in the study of "confusingly similar" in trademark practice. Guess that's a good place to start answering "whe is 'close enough'?" "Discovering" that incuments will defend themselves and that similarly interested parties will circle the wagons doesn't seem Earth-shattering. So, who among us, or their clients, actually WANTS closed generics? It looks like the public interest is better served by not having them or making them real hard to get. Alejandro Pisanty ________________________________ De: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Enviado: miércoles, 24 de enero de 2024 03:07 p. m. Para: CPWG; LAC-Discuss-en Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] Fwd: ICANN board nixes “closed generics” in next new round of TLDs Have a look at his last paragraph. Hmm. When is "close enough" to that exclusivity objective good enough, I wonder? Price restrictions and market manipulation are generally not subject to oversight. So maybe AA is onto something here. Making price a barrier to access could pass every test and come out on the other side smelling like a rose. Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= [Site logo image] Andrew Allemann posted: "Applicants will not be able to use generic terms exclusively. ICANN's Board of Directors has confirmed that it will not allow so-called "closed generics" in the next round of top level domain name expansion. Closed generics are generic/dictionar" Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News<https://domainnamewire.com> Read on blog<https://domainnamewire.com/2024/01/23/icann-board-nixes-closed-generics-in-n...> or reader<https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> ICANN board nixes “closed generics” in next new round of TLDs<https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> [https://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c3df7215431877c4b1ff57b3d892f200c5200fdb9e96b9...] Andrew Allemann Jan 23 Applicants will not be able to use generic terms exclusively. [The words "closed generics" with a circle and slash indicating they are banned] ICANN's Board of Directors has confirmed that it will not allow so-called "closed generics" in the next round of top level domain name expansion. Closed generics are generic/dictionary terms that one company wants to own but not offer to the general public. Think Google getting .search and only using it for its own purposes, or Amazon exclusively using .book. These types of TLDs weren't initially forbidden in the 2012 expansion round but were retroactively banned after applications were received. In a January 22 letter, Tripti Sinha, Chair of the ICANN's Board of Directors, confirmed<http://domainnamewire.com?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=b22fd54a9601f6ea...> (pdf) that the board is squashing closed generics in the next round, too. There was a bit of a loophole in the original ban: companies could continue with their applications as open domains but never launch them. That's the case (so far) with .search and .book, which are still sitting on the shelf. The companies can't exclusively use them but can keep them out of the hands of others. If they want to use them exclusively, they could also launch them with very high registration prices to keep other users at bay. I wonder if some current owners of unlaunched generic TLDs were hoping for a retroactive reprieve in the upcoming round. Now that that's off the table, they might launch their domains with high prices. Domain Incite has done an excellent job chronicling<http://domainnamewire.com?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=18b35ba87f17b77e...> the closed generics fight. Comment <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News © 2024. Manage<https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> your email settings or unsubscribe. [https://pixel.wp.com/t.gif?has_featured_image=0&subscriber_id=9383696&_ui=19...]
Fancy manoeuvrings and nibbling around the edges, but ultimately still a rich man's playground. Regards Lance Hinds Vice Chair On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 5:08 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
Have a look at his last paragraph.
Hmm. When is "close enough" to that exclusivity objective good enough, I wonder?
Price restrictions and market manipulation are generally not subject to oversight. So maybe AA is onto something here.
Making price a barrier to access could pass every test and come out on the other side smelling like a rose.
Carlton
============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
[image: Site logo image] Andrew Allemann posted: "Applicants will not be able to use generic terms exclusively. ICANN's Board of Directors has confirmed that it will not allow so-called "closed generics" in the next round of top level domain name expansion. Closed generics are generic/dictionar" Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News <https://domainnamewire.com> Read on blog <https://domainnamewire.com/2024/01/23/icann-board-nixes-closed-generics-in-n...> or reader <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> ICANN board nixes “closed generics” in next new round of TLDs <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...>
Andrew Allemann
Jan 23
*Applicants will not be able to use generic terms exclusively.*
[image: The words "closed generics" with a circle and slash indicating they are banned]
ICANN's Board of Directors has confirmed that it will not allow so-called "closed generics" in the next round of top level domain name expansion.
Closed generics are generic/dictionary terms that one company wants to own but not offer to the general public. Think Google getting .search and only using it for its own purposes, or Amazon exclusively using .book.
These types of TLDs weren't initially forbidden in the 2012 expansion round but were retroactively banned after applications were received.
In a January 22 letter, Tripti Sinha, Chair of the ICANN's Board of Directors, confirmed <http://domainnamewire.com?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=b22fd54a9601f6ea...> (pdf) that the board is squashing closed generics in the next round, too.
There was a bit of a loophole in the original ban: companies could continue with their applications as open domains but never launch them. That's the case (so far) with .search and .book, which are still sitting on the shelf. The companies can't exclusively use them but can keep them out of the hands of others.
If they want to use them exclusively, they could also launch them with very high registration prices to keep other users at bay. I wonder if some current owners of unlaunched generic TLDs were hoping for a retroactive reprieve in the upcoming round. Now that that's off the table, they might launch their domains with high prices.
Domain Incite has done an excellent job chronicling <http://domainnamewire.com?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=18b35ba87f17b77e...> the closed generics fight. Comment <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...>
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Interestingly, the new-gTLD proposals that did emerge and get into operations, from our region, were generics (for this purpose it is immaterial whether they were open or closed.) Is our leadership disparaging our constituents? And, before we get into "they were businessmen" let's not forget that many in this constituency not only work in the private sector but are owners of businesses such as software, online services, or consultancies, notwithstanding their OBE nominal non-commercial participation in civil affairs. Alejandro Pisanty ________________________________ De: lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Lance Hinds <brainstreetceo@gmail.com> Enviado: miércoles, 24 de enero de 2024 04:16 p. m. Para: Carlton Samuels CC: LAC-Discuss-en; CPWG Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Fwd: ICANN board nixes “closed generics” in next new round of TLDs Fancy manoeuvrings and nibbling around the edges, but ultimately still a rich man's playground. Regards Lance Hinds Vice Chair On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 5:08 PM Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: Have a look at his last paragraph. Hmm. When is "close enough" to that exclusivity objective good enough, I wonder? Price restrictions and market manipulation are generally not subject to oversight. So maybe AA is onto something here. Making price a barrier to access could pass every test and come out on the other side smelling like a rose. Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= [Site logo image] Andrew Allemann posted: "Applicants will not be able to use generic terms exclusively. ICANN's Board of Directors has confirmed that it will not allow so-called "closed generics" in the next round of top level domain name expansion. Closed generics are generic/dictionar" Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News<https://domainnamewire.com> Read on blog<https://domainnamewire.com/2024/01/23/icann-board-nixes-closed-generics-in-n...> or reader<https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> ICANN board nixes “closed generics” in next new round of TLDs<https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> [https://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c3df7215431877c4b1ff57b3d892f200c5200fdb9e96b9...] Andrew Allemann Jan 23 Applicants will not be able to use generic terms exclusively. [The words "closed generics" with a circle and slash indicating they are banned] ICANN's Board of Directors has confirmed that it will not allow so-called "closed generics" in the next round of top level domain name expansion. Closed generics are generic/dictionary terms that one company wants to own but not offer to the general public. Think Google getting .search and only using it for its own purposes, or Amazon exclusively using .book. These types of TLDs weren't initially forbidden in the 2012 expansion round but were retroactively banned after applications were received. In a January 22 letter, Tripti Sinha, Chair of the ICANN's Board of Directors, confirmed<http://domainnamewire.com?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=b22fd54a9601f6ea...> (pdf) that the board is squashing closed generics in the next round, too. There was a bit of a loophole in the original ban: companies could continue with their applications as open domains but never launch them. That's the case (so far) with .search and .book, which are still sitting on the shelf. The companies can't exclusively use them but can keep them out of the hands of others. If they want to use them exclusively, they could also launch them with very high registration prices to keep other users at bay. I wonder if some current owners of unlaunched generic TLDs were hoping for a retroactive reprieve in the upcoming round. Now that that's off the table, they might launch their domains with high prices. Domain Incite has done an excellent job chronicling<http://domainnamewire.com?action=user_content_redirect&uuid=18b35ba87f17b77e...> the closed generics fight. Comment <https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News © 2024. Manage<https://public-api.wordpress.com/bar/?stat=groovemails-events&bin=wpcom_emai...> your email settings or unsubscribe. 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