[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Respuesta_a_la_Consulta_a_la_Regi? == Iso-8859-1? Q? = F3n_-_Elecciones_ALAC_!? = From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Dear, I differ in some points with the analysis of Humberto: - We are choosing candidate Latinoamrica and Caribbean, and address During the period of gestin undoubtedly is England. - The home does not choose the candidate, is not interpretable, estfijado by standards, in this case, where Educational Institute performed the completed. - We can not compare to the Nomcom choice, with this, are functions different, according to the statutes, and therefore may be eligible Humberto all, and not here. This is a topic to read the functions that must be met in the by hand. Lastly, I suggest you do is pour analysis and opinions, considering that there has been a regulatory observation. And I think is not acceptable, that you are trying to move someone from a secretary, or to manifest the will of the mayoray not in the desks.We are clarifying the regulatory side, since most Sample ignore them. Best Regards Alberto Soto ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Carrasco Posted on: Thursday, August 9, 2012 2:13 pm To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Response to the Consultation to Regin - Elections ALAC! Dear: Aquesta my answer: The problem arises with respect to the following standard: 8. The LACRALO elect two (2) individuals to serve as representatives to the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) in terms that have been specified in the ICANN Bylaws. Only ALS those that have been accredited before votacin, podrn vote in the choice. Each accredited ALS tendrderecho to one vote. The selected representatives must be members of different ALS, must have their principal place of residence in different passes the region, and their nationalities must be different. The tendrna representatives in charge of the responsibilities set in the ICANN bylaws. Then, the problem arises interpretation regarding the expression * Principal residence * referred to that provision. The controversial rule has been interpreted in two ways: a. - The one Seala that the fact be studying in Edinburgh, I have primary residence in Chile. b. - The second, which is my interpretation, which I keep tending Seala principal residence (or domicile), even if a secondary residence, or put another way, I am not domiciled resident in Edinburgh. In my view, this is the correct interpretation of the following arguments: * Interpretation CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT OR UNDER THE LAWS OF ICANN * In any system there regulatory jurdico and higher standards of character and other rules of inferior character. Therefore, the rules of range lower in case of conflict with their interpretation, and having ms a sense, be interpreted as the most consistent with the superior rule. The same happens within the set of rules governing acting the parts of ICANN. There is a higher standard of character, that is, the statutes of ICANN OR BYLAWS in Anglo-Saxon expression and Alluna number of other less hierarchy rules as are our WORKING PRINCIPLES OF LACRALO. In BYLAWS standard exists regarding the issue in paragraph 3 of artculo VI, section 2 of the ICANN Bylaws on the DIRECTORS AND THEIR SELECTION *; CHOICE OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT *: 3.By putting into practice their responsibilities to fill Seats 9 to 15, Supporting Organizations and the Community At-Large debern ensure that the Board of ICANN estcompuesta of members in their geogrfica set display diversity, culture, abilities, experience and perspective in applying the criteria set forth in section 3 of this artculo <http://www.icann.org/es/about/governance/bylaws#VI-3> . In no time two directors elected by a support organization podrn be citizens of the same pitch of passes located in the same Regin geogrfica. For the purposes of this subsection 3 of artculo VI, section 2 of the Statute ICANN, if sb desempearse candidate for the post of Director keep its citizens in more than one step domiciliase for more than five years in a country in which the candidate did not have citizen (Home), that candidate can be considered as belonging to any of these countries and to select in their Declaration of interest ciudadanao the country of domicile under which you want the organization support or the Community At-Large will consider for the purposes of selection. A For purposes of this subsection 3 of artculo VI, section 2 of the Statute of ICANN, a person can only have a "home", which estartbNL> determined by where the applicant has permanent residence and which is the dwelling place. This applies directly to the Community At-Large, and solve the problem enough for the candidate to choose the address under which you will to consider the effects of selection. In any case, there is also an element that is mentioned norm, in the second case means that the home is related to residence permanent. Aquesta the subject my permanent residence is in Chile, not in Edinburgh that is transient. If accepted, the interpretation that takes my principal residence Chile (homeless) will be given the paradox that I may be a Candidate the BOARD of ICANN, the NomCom, but shall not be entitled to ALAC Member. Lastly, there is a similar case regarding the choice of Adam Peake (UK National) who was selected for the NomCom in relacina EURALO although living in Japan temporarily. * ARGUMENT OF CHILEAN CIVIL CODE * The Civil code in your article 59 Seala: Article 59. The home is the residence, accompanied, real or presumably, the minimum to stay in it. It has been said about the home that: The legal domicile is on a part of the area the state.Can be defined as residence in a particular part of territory of the State, accompanied, actual or presumptive, of the minimum of remain. The constituent elements of legal domicile (which be equated to the body and the posesin nimus) are two: residence in a particular part of the territory of the State and the minimum of remain in that residence. The minimum can be real or alleged. The first is the one that has an existence true and effective, the second is that inferred from certain facts or circumstances. The two elements, residence and minimum, are necessary to constitute home. The current residence, however long, is not enough for stbNL> to be home alone, because the person can keep the minimum return to the previous residence. The minimum, by sOnly, neither is sufficient to constitute domicile does not operate an effective change residence. But just enough to keep the minimum address: if leaving the residence with the intention of returning to it, the lack of stay in place, however long, does not lose home.In ahque be said that the minimum is the main element constituent of the home. (Professor Jose Miguel Orrego, Pgina 15 of its notes on personality attributes) The artculo Seala 64 to turn a presumption of residence: Art 64. On the contrary, it is presumed course of the minimum stay and settle in one place, because l opened in store, pharmacy, factory, shop, inn, school or other establishment durable, for manage it in person to accept the fact that place a charge on Concejil, / _ * or regular employment of those who regularly give long time * _ /, and analog inputs for other reasons I have a valid contract with the North Catholic University, so Therefore, I am qualified in that respect. Even the civil code as follows: Article 65. The legal domicile is not changed by the fact that the individual reside long time in another part, voluntarily or forcibly, preserving its family and principal place of business at the address above. As, by judicial decree confined to a particular site, or banished from Similarly outside the Republic, retendrel last residence while in l keep his family and principal place of business. So my home is still Chile, according to sealado. * CHILEAN TAX ARGUMENT. * On this issue, I want to clarify that the rule invoked was not I, and that under which the same service Seala Tax in Chile * Ord. No. 1,583, of 29.07.2008 * in its nmeral 3 states: In relationship to the subject in this analysis has pointed Service (Office No. 3,514 of 14.07.2003) the rules applicable to the DETERMINATION of tax home is set in the civil code regarding the marital home, with some peculiarities arising from the provisions of the Rent Act and the tax code. According to the Civil code artculo 59 of "the home is the residence, accompanied, actually or presumptively, the minimum stay in it. " In this regard, the said Office N 3.514/2003, Seala that the definition foregoing, it follows that the address estconstituido by copular elements, residence and minimum stay in it. At Therefore, the loss of any two elements must bring the loss of the home. However, once formed the home, loss of the residence does not always lead to the home. In this sense, both the Civil code (artculo 65) as the Law on Income Tax (Article 4) to situations in which the loss of the residence does not necessarily involve the home. Indeed, 65 of the code artculo Civil provides that "the marital home do not move because the individual resided long in the other hand, voluntarily or forcibly, preserving his family and the main entry business at the address above. " Two requirements required by this standard copula for lack of residence does not result in the home: the retention of the family and the seat principal place of business at the address above. However, examining the elements that will lead to tax determine the loss of the home According to the provisions of the Civil code the Law on Income Tax, warns that the code meets Civil the premise that the individual does not keep the family and the seat main business in his former home, while for purposes of the Income Tax Law is weighted the lack of qualified residence and the fact that the taxpayer has not kept its main entry business in Chile, without referring to the family factor. It is essential therefore take both bodies consideracin agree to appropriate policy as one of the decisive factors determine the loss of the home in the country, the fact of where the person exercises activity which gets most of their income and where his main interests are settled, ste history that as regards the Income Tax Law is a inherent element to it, considering the character that serves as the Economic merit and that specifically recognizes the set, as already indicated that the mere absence or lack of residence in the country is not causal determined by the loss of the home in Chile about the people who are absent from the country while preserving the main source of business in Chile. Therefore, it is estimated that in the event that a taxpayer who has domiciled in Chile, which has no residence in Chile, according to the provisions of No. 8 of 8 artculo the tax code and, in addition, not retain the seat in Chile's main business has lost its residing in Chile. However, my principal place of business is in Chile. I have employment contract in force in Chile, I pay taxes, I have ally properties respective pay taxes for them. All this, I can prove it with supporting documents and the I can send to anyone with authority to assess this situation, as contain sensitive data. * Argument PRCTICO * In practical terms, my candidature may not prevent me meet as ALAC member. If I can participate in conferences, attending future ICANN meetings, issue reports, ask the members, participate in all activities, I see what the difference being aquo in Chile. Being outside does not stop me talking to my users country, with my companions of association, or conduct teleconferences or other activities that allow me to know and discuss with my fellow on issues that are of major importance in Chile and the LAC region. My home is in Chile, not in the UK. My passport and visa aslo say. My employment contract effective with the Catholic University of the North, confirmed, among many other materials that may contribute. My stay in UK is transient. * TRAVEL TO CHILE * I should add that Chile deberviajar constantly because of my investigation. This not tendrproblemas and regulations cumplircon about me established that the University of Edinburgh: The university may authorize me to be out of Edinburgh to 15 months. View: http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/pg/research/howtoapplyandfrequentlyaskedquestions.as px I can even accompany quotation solicitadaa a travel agent makes A few weeks ago to travel to Chile in the coming months. * In conclusion: I have my main residence in Chile and I can be a candidate so sealado. * Regards On 09/08/2012 1:00, Maple JosFrancisco escribitbNL> > Estimados,

Les escribo en esta oportunidad para participarlos en una situación que se ha dado en las últimas semanas en LACRALO, referente a la situación de Humberto Carrasco como candidato a miembro de ALAC, teniendo su residencia actual en Edimburgo y el posible conflicto con los principios operativos de LACRALO en la regla numero 8 (Citada mas

He recibido mail del Staff de ICANN inclusive, consultando esta situación particular, y varios mails de miembros de la región preocupados y con dudas acerca de las elecciones próximas. Y se ha convertido en un tema que merece la discusión y el conocimiento de la

Antes de enviar este email, tuve oportunidad de hablar personalmente con Humberto y el comparte la idea de debatir entre todos esta situación.

De todas las consultas y charlas que he tenido arme un resumen de las situaciones y preocupaciones generales y las comparto con ustedes para que puedan opinar.

Saludos

José Arce.-

Presidente de LACRALO

*Lugar de residencia de Humberto Carrasco*

Humberto está viviendo en Edimburgo, Escocia, y está estudiando un Doctorado en la Universidad de Edimburgo. Él mismo ha expresado esta situación cuando envió un correo electrónico a la lista de discusión de LACRALO, aceptando la nominación propuesta como representante de LACRALO ante ALAC.

http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es/2012/004678.ht ml

También existen correos electrónicos en la lista de discusión de LACRALO donde él solicita que lo llamen para una teleconferencia de LACRALO, donde brinda un número telefónico de Escocia para recibir la

http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005262.ht ml

Además en la página personal de Facebook, donde cada uno de los usuarios brinda los datos que quiere brindar de manera voluntaria, Humberto ha expresado que vive en Edimburgo, Escocia.

https://www.facebook.com/humberto.carrasco.376

<http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005262.h tml>También en su perfil personal de Facebook, Humberto ha expresado que comenzó sus estudios en la Universidad de Edimburgo en el año 2011. Como es de público conocimiento, estudiar un Doctorado de la rama que fuere, demanda mucho más que un año de estudio, por lo que se infiere que todavía está viviendo en Edimburgo y estudiando su Doctorado en la Universidad de Edimburgo.

https://www.facebook.com/humberto.carrasco.376/info

*Requisitos de residencia para estudiar un Doctorado en la Universidad de Edimburgo (Escocia)*

En el enlace que se acompaña se detallan los requisitos de residencia para estudiar un Doctorado en Edimburgo en el sector de las telecomunicaciones como el que Humberto está realizando.

http://www.drps.ed.ac.uk/08-09/regulations/postgrad.php

Entre esos requisitos contenidos en el punto 4 se exige que los candidatos a PhD deben mantener su *residencia en Edimburgo* *durante el período de estudio* (en Doctorados tienen un mínimo de 3 años de duración) a menos que una licencia de ausencia haya sido permitida. *Se entiende por residencia en Edimburgo: residencia en la ciudad de Edimburgo o en sus inmediaciones, y proximidad del candidato a Edimburgo, para permitir la facilidad de las reuniones cara a cara con sus supervisores y el estudio, dirigido por el supervisor y aprobado por la

Este documento de la Universidad de Edimburgo también establece la posibilidad de residencia en otro lugar para candidatos a PhD para fines de trabajo de campo e investigaciones académicas siempre que no excedan el plazo de 15 meses, aunque debiendo residir al menos durante 9 meses de la duración de su Doctorado en Edimburgo. Para hacer uso de esta posibilidad los candidatos deberán obtener la autorización por escrito del Director de la Facultad y con la exigencia de mantener un contacto regular con su propio supervisor.

Los permisos para razones distintas a trabajos de campo o investigaciones académicas, serán concedidos de manera excepcional por la

*Requisitos para los representantes de LACRALO ante ALAC*

La primera regla a la que debemos acudir es a nuestros Principios Operativos de LACRALO, que tienen contemplada esta situación de manera expresa, taxativa y clara.

En caso de que haya laguna en ese tema en nuestros Principios Operativos, recién ahí se deben recurrir a reglas externas, como las Reglas de Procedimiento de ALAC, y recién luego a los Estatutos de ICANN.

Las Reglas de Procedimiento de ALAC, no tienen nada previsto sobre este tema. Los estatutos de ICANN se refieren a la residencia, pero solo con respecto a los Directores de la Junta y para cumplir con el requisito de la diversidad regional que está contemplada y exigida de manera expresa para poder ser miembros.

*Principios Operativos de LACRALO*

Los Principios Operativos de LACRALO disponen en su principio número 8, primer párrafo referido a los representantes de LACRALO ante ALAC de manera expresa:

“8. La LACRALO elegirá a dos (2) individuos para servir como representantes ante el At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), en los términos que han sido especificados en los estatutos de ICANN. Sólo aquellas ALS que hayan sido acreditadas antes de la votación, podrán votar en la elección. Cada ALS acreditada tendrá derecho a un voto. Los *representantes seleccionados *deben ser miembros de diferentes ALS, *deben tener su lugar de residencia principal en diferentes países de la región*, y sus nacionalidades deben ser distintas. Los representantes tendrán a su cargo las responsabilidades estipuladas en los estatutos del ICANN”.* https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Principios%25 20Operativos%2520de%2520la%2520LACRALO%2520Rev1%2520-%220ES%2520.pdf?v ersion=1&modificationDate=1283972736000 *

*Interpretación de los abogados de ICANN*

Sam Eisner writes =>

**STARTS**

The LACRALO may wish to consider how issues of diversity are discussed in the ICANN Bylaws for the purposes of determining domicile/residency:

For purposes of this sub-section 2 of Article VI, Section 2 of the ICANN Bylaws, if any candidate for director maintains citizenship of more than one country, or has been domiciled for more than five years in a country of which the candidate does not maintain citizenship ("Domicile"), that candidate may be deemed to be from either country and must select in his/her Statement of Interest the country of citizenship or Domicile that he/she wants the Nominating Committee to use for Diversity Calculation purposes. For purposes of this sub- section 2 of Article VI, Section 2 of the ICANN Bylaws, a person can only have one "Domicile," which shall be determined by where the candidate has a permanent residence and place of habitation.

There are considerations of issues of citizenship (which don't seem to be at issue with this candidate) and where he lives. The NomCom requirement sets a 5-year window – which could allow for items such as The LACRALO may wish to consider whether a school's requirement that a matriculant live near the school to further his education equals a requirement that the matriculant no longer maintain any sort of residence elsewhere – and they may wish to discuss this with the candidate before taking a decision on whether the candidacy is viable. Whatever decision is taken, I would recommend getting a full view of the facts from the candidate, and not basing a decision fully on independent internet research.

I don't see in the ALAC ops document that there's any discussion of residency requirements, so I don't see a conflict there.

** ENDS**

En la consulta realizada a los abogados de ICANN, expresan lo expresado arriba. Aunque se olvidan que cuando la situación presentada está contemplada de manera expresa en nuestros estatutos, debemos recurrir en primer lugar, a ellos. Además hacen referencia a las elecciones a cargo del NomCom, que se rigen por reglas diferentes a las de

En este caso, estamos buscando elegir por la región, a un representante de LACRALO ante ALAC. Se tienen que aplicar las reglas que rigen en nuestra región, no las del NomCom. Las del NomCom se aplicarán cuando se elijan candidatos a su cargo, que no es nuestro caso.

Aplicar reglas de extraña jurisdicción afectan la *independencia y autonomía que debe tener un RALO: la posibilidad de dictar por sus propios estatutos y regirse por ellos*.

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*¿Cómo se debe interpretar el requisito de la residencia?*

Legalmente, la residencia implica dos elementos: el *corpus *y el Es decir, encontrarse físicamente en un lugar (con el cuerpo de la persona en dicho lugar, viviendo en determinado lugar) y además dicha persona debe tener la intención, el *animus*, de permanecer allí.

En la documentación acompañada queda demostrado que Humberto Carrasco, vive, reside, tiene su *corpus* en Edimburgo y además que tiene la intención (el *animus*) de permanecer allí, debido a que aún se encuentra estudiando su Doctorado y para finalizarlo deberá continuar viviendo en Edimburgo, tal como se lo exigen los reglamentos de residencia para los Doctorados de la Universidad de Edimburgo.

Además es propio y de la naturaleza de la residencia, que una persona no puede tener dos o más residencia, en distintos lugares y al mismo tiempo, debido principalmente a que una persona sólo dispone de un cuerpo. Es decir, en nuestro caso, Humberto no puede tener su residencia, vivir, en Edimburgo y en Chile, al mismo tiempo.

También vienen en ayuda para determinar la residencia de las personas, generalmente, las legislaciones en materia tributaria de cada país. Porque se entiende como regla general, que todos los ciudadanos tributan en el país en el que viven o tienen su residencia principal. Salvo excepciones, en las que una persona aún viviendo en un determinado país, deberá tributar en otro país, si en el segundo tiene

Si se sostiene que Humberto tiene residencia en Chile, recurrimos a la legislación tributaria de dicho país, especialmente la referida al Impuesto sobre las Rentas provenientes de bienes situados en Chile o de actividades desarrolladas en él, es decir, de fuente chilena.

Para la legislación chilena se entiende entonces por residencia, a los fines tributarios a:

*"Residente", toda persona natural que permanezca en Chile más de seis meses en un año calendario, o más de seis meses en total, dentro de dos años tributarios consecutivos, *

Por lo tanto, debemos preguntarnos, partiendo de que una persona no puede tener dos residencias diferentes y al mismo tiempo, si ser residente en Chile implica estar más de seis meses en el país, y por otro lado, los reglamentos de residencia de la Universidad de Edimburgo, le exigen a Humberto residir en Edimburgo o sus inmediaciones durante el plazo de sus estudios, ¿cómo podría residir al

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*El quid a discutir es (desde mi punto de vista):*

Se incumple el requisito de la residencia que establecen los Principios Operativos de LACRALO *“tener su lugar de residencia principal en diferentes países de la región” por tener Humberto Carrasco actualmente su residencia en Edimburgo?*

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